Do God hate samesex relationships?

[jaye]

I personally believe that God does not hate anyone.

But for some reason people claim that God hates Samesex relationships.

GOD hates sin for what i understand. but being gay isn't a sin beacause gay people are created by God as well.

And God, The creator of heven and earth and all source of life can not or will not hate his own created things.

If God hates you, you'll know it.

 

What do you think?

[hooghie]

It's people that hate gays. I don't know if god exists, but I'm pretty sure that god doesn't exist the way formal organized religions like christianity think it does. AND to these types of religions, it IS a sin to be gay.

[jaye]

It's people that hate gays. I don't know if god exists, but I'm pretty sure that god doesn't exist the way formal organized religions like christianity think it does. AND to these types of religions, it IS a sin to be gay.

I believe in God, But i believe he doesn't hate anyone but devil. and so people shouldn't hate anyone with such believe.

[hooghie]

That is YOUR belief and if you are comfortable with it, keep believing it. Doesn't mean someone else's god has to conform to yours. Some people think whatever you do is ok so long as you go to confession and believe in Jesus, but if you are a really good person, but are gay- you will go to hell.

[HokeyReligions]

I don't think anyone can speak for God. Those who think they are doing so have some very human problems and misconceptions. It's all interpretation and people may speak from their interpretation of what their God has told them -- but take it with a grain of salt

[crazy_grl]

There are many ways to sin. I don't recall any ranking system. My belief is that God doesn't hate gay people any more than he hates a guy who fantasized about sleeping with his neighbor's wife or a little kid who stole a candy bar. That is, he doesn't hate any of them. He understands we're not perfect.

 

I don't think what God feels is the real issue here. Who cares whether some people told you that God hates gays. Let them go on with their lives however they want and you go on with yours. Stop letting yourself get angry about this.

 

Why are you letting this be an issue for you?

[jaye]

That is YOUR belief and if you are comfortable with it, keep believing it. Doesn't mean someone else's god has to conform to yours. Some people think whatever you do is ok so long as you go to confession and believe in Jesus, but if you are a really good person, but are gay- you will go to hell.

I agree with you, thats exactaly what i have in mind. if people go do all the sin but then they go and confess. and they believe ok one more sin and i'll go confess again and it just keeps on.

I never understood the real believe.

[jaye]

There are many ways to sin. I don't recall any ranking system. My belief is that God doesn't hate gay people any more than he hates a guy who fantasized about sleeping with his neighbor's wife or a little kid who stole a candy bar. That is, he doesn't hate any of them. He understands we're not perfect.

 

I don't think what God feels is the real issue here. Who cares whether some people told you that God hates gays. Let them go on with their lives however they want and you go on with yours. Stop letting yourself get angry about this.

 

Why are you letting this be an issue for you?

Right, I don't know why i let people get on my nerds, they make me feel like "

OH, MY GOD. I feel that i'm in the middle of a maze, witha torch in my hand, looking for a way outta this, and can't."

[liono]

I'm a Christian and if somebody told you that God hates Gay people they are really messed up. God doesn't hate anyone. God doesn't like sin. Cheating, lying, KILLING, child abuse/molesting, stealing are sins. Every sin is deplorable in his sight.

[Moose]

......who believe that God does not condone same sex relationships, especially if it involves sex. I think that's what you mean....isn't it?

 

It's clear in scripture, and clear in our physiological makup. Had He meant for men to have sex with men, and women with women, we would all be able to procreate.....

 

That doesn't mean He condems those in same sex realtionships to hell though.

 

Same sex relationships are just a display of humans practicing their own, God given free will......

 

Don't think for one second that God has to like it.......

 

Hokey may say, " It's all interpretation and people may speak from their interpretation of what their God has told them -- but take it with a grain of salt" ( I love you Hoke...you know that....this isn't a personal attack )

 

Others will say, "Believe what you want....it's ok, everyone has the right to believe what and how they want." "God doesn't send anyone to hell, He loves all of His children."

 

To me, that's not the case. God has given us the instruction manual, and just like everything else, society has bent and twisted it to fit the selfish desires of the natural beast within us all.

 

And it won't surprise me if I get all kinds of flack for posting this, that always happens when someone stands up and believes that God does have a set of rules, and it's not all, "up for interpretation"...........

[whichwayisup]

Then there are people like me........

......who believe that God does not condone same sex relationships, especially if it involves sex. I think that's what you mean....isn't it?

 

So, basically without saying it, what I get you're saying is, that you follow what God thinks, and that is and correct me if I'm wrong, you believe that being gay is wrong. God doesn't love those who are gay and lesbian. He only loves straight people? IS this what you're saying? Or am I misunderstanding and interpretting wrong here...

 

It's clear in scripture, and clear in our physiological makup. Had He meant for men to have sex with men, and women with women, we would all be able to procreate.....

 

That doesn't mean He condems those in same sex realtionships to hell though.

 

So, the whole reason why men/women ONLY have sex is to procrate. Not for pleasure, just to make babies...NOT to show affection and love. What about those who can't or don't want children? Should they stop having sex because their goal ISN'T to procreate? Doesn't "condem" them to hell, but he is disappointed? Boy, I am so glad I am not into religion because to me, that is total CULT thinking and very unfair. Gays, lesbians are HUMAN BEINGS and I was under the impression God loves everyone, whether one believes in him or not, or has a different lifestyle.

 

The scripture is one thing, you believe in that - But saying in our physiological makup? Does that mean people who have mental illness, who are born with ADD, retarded, etc., are any different than anybody else? Why does it all come down to who we fall inlove with? Who we go to bed with? Doesn't God want everybody to be happy? TO find happiness with someone they can fully love? WHO cares if he falls inlove with a guy, or if she falls inlove with a woman...LOVE is LOVE. Sex is an expression of love too, not only to make babies.

 

Same sex relationships are just a display of humans practicing their own, God given free will......

 

Don't think for one second that God has to like it.......

 

HOW DO YOU KNOW what he thinks/feels? Did he tell you? My stomach is churning right now because it's very unfair and cruel to believe in such a thing. So a man who is gay, woman a lesbian, both are amazing people, have wonderful careers, a loving family, friends...Are basically told that God doesn't like your behaviour because you're gay/lesbian...Forget the facts the people are good, honest and caring...Do good deeds in life...But because of their sexual preference all of that changes? WTF!

 

Hokey may say, " It's all interpretation and people may speak from their interpretation of what their God has told them -- but take it with a grain of salt" ( I love you Hoke...you know that....this isn't a personal attack )

 

Others will say, "Believe what you want....it's ok, everyone has the right to believe what and how they want." "God doesn't send anyone to hell, He loves all of His children."

 

To me, that's not the case. God has given us the instruction manual, and just like everything else, society has bent and twisted it to fit the selfish desires of the natural beast within us all.

 

So it's selfish to become gay. Uncontrollabe urges to become gay. It isn't following the instruction manual? That's a bunch of bulls***. Sorry, but it is. There were people who were gay in the older centuries, they just kept it quiet. They lied about it. They hid who they were because of fears ... They pretended to be something they weren't...Is that right? Just for the sake of God? In my beliefs, people should be who they are - Be proud and be happy.

 

You're saying too, that this instruction manual - Has our life planned out for us? Is that what you mean too? I don't believe that one bit. We have choices in life, our paths, our life experiences are not planned by God. If I turn left blahblahblah happens...If I turn right blahblah happens. Two different situations, two different experiences. Both could be good, one could be bad, or both be bad. BUT God did not plan out MY instincts or my choice! Or what is inside my heart!

 

And it won't surprise me if I get all kinds of flack for posting this, that always happens when someone stands up and believes that God does have a set of rules, and it's not all, "up for interpretation"...........

 

Yup, and I'm sure many others will post how they feel too.

[whichwayisup]

I personally believe that God does not hate anyone.

But for some reason people claim that God hates Samesex relationships.

GOD hates sin for what i understand. but being gay isn't a sin beacause gay people are created by God as well.

And God, The creator of heven and earth and all source of life can not or will not hate his own created things.

If God hates you, you'll know it.

 

What do you think?

 

I agree with you 100% Jaye.

[crazy_grl]

To me, that's not the case. God has given us the instruction manual, and just like everything else, society has bent and twisted it to fit the selfish desires of the natural beast within us all.

 

Yes, he has, but nowhere in those rules does it say that being gay is worse than having sex before marriage, covetting, or any other sin. Of course God does not condone homosexuality. That's clearly stated (I know some will argue otherwise. I've already had that discussion a few times.) but there is not one single person alive who has never done something He does not condone. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

I don't understand how someone can think God hates another person for their sin but doesn't hate him for his own. In fact, I don't understand how anyone could worship a God they thought hated anyone.

 

And it won't surprise me if I get all kinds of flack for posting this, that always happens when someone stands up and believes that God does have a set of rules, and it's not all, "up for interpretation"...........

 

I do believe that there is one set of rules, and I don't think they're open to interpretation. I do however think that people should be allowed to act under their own free will and if they chose another religion or another interpretation, that is their choice. And in the interpretation I believe is correct, God is the only one who can say whether or not someone is going to hell. He didn't give us that information, because it's not our decision to make. He only gave us a guide for how we can be close to him ourselves and guide others to Him as well, not one to judge others by.

[jaye]

Moose if you're saying i'm going to hell for being Bisexual, then unless God came to you and said "MOOSE here is the list of people going to hell." I don't believe you.

And somehow if i did ended up there, you'll be with me buddy. cus you ain't going anywhere else, for making such a statement about GOD.

And one last Question to you moose.

You haven't seen God, Have you?

If you didn't, then why do you believe in him.

I Believe in him but i didn't make such statement.

[crazy_grl]

Jaye, are you looking for understanding and discussion or are you just looking to pick a fight??

[jaye]

Jaye, are you looking for understanding and discussion or are you just looking to pick a fight??

again?

No i am not fighting, you have to understand. its touchy for me atleast.

[Pyro]

From what I was taught, what i believe, and what my faith is, I believe that God does not hate anyone. We have been given the ability to choose whatever path that we want to follow. I believe that our mission in life is to be the best person that we can be while living on earth. When it is time for judgement, which is ONLY God's job and not anyone else's, then you will get your answer if God really does like same sex relationships or not.

[augur]

A lot of gods have no issue with this matter – Heck

Loki would screw just about anything and let us not

forget those Greek and Roman gods .

 

However, since I assume this has to do with the whole

Judeo-Christian belief system.

 

Any Christian will give you some sort of response

against same-sex relationships. Their scriptures and

theology considers it a sin. Some sects have more

tolerance towards same-sex relations then others.

 

My basic interpretation of their view on the god thing

would be as follows;

 

-YHVH in the Old Testament seems to hate sin and

sinners – not to mention does not seem to have any

use for any race outside of the Hebrews.

-The Christ, an other aspect of YHVH does the “dieing

for the sins of humanity” this, thus offering forgiveness

of sins.

-The Spirit opens the heart of YHVH to all of humanity.

 

As such - Their god hates the sin but not the sinners per say

(Catholics and Protestants offer differing views in regards

how this works).

 

Had a Zealot started a topic saying “God Hates Homosexuals”

I would post a very different response. This was not the case.

[lindya]

God has given us the instruction manual, and just like everything else, society has bent and twisted it to fit the selfish desires of the natural beast within us all.

 

And it won't surprise me if I get all kinds of flack for posting this, that always happens when someone stands up and believes that God does have a set of rules, and it's not all, "up for interpretation"

 

I think these are extremely fair points, Moose, and all part of the reason (aside from sinful sloth, of course) that I only set foot in a church at weddings, christening and funerals. Or if I'm visiting another city and one of its places of worship has a spectacular interior that's worth a look.

 

Every time I hear someone preach to society of the many ways in which each of us sins every day, it reminds me not to go to church next Sunday. Whenever I hear someone who is gay or bisexual angsting about being "bad" - or, as Jaye appears to be doing here, inviting the religious right to criticise his lifestyle - that's another £1 of mine that won't be going into a church collection box.

 

Developing, refining and constantly reviewing a personal belief system is, for many people (particularly intellectuals) one of the main reasons for existing. Some of that belief system may well be influenced by religious teachings, but it's hard to see how anyone could debate any subject in a stimulating manner if they were going to accept the bible's perspective as the final word on every matter.

 

There are many aspects of Christianity that sit well with my own personal beliefs...but nonetheless I just can't regard the bible as being the definitive guide to being a good person. As far as I can see, it's little more than an increasingly weakening instrument of social control that's been wielded for far too long by people who mistakenly believe they have the monopoly on ethics and humanitarianism.

[Mz. Pixie]

God loves all people, gay or straight. He may not always agree with our choices but He loves us just the same.

[Moose]

WWIU......

God doesn't love those who are gay and lesbian. He only loves straight people? IS this what you're saying? Or am I misunderstanding and interpretting wrong here...

I believe that God does indeed love everyone. He doesn't love the sin we, ALL, live in though. AND, I also believe there is no sin greater than the next.

So, the whole reason why men/women ONLY have sex is to procrate. Not for pleasure, just to make babies...NOT to show affection and love.

No, God wants us to have a healthy, pleasurable sex life, but with our spouses only. And it's clear, (to me at least), that sex is between a man and a woman.

Doesn't "condem" them to hell, but he is disappointed? Boy, I am so glad I am not into religion because to me, that is total CULT thinking and very unfair.

If you think God is all forgiving, and never mad or upset....or doesn't have standards.....that's your problem. Even the secular, "gods", have a certain set of rules and guides to follow to achieve, "enlightenment".

The scripture is one thing, you believe in that - But

Do you see what you did here......the key word is, "But". You cancelled out my beliefs. And that's your right. Again, if you don't understand that only a male and female can procreate.....that's your problem.

HOW DO YOU KNOW what he thinks/feels? Did he tell you?

Yes, as a matter of fact, HE did. He provided His thoughts and feelings in the Bible for all of us.....I'm not special or have a connection that noone else has access to.

So a man who is gay, woman a lesbian, both are amazing people, have wonderful careers, a loving family, friends...Are basically told that God doesn't like your behaviour because you're gay/lesbian...Forget the facts the people are good, honest and caring...Do good deeds in life...But because of their sexual preference all of that changes? WTF!

Sin is sin. Unless you confess, and allow Christ to be your personal Saviour, it doesn't matter how good of a person you are......you're dirty and need cleansed. Not just gays and lesbians. Your problem is you're generalizing. Yes there is scripture that deal specifically with homosexuality, you can't seperate it as it's own catagory. It's still sin.

 

As for the rest of your post, you blab on about me, me, me....it's all about me. And that's where I'll end my response to your post.....cause when someone is that self absorbed, it's like talking to a brick wall.

[Moose]

Yes, he has, but nowhere in those rules does it say that being gay is worse than having sex before marriage, covetting, or any other sin. Of course God does not condone homosexuality. That's clearly stated (I know some will argue otherwise. I've already had that discussion a few times.) but there is not one single person alive who has never done something He does not condone. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

 

I don't understand how someone can think God hates another person for their sin but doesn't hate him for his own. In fact, I don't understand how anyone could worship a God they thought hated anyone.

Noone said God hates homosexuality any more or less than any other sin. I believe God hates all sin. Regardless what magnitude man assigns to it.

And in the interpretation I believe is correct, God is the only one who can say whether or not someone is going to hell. He didn't give us that information, because it's not our decision to make.

Oh.....yes HE did! Dig into the scriptures and you'lll find it just about everywhere......

[Moose]

Moose if you're saying i'm going to hell for being Bisexual, then unless God came to you and said "MOOSE here is the list of people going to hell." I don't believe you.

Not saying that Jaye. I believe that once you accept Christ as your personal Saviour, all of your sins are forgiven. That's the ONLY way in. It's clear as a bell in Scripture. And actually, there is a list. There's an entire book with names of those who will have eternal life.....you obviously haven't read a copy of the Bible throughout.

And somehow if i did ended up there, you'll be with me buddy. cus you ain't going anywhere else, for making such a statement about GOD.

And one last Question to you moose.

You haven't seen God, Have you?

If you didn't, then why do you believe in him.

I Believe in him but i didn't make such statement.

I'll let that slide right off me. No man can pluck me from His hand. Not even you mighty Jaye......

[Blackfrost]

You haven't seen God, Have you?

If you didn't, then why do you believe in him.

I Believe in him but i didn't make such statement.

 

Relax Jaye, God is a subjective topic. No side - either scientific or religious can prove otherwise. Hence why we created the word faith.

[Outcast]

Any Christian will give you some sort of response against same-sex relationships

 

I'm sorry but that is untrue. Most Evangelicals and many members of other sects might, but the definition of 'Christian' is a person who believes in Christ and that includes all members of all religions and sects that preach Christ as the saviour from Episcopalians to Baptists to Catholics to Orthodox faiths and the rest of the tens of thousands of Christian sects. And certainly not all of them believe that homosexuality is a sin.

 

God is love.