Do God hate samesex relationships?

[Nicholas]

Sexual identity was not a concept of biblical times.

 

Thank you. Case closed.

[newbby]

have we seen any filmcasstes of jesus kissing a man?

 

thats because jesus wasnt gay.

[newbby]

this is a beautiful post, amerikajin.

 

jaye, if you're still reading, please try not to be confused. i know that's tough, but try.

 

god loves you, and wants you to be the truest jaye you can be. that is how you honour him, by being the man he created you to be.

 

no-one here can truthfully tell you who to be, or which set of rules to follow. everything we know about god, or think we know, every book, every scripture, every biblical lesson, has been interpreted by humans as the way they think best describes god and his wishes. we can be pretty sure god never put pen to paper. at least not in this world.

 

there is no black and white where god is concerned. there is no sin too heinous, no road deviated too far. we are specks of divinity searching for the route home. how we get there isn't important. THAT we get there, is. god's love and power and wisdom are infinite. they are not contained in any book. they are written on your heart. take the time to uncover them.

 

the vast speculation about the higher being we refer to as god should show you something. that god is many things. he is open to interpretation. i suspect he designed it that way.

 

our tiny brains cannot comprehend god. the concept is too massive. so we have tended to humanise him - and not just in the form of jesus christ. most religions claim to know what god thinks in human terms.

 

now either one religion is totally right and if you happen to pick the wrong one you're f***ed, or none are totally right. meaning, they're partially wrong.

 

do you think god, the all-loving creator of the universe, the power who created you just because knowing you was such a pleasure, do you think that god would abandon you because you make the wrong choice when he didn't provide you with any irrefutable guidance about which way to jump?

 

neither do i.

 

if the many world religions are simply interpretations of god speaking to his people in different ways, if they are different versions of the ultimate truth, what the religions share is a sense of the almighty and a will that humans should love one another. trust in that.

 

don't be concerned if god chooses to speak to you in a different way than he has spoken to everyone else. you are his unique child, he knows you best. he knows how to guide you.

 

you're on a good path, jaye. you're asking questions, you're seeking answers. i am sure god takes pleasure in this. i don't believe any conclusion you finally draw is what will define your relationship with him.

 

and i don't believe who you love defines that relationship either. the important thing is that you love. physical intimacy is an expression of that love. mutual, nurturing, soul-shaking lovemaking, whoever you share it with.

 

i am sorry there is no definite answer to your question. i cannot tell you this is right, that is wrong. no-one can. all you will get is opinion, not fact. to say that homosexual sex is a sin is a guess, at best. at worst it's a failure to understand not only the will, but the very heart of a god who defies understanding to us simple souls.

 

because maybe god doesn't want to be understood? ever thought of that? maybe he just wants to be loved. leave the judgement, if there is any, to him and instead go and be an expression of him. go and love peacefully.

 

see, this isn't confusing. this god is what he always said he was. love.

 

if you want answers, jaye, make your life a life filled with love. make it one of understanding, of hope, of tolerance, of good example. do unto others as you would be done by.

 

and i promise you, god will hold your hand through it and the angels will rejoice that one soul, at least, did his best.

 

excellent post blue tuesday!

[bluetuesday]

we arnt animals to be bisexuals and to qurrel each other.

to be a gay is to follow the steps of satan in order to drag him to hell.

who in earth can bear the hells toture for ever?

 

wtf? to call someone an animal and a follower of satan for being created differently than you is so reprehensible it's almost beyond words. but i'll try to find some.

 

how about vile, misinformed, bigoted, hate-filled and an absolute slap in the face for a god you've heard of but clearly never known.

 

the way religion is used to twist people's hearts against each other is beyond criminal. it's the downfall of the human race when we fail to accept each other on this level.

 

did jesus teach you NOTHING about not judging? it's NOT good enough to say 'i'm not judging, i'm just telling you what jesus would have said'. no, you're not. you don't know what he would say. you don't know what is in jaye's heart, or anyone else's. and whatever label you put on it, you are preaching hate and division. may god forgive you for doing this in his name.

 

jaye, please do not take what beliver said literally. you are not an animal and you are not following in the steps of satan. no more than the rest of us, anyway.

 

jesus would be turning in his grave, a homer simpson probably said.

[blind_otter]

I’ll pick this apart carefully.

 

Your identity seems to begin and end with your sexuality.

Is sex the only thing you can contribute? Is your lackluster libido going to upset the planetary alignment?

Because you think it may “feel good” doesn’t make it good.

 

Is sex your only purpose and goal in life?

 

I think pain, whether it comes from guilt or shame, is a pretty good indicator that change is needed. You can deny it, but you would only be fooling yourself.

 

Thanks for the "care".

 

Anyways, I'll ignore the ridiculous question but I'll say this. I was watching a great show on PBS last night about a man who used the bible as a guidebook and visited verious holy sights.

 

A biblical scholar on the program put it very nicely. The bible is not only a religious text. It is the story of a tribe of people. Certain aspects of what is written refer to actual historical events, certain parts are anachronisms at best. In Israel there is a geological formation with huge pillars of salt jutting from the ground. The schoolchildren call these formations "Lot's Wife". I thought that was cool.

 

Now I'm going to collect verious stories from indigenous peoples in the rainforest and start my own religion. Hundreds of years from now people can argue about whether the stories are literal or figurative. That will be a nice convenient way to create dissent.

[penkitten]

i believe god creates us how we are.

 

there are women who have proof from their doctors that they produce as much testostrine as men and men who have proof that they produce as much estrogen as women. is that their fault that their bodies produce it?

 

 

sure , when god created the world he made a woman for a man ( eve was made of adams rib) and that was for him not to be lonely and to procreate the world.

this day in age, the world has alot of people and doesnt have the need as it did in the beginning of time.

((alot of people refer to leviticus to say people shouldnt be gay. however it is taken out of text. in original text, it was meant about rape , prostitution and it had alot to do with men getting teenage male prosititues to "lay" with. ))

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with that being said the bible gives references in the old testament of food that you can and cant eat http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis%209:2,3;%20Leviticus%2011:3,9,21,22;%20Deuteronomy%2014:4-6,9,11,20

first you are allowed to eat anything you can in genesis

then in leviticus you are told not to eat certain ones like shellfish camels chameleons and cormorants (whatever they are)

 

then in matthew jesus says "wait a minute, its not what you put into your body that makes you unclean it is what comes out of it. "

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2015:1-20;%20Mark%207:1-23

 

14Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, "Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. 15Nothing outside a man can make him 'unclean' by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him 'unclean.' "[f]

 

17After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. 18"Are you so dull?" he asked. "Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him 'unclean'? 19For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body." (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.")

 

20He went on: "What comes out of a man is what makes him 'unclean.' 21For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, 22greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. 23All these evils come from inside and make a man 'unclean.' "

 

then later somewhere in one of these verses we are told as long as we bless our food with prayer we dont stickly have to follow the list to a t.

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so what i ask you is this, if there were changes made as to what to eat in the bible , and there is no real evidence that god said dont be gay, and there is proof that people can produce different hormonal levels that what they are suppose to , then why must everyone give homosexuals such grief?

they arent out there committing murder, some of them are in better relationships than heterosexuals.

 

now whether you say it is ok or not, none of us have the right to judge someone else's mortality because that is up to god.

if they want to be married , as long as they feel it in their hearts and claim it to god, then by golly thats common law marriage right there, even if the state isnt going to recognize it or not.

if it is not legal or recognized then if one is in an accident they arent allowed to have the other make any medical decisions, even if that person knows their wishes better than anyone else. they arent allowed to get tax breaks or adopt children together. if one dies, the other isnt allowed to collect social security. they would also not be allowed to have any of their belongings legally such as bank account money or the furniture unless there is a written will that says so.

who says this is fair?

[penkitten]

http://www.timesdispatch.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=RTD/MGArticle/RTD_BasicArticle&c=MGArticle&cid=1128768902446

 

methodist churches now advertise that they accept gays and this is not a barrier to be a member of their church.

 

the following site is one for gay christians

http://www.gaychristianonline.org/gaychristianlife04.html

they offer spritual support.

[lindya]

i would like to ask people who support gays to be marreid in the Churches

have we seen any filmcasstes of jesus kissing a man?

i belive we man have the reponsibilty to look after our

 

I'm normally okay at making sense of dreadful spelling, but what the hell is a filmcasste?

[Moose]

jesus would be turning in his grave, a homer simpson probably said.

Jesus wasn't and never will be in a grave.......

[bluetuesday]

Jesus wasn't and never will be in a grave.......

 

well...doh!

 

actually, he was in a sort of grave. spent a couple of nights there as i recall.

 

but sheesh moose. grab a slice o' humour will ya!

 

or humor, as you yanks insist on spelling it.

[Bogun]

If god is a god, why would he exhibit the very human emotion of hate? Wouldn't a god be above such a base emotion? If god exists I doubt he's sitting up in heaven gnashing his teeth (gnashing is what they do in bible isnt it?) getting pissed that his creations are having homosexual relationships and marriages.

[penkitten]

If god is a god, why would he exhibit the very human emotion of hate? Wouldn't a god be above such a base emotion? If god exists I doubt he's sitting up in heaven gnashing his teeth (gnashing is what they do in bible isnt it?) getting pissed that his creations are having homosexual relationships and marriages.

and if things did upset him, he would have so many bigger fish to fry anyhow.

[Nicholas]

have we seen any filmcasstes of jesus kissing a man?

 

Have we seen any film casettes of Jesus kissing a woman?

[Admiral Thrawn]

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

[Nicholas]

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

 

But Adam and Eve made Steve, and Steve is most certainly capable of equal sacramental love despite his biological incompatibility with dudes.

 

As our knowledge of the world changes, so must our application of it. To hold Adam and Steve to Biblical standards, in determining the sanctity of their relationship, is counterproductive because it assumes that the Creation story is an expansive enough metaphor to handle the innovations we've made in understanding human sexuality. It's not. It can't even really explain, without laughable and scientifically unsound apologetics, how the entire human race stemmed from the DNA of two people.

[konfused]

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

 

 

When you die and go to hell, surely one of your punishments will involve some sort of homesexual act.

 

Quit making Jesus look bad.

[Admiral Thrawn]

God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve.

 

But Adam and Eve made Steve, and Steve is most certainly capable of equal sacramental love despite his biological incompatibility with dudes.

 

No, Adam and Eve made Cain, and Abel.

 

As our knowledge of the world changes, so must our application of it. To hold Adam and Steve to Biblical standards, in determining the sanctity of their relationship, is counterproductive because it assumes that the Creation story is an expansive enough metaphor to handle the innovations we've made in understanding human sexuality. It's not. It can't even really explain, without laughable and scientifically unsound apologetics, how the entire human race stemmed from the DNA of two people.

 

As people get more mired into sin, they continue to need ways to rationalise their sin, and eventually accept the delusion that their sin is alright. In fact, the world is not changing at all, it has always stayed the same. I'm sure you are aware of the account of Sodom and Gommorah, and how the term 'sodomy' became part of the English language, as being associated to those reprobate cities.

 

For the record, I've heard that scientists have traced the DNA of the human being down to a place in Africa, (where it would be speculated was the Garden of Eden).

[Nicholas]

No, Adam and Eve made Cain, and Abel.

 

And so on and so forth until someone begat Steve, the Biblical homosexual, for the purpose of discussion.

 

I'm sure you are aware of the account of Sodom and Gommorah, and how the term 'sodomy' became part of the English language, as being associated to those reprobate cities.

 

Yes, I am. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation, a modern innovation.

 

For the record, I've heard that scientists have traced the DNA of the human being down to a place in Africa, (where it would be speculated was the Garden of Eden).

 

The Garden of Eden, if it were to exist, is between the Tigris and the Euphrates river. Iraq.

[konfused]

No, Adam and Eve made Cain, and Abel.

 

 

For the record, I've heard that scientists have traced the DNA of the human being down to a place in Africa, (where it would be speculated was the Garden of Eden).

 

The Garden of Eden, if it were to exist, is between the Tigris and the Euphrates river. Iraq.

 

The biblical Garden of Eden most likely existed in Mesopotamia if at all. I've heard that the entire idea of a Garden was borrowed from the Persians who were notorious for their gardens and who at one time held the Jews as slaves. One of the seven wonders of the ancient world was, in fact, a Persian garden.

 

The Garden of Eden, i.e., where human life began most likely was somewhere in Africa. It's not too off the wall to think that, yes there was an original Eve from who all life stemmed. The real debate is about her origins. If you are interested, there is a book entitled River Out of Eden by Richard Dawkins. He is an evolutionary biologist and the river he is referring to is a river of genes.

[Apex]

It can't even really explain, without laughable and scientifically unsound apologetics, how the entire human race stemmed from the DNA of two people.

The creation of a living cell from base compounds by accident is itself worthy of laughter. How many scientists were able to construct a living cell from base elements? Scientific method requires reproducible results, and I haven’t seen those results. If you cannot satisfy the requirements in scientific method, then it is nothing more than faith.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protoplasm

Charles Darwin and his contemporaries viewed protoplasm as the sole content of a cell - in other words, cells were nothing but simple blobs composed of protoplasm. This simplified view of cells' biology circumvented the problem of the origin of life that Darwin and others struggled with. However, that problem was later re-introduced in the 1950's when the complex structure of DNA was discoverd.

[blind_otter]

The creation of a living cell from base compounds by accident is itself worthy of laughter. How many scientists were able to construct a living cell from base elements? Scientific method requires reproducible results, and I haven’t seen those results. If you cannot satisfy the requirements in scientific method, then it is nothing more than faith.

Hey, do you realize that in your post you kind of display a certain ignorance about the science behind biology? I'm just sayin'. It's prolly not a good idea to base your arguments on things you are unfamiliar with.

 

I read about an experiment mimicing the primordial soup where they observed strands of DNA spontaneously forming from all that crap swirling around at specific temperatures. In high school I read this.

 

Um. Yeah.

[Apex]

I read about an experiment mimicing the primordial soup where they observed strands of DNA spontaneous forming. In high school I read this.

If I gave you a bucket of transistors, do think it would assemble itself into a self-replicating and self-sustaining supercomputer? Most computer architects don’t leaving something like that to chance.

I’m not as faithful as you.

[blind_otter]

It isn't faith, duh, it was an article in NATURE, a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

 

Obviously you have more faith than I do because faith has nothing to do with scientific inquiry.

 

Now I will Unsunscribe. I'm too pissed off to deal with BS today.

[Apex]

It isn't faith, duh, it was an article in NATURE, a peer-reviewed scientific journal.

 

Obviously you have more faith than I do because faith has nothing to do with scientific inquiry.

 

Now I will Unsunscribe. I'm too pissed off to deal with BS today.

Don't feel bad. Darwin couldn't explain it anyways.

[Admiral Thrawn]

No, Adam and Eve made Cain, and Abel.

 

And so on and so forth until someone begat Steve, the Biblical homosexual, for the purpose of discussion.

 

You are missing the point. The first two people were an example of marriage proper, and they reproduced offspring. Homosexuality is one of the varients that came after the fruit was ingested. I told you that we were a renegade race, and in the context of that state, anything is possible.

 

I'm sure you are aware of the account of Sodom and Gommorah, and how the term 'sodomy' became part of the English language, as being associated to those reprobate cities.

 

Yes, I am. It has nothing to do with sexual orientation, a modern innovation.

 

That place was full of homosexuals, in fact, they wanted to even have sex with angels, probably anything that moved.