Do God hate samesex relationships?

[basscatcher]

I read an article about this awhile back and I can't find it now. But its statement was:

 

God loves all sinners but he hates the sin. Just because you sin against him doesn't mean he hates you. He loves you more then anyone or anything. That will never change. Nothing you can do will stop God's love pouring out for all of us.

 

Loving someone the same sex is not a sin. It is the action taken with the same sex that is the sin. We all want to be phsycially close to those we love. There is a fine line when it comes to sexual intimacy.

 

No matter if your are attracted to the same sex or opposite sex wrongful use of sex is wrong in God's eyes. The bible teaches about homosexuality and that it is wrong to act out on it. Just as it is wrong to act out your sexual desires with the opposite sex if you are not married to them. Sex was intended for procreation and shouldn't be abused. The pleasure we get from sex is apart of the reward of procreating for God kingdom. It was not intended for our selfish pleasures. Too much of a good thing can make you sick..

 

Just because we like apples because they taste good and are good for us doesnt mean we can eat and eat and eat and eat. If we eat to many they will make us sick.

Just like sex, if it is used incorrectly it will hurt us.

 

God loves all people no matter who we are, no matter what we do, no matter what we have done. no matter what we will do. We cannot stop Gods love for us no matter what. His love is unconditional. Always for eternity.

[whichwayisup]

Loving someone the same sex is not a sin. It is the action taken with the same sex that is the sin. We all want to be phsycially close to those we love. There is a fine line when it comes to sexual intimacy.

 

That is so unfair though! I know it is what it says in the Bible, but it really is judgemental and showing how one loves another between the sheets, man/man, woman/woman shouldn't be a fine line. It's okay for them to emotionally love, but not physically?? My mind can't wrap around that. I don't believe it's a sin.

 

Jaye, I hope you believe in yourself because at the end of the day, that is what counts. What you think and what feels right to you.

[Outcast]

Go read Leviticus, pada. Eating shrimp is a sin according to Leviticus. So is consorting with women when they're having their periods. So is eating pork. All are 'abominations' in God's eyes. So we'll very kindly tolerate your existence because you eat your shrimp and pork rinds if you like, while making sure you know that you are an 'abomination'. Or maybe you can understand that certain sections of the Bible have been misinterpreted by people to further their own prejudices.

[Moose]

Go read Leviticus, pada. Eating shrimp is a sin according to Leviticus. So is consorting with women when they're having their periods. So is eating pork. All are 'abominations' in God's eyes. So we'll very kindly tolerate your existence because you eat your shrimp and pork rinds if you like, while making sure you know that you are an 'abomination'. Or maybe you can understand that certain sections of the Bible have been misinterpreted by people to further their own prejudices.

Here we go again with the Old Testament....... She doesn't need to read anything Outcast. Those laws were put to rest by Christ....how about you go read the NEW Testament?????

[basscatcher]

I'm only speaking out of what I have been taught and out of my opinion.

I mean no insults or injury for my statement.

I have friends who are gay/lesbian. They are great people.

My beliefs do not make me judge the person as to whether or not I accept them as my friends as people I love and care about.

 

Please do not attack me. I am only speaking MHO as does everyone.

I am firm in my beliefs but I don't force anyone to beleive as I do.

[Outcast]

Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, Moose. Paul did and only Paul did. And Paul also said other things which you conveniently ignore, like that women should not teach or wear gold. So give it up, dude. Jesus preached love and forgiveness, not hating gays.

[augur]

Outcast - You bring up a good point and I should have

stated "Most "Christians"". One that *only* follows the

words of Christ and sees the old testement (Lev as you

pointed out and the words of Paul as some form of

organic commentary that must adapt to the world in an

evolving sense may see things this way.

[Moose]

Jesus said nothing about homosexuality, Moose.

That doesn't mean He accepts it. Not by any stretch of the imagination. AND, it's dangerous to assume He does.

And Paul also said other things which you conveniently ignore, like that women should not teach or wear gold.

You're assuming again. I don't ignore the teachings of Paul. I've accepted the fact that noone is perfect, and noone can follow the laws put forth to the letter.....that's the reason God sent Christ.

So give it up, dude.

Never.....dude.

Jesus preached love and forgiveness, not hating gays.

Challenge: Show me ANYWHERE where ANYONE on here said they hate gays........maybe you should give it up.......dude.

[d'Arthez]

Jesus also did not say about sticking toenails in the eyesockets of our children. We can imagine that that is something he would not teach, can't we?

[augur]

2 more cents...

 

I do not follow the Christian faith and have not

for a very long time (another subject). I do not

have many Christian friends any more out of respect

for them and my own self-respect. Of the few

that I do have, I know that I am a sinner in

their eyes and they are sinners in their own eyes.

I also know they love me as a human being and

they do not push their belief system upon

me. I do not try and push my belief system on them

either.

 

I can see that many are taking issue with Moose and Pada

for speaking their mind in regards to their belief systems.

I do not see either as trying to push that system on

anyone here. I respect them for having the guts to

put themselves into the fire like this as they have

added to a potential discussion by offering their POVs.

 

This topic seems to have been started as an inquiry

into the minds of folks here, not as a statement that

homosexuality IS wrong. Again, in that case my

responses would take another path.

[basscatcher]

I can see that many are taking issue with Moose and Pada

for speaking their mind in regards to their belief systems.

I do not see either as trying to push that system on

anyone here. I respect them for having the guts to

put themselves into the fire like this as they have

added to a potential discussion by offering their POVs.

 

thank you augur.

I speak my 2 cents and then leave it alone.

 

Barking dogs will eventually get beaten or kicked. Even when there is a burglar lerking and you don't see him/her. You will get robbed eventually and realize why the dog was barking.

[Mz. Pixie]

It's the sin that He hates and He doesn't put one sin above another. For instance, I've commited adultery in the past. Do I try to lie to myself and say that the adultery wasn't a sin just because I've done it and feel guilty about it?? No, it was a sin in God's eyes and so I'm guilty.

[jaye]

WWIU......I believe that God does indeed love everyone. He doesn't love the sin we, ALL, live in though. AND, I also believe there is no sin greater than the next.

That wasn't something you said before.

 

No, God wants us to have a healthy, pleasurable sex life, but with our spouses only. And it's clear, (to me at least), that sex is between a man and a woman.If you think God is all forgiving, and never mad or upset....or doesn't have standards.....that's your problem.

If i was to say, Thats' your problem. doesn't really solve the problem.

 

Even the secular, "gods", have a certain set of rules and guides to follow to achieve, "enlightenment". Do you see what you did here......the key word is, "But". You cancelled out my beliefs. And that's your right. Again, if you don't understand that only a male and female can procreate.....that's your problem.Yes, as a matter of fact, HE did. He provided His thoughts and feelings in the Bible for all of us.....

When did you ran into God?, i'm looking for him for many years couldn't find him.

And the bible, is that "THE Bible" you are talking about or the modified versions by people, Not God.

 

I'm not special or have a connection that noone else has access to.Sin is sin. Unless you confess, and allow Christ to be your personal Saviour, it doesn't matter how good of a person you are......you're dirty and need cleansed. Not just gays and lesbians. Your problem is you're generalizing. Yes there is scripture that deal specifically with homosexuality, you can't seperate it as it's own catagory. It's still sin.

Yes and most people do confess and commit another sin then go confess again and again and again. is that right to do?

 

As for the rest of your post, you blab on about me, me, me....it's all about me. And that's where I'll end my response to your post.....cause when someone is that self absorbed, it's like talking to a brick wall.

You just said you are not special or anything, if you are right then you should speakup for it. Jesus didn't give up, why are you doin it?

 

But again, Everyone is allowed to say their openion. i feel empty. i wanna know more but one place, The Church, whatever kind. i'm not allowed there.

 

Problem ends if i was to hide the real me and lie in a church, i'm all good to go. but why should i lie, why should anyone lie about what they are, and just to be in a church?

I feel sorry for myself and feel pitty for you and gatekeepers.

[Mz. Pixie]

Jaye-

 

There are progressive churches in large cities that more than welcome people with alternative lifestyles- gays and lesbians and bi's. My best friend in the whole world is a gay female and she attends church with her partner where they are accepted. Ask around in your circle and see what you come up with- you may be surprised.

[Moose]

That wasn't something you said before.

Don't just claim something without backing it up Jaye.....that's annoying.

If i was to say, Thats' your problem. doesn't really solve the problem.

But it does place the responsibilty to resolve it on my shoulders. That's why I said that.

When did you ran into God?, i'm looking for him for many years couldn't find him.

Stop looking with your eyes then.

And the bible, is that "THE Bible" you are talking about or the modified versions by people, Not God.

The words may have been modified, not the actual meaning or premise.

Yes and most people do confess and commit another sin then go confess again and again and again. is that right to do?

No, it's not right. To err is to human. Meaning we are sinful by nature.

You just said you are not special or anything, if you are right then you should speakup for it. Jesus didn't give up, why are you doin it?

WWIU and I have spoken to each other after that post was written. We dealt with each other another way.

But again, Everyone is allowed to say their openion. i feel empty. i wanna know more but one place, The Church, whatever kind. i'm not allowed there.

Jaye, you ARE to allowed in Church.

Problem ends if i was to hide the real me and lie in a church, i'm all good to go. but why should i lie, why should anyone lie about what they are, and just to be in a church?

I don't lie about my sins. Many people that I know don't lie about their sins. You shouldn't have to either.

I feel sorry for myself and feel pitty for you and gatekeepers.

You don't need to feel pity for me Jaye. Or the gate keepers. We already know what we've gotten ourselves into. We are the ones who hope and pray folk like you will see where we are coming from.......

[jaye]

I can see that many are taking issue with Moose and Pada

for speaking their mind in regards to their belief systems.

I do not see either as trying to push that system on

anyone here. I respect them for having the guts to

put themselves into the fire like this as they have

added to a potential discussion by offering their POVs.

 

This topic seems to have been started as an inquiry

into the minds of folks here, not as a statement that

homosexuality IS wrong. Again, in that case my

responses would take another path.

augar i don't know much about moose but i do know a little about pada and i have lot of respect for her for her past entries she has backed me up many times i'm not good in conversation's anyone will tell you that but purpose of this post wasn't to have issues with eachother but like i said i wanna learn more about whats right and wrong.

i already said that i feel in a middle of a maze (everyone claiming their bible is right) with a torch in my hand looking for a way out.(which one should i go and how).

I apologize if i had said something that might've offended anyone.

[Moose]

augar i don't know much about moose but i do know a little about pada and i have lot of respect for her for her past entries she has backed me up many times i'm not good in conversation's anyone will tell you that but purpose of this post wasn't to have issues with eachother but like i said i wanna learn more about whats right and wrong.

i already said that i feel in a middle of a maze (everyone claiming their bible is right) with a torch in my hand looking for a way out.(which one should i go and how).

I apologize if i had said something that might've offended anyone.

Jaye, then listen for a second. Your original question was, "Does God hate same sex relationships".

 

The answer, in my eyes, is He hates that sin.

 

He also hates the sin stealing, lying, cheating...and so forth.

 

There is no sin greater than the next. We all sin, it's our nature.

 

Don't place yourself in a spot by yourself Jaye. You are not worse off than me or anyone else. And you deserve to have the same saving grace as the next guy or gal.

 

Does that make sense to you?

[basscatcher]

Jaye, then listen for a second. Your original question was, "Does God hate same sex relationships".

 

The answer, in my eyes, is He hates that sin.

 

He also hates the sin stealing, lying, cheating...and so forth.

 

There is no sin greater than the next. We all sin, it's our nature.

 

Don't place yourself in a spot by yourself Jaye. You are not worse off than me or anyone else. And you deserve to have the same saving grace as the next guy or gal.

 

Does that make sense to you?

 

This makes much sense... I agree wholeheartly.. Never think you are alone. None of us are alone in our struggles.

[jaye]

Its better moose all i needed was a simple answer from everybody.

[augur]

RE: post 41

 

Having read your posts in the past, Jaye, I know you to be sincere

in this regard. The maze in which you reside tends to be a tough

one. I am glad that you asked this question and hope it can guild

you to inner peace in regards to yourself in this area of your life.

 

In regards to any posts that I make in a religious topic,

it has taken me years to accept the good of my upbringing

and various parts of “Christian Doctrine” due to pain I went

through while I was "losing my religion" (I don't want to drift

too far here so I will leave it at that for now but would have

no issue answering any questions in another topic).

[augur]

Jaye, I don't want to step over any boundaries, but

what specific faith do you practice? I just realized

that I may be assuming incorrectly here.

[jaye]

First of all thank you for your earlier post.

All i will say is that i only pray to God, "The God of Abraham and Moses". i won't wanna go in more details because then there is going to be a big mess on LS.

My believes maynot depend on the title of a religion

[augur]

Understood, Jaye .

[TUDOR]

Jaye, lets assume for a second you did believe that your God or any other represented here did think same sex relationships where wrong, bad, sinful, what have you.....would this change your lifestyle? Do you force yourself to be something you are not because religion says your are wrong? I'm not sure if you are looking for validation for you lifestyle choice but I'm guessing no matter the responses you get you will be who you are so why ask?

 

Don't take this out of context either. My sister is gay and I love her and support her choices. I am a firm believer in live and let live. But I do know that is easier to be supportive of someone when you can see they are confident of their choices and actions.

[garner]

I do know that is easier to be supportive of someone when you can see they are confident of their choices and actions.

 

I agree with that. Simple and insightful.

 

Hesitancy and uncertainty can be like magnets to domineering characters who want to influence you with their concrete thoughts and views. I appreciated what someone said about constantly refining and assessing your own personal belief system. Sadly, the dogmatic masses who view everything in black and white terms will usually bulldoze over the mental agility of those who are open to questioning and (where experience or intellectual discovery demands it) revising their own behaviour, beliefs and desires.