Do God hate samesex relationships?

[Nicholas]

i hate it when it flips so far apart in the stories where it is hard to keep up.

i went to bible gateway.com and i got the links to gen 2 3 4 and i never thought to look in a chapter that preceeded 2 where it talked of the creation of man and woman .

That is kind of frustrating, but it has a purpose. Genesis 1 and Genesis 2 are actually two different stories, by two different traditions (the Yahwist and the Elohist)--There are actually two creation stories.

[Admiral Thrawn]

You have already stated that God would take responsibility for us if we overpopulate the planet. It's a consensus of modern ecologists that overpopulation has already occured--when will God terraform the other planets like you promised he would?

 

That case was made for 'immortal humans'. Imagine if every human, since Adam and Eve, until now, had always existed, right now in this planet. How many people that would be living here, who cant die, but are going to continue to reproduce indefinately?

 

The resources should be evenly spread out.

 

So communism is the answer?

Are you doing your share?

 

I'm not positing any solution, but showing a consquence of sin. As I have stated before, there is no solution because the system is evil, people are into sin, that is why we have these problems. Society is doomed, and can only get worst until Jesus Christ rules the world, in person, landing back on the Mount of Olives to establish His Kingdom. We need Divine rulership, where the ruler is not corrupt, or is incorruptable.

 

The sin is how a few people horde all the wealth, and that it may even be possible for the world to sustain this population, or even double what is one it now, if people learned to live peacefully, cooperate, and even out the distribution of wealth.

 

Ecologists disagree, we're already past that point.

 

But no matter, you speak of that sin like you're above it. Do you eat meat? Do you enjoy electricity? Take this test, and find out how many Earths we'd need if everybody lived like you. I'd be willing to bet a large sum of money that we'd need more than just one.

 

I'm not a big mover and shaker in the political or financial scene. I am not part of the powers that be in this world. I'm not the one who makes decisions about interest rates, what governments are going to get loans, etc.... I'm not that powerful. You've got to know who is really in control of this world, what their motivations are, but I can tell you, it is all in sin.

 

Show me one perfect government, or politician that has not lied, who really means what he said, and is interested in the people, as opposed to self-aggrendisement and wealth. Show me a perfect court-room, or where no innoscent person has been wrongfully convicted and jailed or executed.

 

That has nothing to do with me, it's the system. I did not make the system, and I certainly dont run it.

[Nicholas]

I'm not a big mover and shaker in the political or financial scene. I am not part of the powers that be in this world. I'm not the one who makes decisions about interest rates, what governments are going to get loans, etc.... I'm not that powerful. You've got to know who is really in control of this world, what their motivations are, but I can tell you, it is all in sin.

 

You avoided my question--are you doing your share? You speak of it like you're above sin, but I gaurantee you're using more than your share of the world's resources.

 

That has nothing to do with me, it's the system. I did not make the system, and I certainly dont run it.

 

You didn't make the system. You don't run it. But you do consent to it, live within it, and contribute to it. No one person runs the system, therefore everyone can back out of accountability the way you have.

 

That's why nothing get's done. It's not because Eve ate the fruit. It's because people refuse to take accountability for themselves.

[Chris777]

I also challenge you to back down you assertations with scripture. There is no 'fine print' in the Bible saying anything is myth, especially of something of that importance. If there is, you are more than welcome to quote it.

 

Creation myths are pervasive in every ancient culture. Myths were never intended to be interpreted as historical facts--the reason there's no "fine print" is because they assumed it was obvious that a creation account was fictional, considering (among other inconsistencies) no one could have possibly witnessed Creation.

You claim to have a vast amount of knowledge of the thoughts and minds of aincent people and their intentions, as well as their knolwdge and or lack of it. What is your source for your claims?

as for what you specifically said, about the lack of eye witnesses.

Scripture is given by the inspiration of God, now either god inspires it or it is something other than scripture. Since Jesus Refers back to Genesis, on several accounts. and he doesn't deny any of it, including the flood. It is obvious he either believed it, lied, or was a fool. I personally believed it, as he constantly refered to the old testament with "have ye not read", "it is written". So I believe Jesus.

 

You are welcome to believe the Creation story really happened, but the historical truth is that even the people who told the stories, wrote the stories down, and consider the stories sacred gifts from God to this day--still don't cheapen them by insisting that they are factual accounts.

You consistently cheapen the Biblical accounts, by claiming they are , myth, distortions, misinterpretations, and lies. Either you believe the bible or you don't , you have made it clear you don't. You apparently have come up with your own hybrid religion, that you are the only follower of, since you are so secretive of it. (sorry but I just don't see any other conclusion based on your responces. that you don't adhere to anything, nor do you have any solid foundational beliefs. Other than of course those you half allude to, but fail to express in a form that is clear enough to define)

 

Right now there is over-population? People are not evenly spread around the world.

 

Overpopulation does not mean simply "too much people"--it's a conflict between resources and populations. In developing countries, it does mean overcrowding, and the solution is to educate women about birth control. In developed countries, it means an undue stress on natural resources, and the solution is a complete dismantling of our way of life.

 

Most habitable land is occupied. Saying that people should just "spread out" is not a solution. For example, it's impossible for a Nepalese person to just walk to Canada and set up camp.

 

You have already stated that God would take responsibility for us if we overpopulate the planet. It's a consensus of modern ecologists that overpopulation has already occured--when will God terraform the other planets like you promised he would?

the whole interplanetary speculation is moot(if not just strange and unscriptural), the world is fallen,

things would have to be redeemed, through Christ before any lasting sort of issues, can be solved, and I believe God is far more capable than all of us combined to solve things. Remember he made things perfect, and look at what WE have done to his creation.

So yes I do not believe we can "fix" anything. However that is not licence to make things worse.

So communism is the answer?

Are you doing your share?

 

The sin is how a few people horde all the wealth, and that it may even be possible for the world to sustain this population, or even double what is one it now, if people learned to live peacefully, cooperate, and even out the distribution of wealth.

just a pinch of the multitude of sins that will be corrected when Gods plan is fufiled.

[Chris777]

That case was made for 'immortal humans'. Imagine if every human, since Adam and Eve, until now, had always existed, right now in this planet. How many people that would be living here, who cant die, but are going to continue to reproduce indefinately?

eventually there will no longer be marrage or being given in marrage.

scripture doesn't say exactly, but it sounds as if marrage and intercourse have no purpose after the judgement, on into eternity.

 

I'm not positing any solution, but showing a consquence of sin. As I have stated before, there is no solution because the system is evil, people are into sin, that is why we have these problems. Society is doomed, and can only get worst until Jesus Christ rules the world, in person, landing back on the Mount of Olives to establish His Kingdom. We need Divine rulership, where the ruler is not corrupt, or is incorruptable.

 

It is sad to see how so many people are decieved into believing that things are actually improving outside of technlogy, It is like putting a Gun into the hands of a child, or the keys to a car for that matter, power, and knowledge are entirely seperate from wisdom.

 

I'm not a big mover and shaker in the political or financial scene. I am not part of the powers that be in this world. I'm not the one who makes decisions about interest rates, what governments are going to get loans, etc.... I'm not that powerful. You've got to know who is really in control of this world, what their motivations are, but I can tell you, it is all in sin.

Show me one perfect government, or politician that has not lied, who really means what he said, and is interested in the people, as opposed to self-aggrendisement and wealth. Show me a perfect court-room, or where no innoscent person has been wrongfully convicted and jailed or executed.

That has nothing to do with me, it's the system. I did not make the system, and I certainly dont run it.

Jesus never said to try and change worldly things, as this is a spiritual battle. Why do you people think he didn't just obliterate things and start over during his 1st coming? The time was not right, and It won't

Be until the Father determines it is

[Apex]

I was under the impression that Biblical authors didn't understand modern concepts, because they weren't alive.

Are you talking about the “flat Earth” myth.

The truth is that sin is not absolute. This is why you're free to chow down on bacon, wear mixed fabrics, and enjoy a number of freedoms that were bestowed on humanity because our morals moved with human knowledge, instead of against it.

Wrong. Paul was the champion of eating meat, the uncircumcised male, and salvation by faith.

His letters are also the earliest Christian writings.

[Admiral Thrawn]

I'm not a big mover and shaker in the political or financial scene. I am not part of the powers that be in this world. I'm not the one who makes decisions about interest rates, what governments are going to get loans, etc.... I'm not that powerful. You've got to know who is really in control of this world, what their motivations are, but I can tell you, it is all in sin.

 

You avoided my question--are you doing your share? You speak of it like you're above sin, but I gaurantee you're using more than your share of the world's resources.

 

Again, what I am referring to is the distrubtion of wealth. I'm not part of the 20% that is holding over 70% of the nation's wealth. Nor, am I necessarily scape-goating the 20% as being the cause of all problems in the world - but that skewed distribution of wealth, while children are dying of hunger in Africa, can only happen with a species marred in sin.

 

What I believe, I think everyone should have decent accomidation and a decent lifestyle. Further than that, wealth that is collecting interest, and just having fat bank accounts, should rightfully be distributed to those who need it in the world.

 

Corrupt governments in Third World countries, that are more concerned about enriching themselves and oppressing and stealing from the people, rather than their own welfare, should be replaced with egalitarian ones, that are for the people.

 

These are just illustrations to the obvious problems in the world are caused by sin. A hero, who wants to overthrow a corrupt government and bring order and justice, often becomes a villian themselves once they get into power. So, you see, that sin is the cause of all of the world's problems, and why we need Divine rulership and human government will inevidably be dismantled, where Jesus will be King, and His faithful will be appointed as local goveners and judges in the New Millinium Kingdom.

 

That has nothing to do with me, it's the system. I did not make the system, and I certainly dont run it.

 

You didn't make the system. You don't run it. But you do consent to it, live within it, and contribute to it. No one person runs the system, therefore everyone can back out of accountability the way you have.

 

You mean people can choose whether or not to pay income, sales, or any form of tax?

[Admiral Thrawn]

eventually there will no longer be marrage or being given in marrage.

scripture doesn't say exactly, but it sounds as if marrage and intercourse have no purpose after the judgement, on into eternity.

 

 

 

It is sad to see how so many people are decieved into believing that things are actually improving outside of technlogy, It is like putting a Gun into the hands of a child, or the keys to a car for that matter, power, and knowledge are entirely seperate from wisdom.

 

Of course. However, the example here is based on a hypothetical world, if Adam, to this very day, as well as all his offspring, choose not to eat the forbidden fruit in the Garden of Eden, and it remained, to this very day, there, with nobody touching the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. In this hypothetical reconstruction - the commandment to be 'fruitful and multiply' is still going to be there.

 

While we would have been perfect in this reconstruction, and there would not have been a Great Flood, which created all the Oceans - eventually, the whole planet would be full of immortal humans. This would mean, either God would have to cancel the commandment to be fruitful and multiply, which He wont do, because God never changes His commands - or He would have to accomidate it somehow, by either making the world larger, or terraforming or creating other planets around.

 

Jesus never said to try and change worldly things, as this is a spiritual battle. Why do you people think he didn't just obliterate things and start over during his 1st coming? The time was not right, and It won't

Be until the Father determines it is

 

Because the Jews were crazy, and they crucified their Messiah, and choose Cesar as King rather than acknowledge Him as King. If they accepted Him as King, perhaps things would have been different. Their reaction to Jesus was known in advance by God, and even written in prophecy in the Bible.

 

Would you, in effect, thing if the Jews response was correct, that a hypothetical reconstruct, like the one with Adam, would result in a different hypothetical world. The hypothetical world, was Jesus Kingdom would have been established 2000 years ago on earth because the Jews would accept Him as King. Cesar may have him executed as being a political rival, and Jesus would have died for the sins of everyone in that manner. When He rose from the dead, then He would establish His Kingdom with the Jews, and eventually the world (likely simultatnously)

 

Other hypothetical reconstructs is - suppose the Jews, when they were in the wilderness - never complainted, completely trusted God and Moses. Well, they would have saved 40 years in the wilderness and would have been in the land of Canaan much sooner, right? So, the same thing has happened with the Kingdom, like what happened with Canaan, because of the actions of the Jews, and now we all have to suffer because of it.

 

In conclusion, the foreshadowed rejection of Jesus by the Jews, set everything back for over 2000 years. Right now, Israel is now a nation again, so the prophetic time-line is now re-established.

 

As for the hypothetical reconstructs, I guess, that was for the purpose of illustration by contrasting a 'negative' to establish a 'positive' truth.

[Admiral Thrawn]

Are you talking about the “flat Earth” myth.

 

The Bible never said the earth was flat.

 

In fact, in the book of Isaiah, it says the world is circular.

[Chris777]

I bumped this into admirals new thread as it would probably appear to deviate from the topic

[Nicholas]

Are you talking about the “flat Earth” myth.

 

No, I'm talking about the modern concept of sexual orientation.

 

You claim to have a vast amount of knowledge of the thoughts and minds of aincent people and their intentions, as well as their knolwdge and or lack of it. What is your source for your claims?

 

I have taken several courses on Biblical interpretation/translation and have done the best I can to determine the context of the different areas of scripture--I did what I felt was neccesary to best respect the text. It's never a complete proccess, of course, which is why I don't go around saying my scriptural interpretations are divine in nature--because they are not, and never can be.

 

As for my claim about sexual orientation, the reason biblical authors couldn't have written about homosexuality is the same reason they couldn't have written about pathogens or nuclear weapons.

 

Scripture is given by the inspiration of God

 

So are my posts.

 

Even if God directly wrote the scriptures Himself, which he did not, there is still no reason to assume they should be interpreted literally. Talented writers use allegory to effectively convey messages all of the time--in fact, it was Jesus' preferred method of teaching. In fact, the only literary genre in which literalist writing is preferred is children's books. Why reduce God to an author of children's tales?

 

It is clear to anyone familiar with ancient cultures or literature that the Creation stories (yes, both of them) are mythical, and never meant to be interpreted literally. Literalist interpretations come from a lack of academic rigor, not a surplus of devotion.

 

You consistently cheapen the Biblical accounts, by claiming they are , myth, distortions, misinterpretations, and lies.

 

Your blanket statement is inaccurate, but I assume you knew that and you're just trying to be inflammatory.

 

Claiming some of the Bible is a myth is not in any way cheapening it. Cheapening it would be to give no regard to the context or writing style of the piece, and just take it as a children's story. Myths are not lies or untruths, they simply have to be read a different way. If you're incapable of reading it the way it was written, don't blame God.

 

As for saying they are distortions or lies, I've never said that. I have accused posters here of misinterpreting scripture, but that doesn't mean I claim the Bible is a misinterpretation. That doesn't even make any sense. The Bible is a text, and interpretations come from it. If the Bible is divine, which we'll have to presuppose it is, it doesn't mean that any human interpretation of it is also divine.

 

the whole interplanetary speculation is moot

 

Of course it is. I just thought it was a neat example of the phenomena of Biblical literalists making up stuff to "fill in the blanks"

 

So yes I do not believe we can "fix" anything.

 

If nothing can be fixed, why live? Just to knock on doors and insist the end is near? That sounds like a cult, not a religion of any spiritual value.

 

Again, what I am referring to is the distrubtion of wealth. I'm not part of the 20% that is holding over 70% of the nation's wealth. Nor, am I necessarily scape-goating the 20% as being the cause of all problems in the world - but that skewed distribution of wealth, while children are dying of hunger in Africa, can only happen with a species marred in sin.

 

You can't speak of that sin like you're above it, because you're not. You never answered my question--are you doing your share? Did you take the quiz? How many Earths would we need if everyone lived like you?

 

What I believe, I think everyone should have decent accomidation and a decent lifestyle.

 

This is a fair belief, but it's easier said than done, and extremely subjective. What's a decent lifestyle? Does it involve electricity? The consumption of meat? Higher education? In those respects, we're overpopulated. There isn't enough resources to support an American lifestyle--even a low middle class lifestyle--for the entire planet.

 

Further than that, wealth that is collecting interest, and just having fat bank accounts, should rightfully be distributed to those who need it in the world.

 

Why not start with yours? Or is yours not "fat" enough? There will always be someone with more wealth and power than you--when does one take accountability for their role in the poverty of others?

 

Corrupt governments in Third World countries, that are more concerned about enriching themselves and oppressing and stealing from the people, rather than their own welfare, should be replaced with egalitarian ones, that are for the people.

 

It's not an easy affair to just "replace" a government with a fair, egalitarian one. Some populations won't support egalitarian governments. Some governments are based on illicit goods, the success of which is backed up by the poverty and suffering of others. Other governments are too rooted in capitalist free-market traditions to support measurable social welfare plans.

 

The more you study overpopulation in developing countries, the more you'll realize that it's not about who's running the country, it's about who's in it. The subjugation of women is probably the number one factor in "third world" overpopulation, and many of these populations also don't have very high opinions of women, so the likelihood of them remaining complacent to efforts to educate their women is very slim.

 

So, you see, that sin is the cause of all of the world's problems, and why we need Divine rulership and human government will inevidably be dismantled, where Jesus will be King, and His faithful will be appointed as local goveners and judges in the New Millinium Kingdom.

 

That second part sounds pretty nice to you, yeah?

[realeve20]

Yes God truly loves us, because he sent his only son Jesus Christ to die for our sins so we may have a second chance of eternal life. Now we are truly forgiven; and besides God does not want us to suffer. He wants us to be filled with joy, love, happiness, and peace. Amen.

[wizdom]

All i have to say in this matter is God created Adam and eve. Not adam and tom or eve and eva. So if he desired for man to sleep with man he would have only created one gender. He says in the Bible that he created women for man b/c it is not good for man to be alone. Also he does say that IN 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-11 that sexually immoral, homesexuals etc will not inherit the Kingdom of God. God hates the sin he does not hate the person if he did he would be guilty of breaking his own commandment. " that thou should love you neighbor as yourself." Simple and plain you are not born gay. what comes over these people is a homosexual spirit that they need to ask God to deliver them from. we can make up beliefs to make us feel better about our sins but it is not going to make a difference when we stand before God on judgment day.

[Outcast]

God created Adam, Eve, Tom, Steve, and everybody else. The reason God told the tale of Adam and Eve was the 'be fruitful and multiply' bit, which obviously he couldn't say to Adam and Steve.

[penkitten]

All i have to say in this matter is God created Adam and eve. Not adam and tom or eve and eva. So if he desired for man to sleep with man he would have only created one gender. He says in the Bible that he created women for man b/c it is not good for man to be alone. Also he does say that IN 1 CORINTHIANS 6:9-11 that sexually immoral, homesexuals etc will not inherit the Kingdom of God. God hates the sin he does not hate the person if he did he would be guilty of breaking his own commandment. " that thou should love you neighbor as yourself." Simple and plain you are not born gay. what comes over these people is a homosexual spirit that they need to ask God to deliver them from. we can make up beliefs to make us feel better about our sins but it is not going to make a difference when we stand before God on judgment day.

it does not say HOMOSEXUAL

it refers to people who were raping others and prositutional sorts of acts.

[Chris777]

The bible is clear, For those who try and justify their sins, by some sort of warping of semantics, "new age" translation, or pride in modern knowledge somehow being superior to that of the Bible Writers, should probably take it uo with God himself as he was the one who inspired them. Yes I looked at your "site" and Its just not worth delving into to the degree that they did.

If you follow their interpretations, then you are basically saying god is "permitting homosexuality" which is just flat out wrong. Any more than he "permitts" Forication. they are equal in that neithe occur within a marrage.

by Nicolas calling it a modern notion, I assume he is also goving his endorsement, of Drug use, as It is clearly not something the biblical authors could have concieved of, And not all of it is "harmful" for the touchy feelies, Since Zoophilia is now apparently on the cusp of adoption by many as how can we know what an animal does and does not enjoy?

 

I suggest you anwser scripturally instead of popping in quotes about how something is invalid with nothing to back it up, you are behaving witin the same manor as those you claim to despise, by pulling such base and lazy attempts.

 

1 single link with 1 groups opinion does not make it doctrine, Especially since it takes them so much arguement, and pulling from soo many sources on 1 topic in 1 verse.

[Sasperilla]

Far better to be a thinking, considerate homosexual who tries to be a good person and avoid hurting others than to be a sanctimonious, holier-than-thou person who lives his/her life by blindly following dogma, without questioning it and who feels justified in pointing the finger and condemning other people as 'sinners' without once having the insight to see that his/her own behaviour is not exactly 'christian'.

 

Where is all the love, forgiveness and charity? Oh I suppose God does all that - you don't need to bother right? As long as you follow the little book of rules, you'll be fine. No need to think. That's why so many people like it.

[wizdom]

actually there is a need to think and God does hate sin, he hates when i sin, he hates when you sin. He does not hate you, b/c he created you. Just as we are not to hate anyone. I don't just follow the little book of rules, i whole heartedly desire to please God. Things in my life that i like to do like have sex, drink party those are all fun to me but they are sin to God that is why i deny my flesh,and the more i spend time with God the less i want to dissplease him. I will never claim to be holier than thou that's what people call christians when they are feeling convicted about your sin. And to clarify something you can be a good person all you want and do as many works that are good deeds, that is not what is going to get you into heave. It is not about works lest any man should boast. You have to except the free gift of Jesus Christ. that's the difference between me and you i have excepted his free gift so everyday i have to die to my flesh and give up some of the desires that i want to do but i know will not please God. Honestly you will never understand it unless you are walking in the Spirit with God meaning you are letting his Holy Spirit Guide you. You can't do that unless you except him until then you'll be convinced that being a good person is good enough. It's not. I don't judge anyone i just tell them the truth. I know God is real b/c he has made himself real to me b/c i have searched for him and not just in christianity. all i can say to you is truly search for him ask him to make himself known to you be willing to be set free and have the blinders taken off of your eyes. ( i don;t mean that to be holier than thou either) i real with you i have been through drama and have sinned but God has forgiven me and now i run after him with all of my heart. do you honeslty feel piece in your heart with you situation? i don't think you do or you wouldn't get so offensive. I know i get offensive when someone shows me what i am doing is wrong and i want a reason to justify my acts so i say that they are just trying to be holier than thou when the truth is i feel convicted and i know what i am doing is wron,.

[wizdom]

another thing where was all the love and charity when Jesus was on the earth. He committed not one sin yet people told him he was a liar, they spit at him, beat him. They told him he cast out demons by the devil? go figure a house dived against itself can not stand so why would satan have him cast out his servants ( demons)

[Sasperilla]

Well, just for the record wizdom, I am not gay. I just can't stand racism, sexism or homophobia.

 

that's the difference between me and you i have excepted his free gift so everyday i have to die to my flesh and give up some of the desires that i want to do but i know will not please God. Honestly you will never understand it unless you are walking in the Spirit with God meaning you are letting his Holy Spirit Guide you. You can't do that unless you except him until then you'll be convinced that being a good person is good enough. It's not.

and you say you are not holier-than-thou?

 

. do you honeslty feel piece in your heart with you situation?

 

absolutely.

 

i don't think you do or you wouldn't get so offensive. I know i get offensive when someone shows me what i am doing is wrong and i want a reason to justify my acts so i say that they are just trying to be holier than thou when the truth is i feel convicted and i know what i am doing is wron,.

 

I get offensive because I get sick of hearing gay-bashing all the time when all they are trying to do is lead a normal life like everyone else. Why does it bother you so much? Why should you care if it is 'wrong'? Is it hurting you?

[wizdom]

did you read anything in my post that said i hated gays. i said God has sin all sin. I care about there souls. there is no where in my post that i bashed gays

that is something they gay people will have to take up with God. If you read any of my post before i stated that my father cheated on my mother with

men, he was gay i did not hate him. He realized that he had a homosexual spirit on him that he needed to be delivered from which he was. He asked God to take the desire away from him and God did. it wasn't easy for him because he struggled for a long time. so if i hated gays i would have to have hated my dad. it's obviouse you don't read what i write and you only look for things that make you think i feel i am holier than thou. if you want to be for real with it i have been set free from the curse of the law which is sin and death you have shackels on your feet and our bond and you don't even know. all i can say to you is one day we all will know, i would rather live my life as though there is a GOd then come judgment day find out there was one and i rejected him. what will you say there? just out of curiosity?

[grace2005]

I base my beliefs on what the bible says. I believe the bible is 100% the word of God. So yes I believe God hates same sex relationships. But you know what? God hates all sin. Yep. He hates gluttony, laziness, fornication (pre-marital sex), adultery, lying, stealing, murder, worry, etc. The good news is that while God hates the sin He loves all sinners.

 

I sin everyday in word, thought, & deed. God hates alot of the behaviors and attitudes I engage in. Jesus died on the cross for all sins. Homosexuality is one of the sins He died for.

 

A person is not going to be denied entrance into heaven because of the lifestyle he lived but because of his unbelief/rejection of the Son of God who came to take away the sins of the world through His death on the cross & rise again to give us life.

 

Jesus said that unless a man is born again He cannot see or enter the kingdom of God. John chapter 3:1-18 tells us how to be born again. It is through faith & faith alone in Christ & His death, burial & resurrection alone. It is trusting in Christ & what He did instead of ourselves and what we're doing to gain salvation.

 

So homosexuality is an abomination to God. While God hates that sin like all other sins, He loves the sinners. God is loving, merciful, just, & holy. Sin cannot coexist with a holy God otherwise heaven would no longer be heaven. All sin must be punished. While God's holiness demands that sin be punished, God's love motivated Him to send His only begotten Son Jesus Christ to die in our place because He does not want us to perish. This was God's way of satisfying justice & at the same time reconciling us back to Himself. Jesus Christ is 100% God & 100% man at the same time. He is the bridge between humanity and the Father. Love motivated Him to pay the penalty of our sins instead of leaving us pay an eternal death penalty in hell.

 

The only sin that God asks us to give up is our unbelief in Jesus. That is what repentance is. Repentance does not mean cleaning up your life. You come to Jesus as you are in childlike faith & let Him clean you up from the inside out. If we had to clean up our lifestyle before we could ever come to Christ then we would never come to Christ. If we could clean up our life before coming to Christ then there would be no need to come to Christ. It's the grace of God alone that changes hearts & as a byproduct a changed lifestyle. He does not require you to stop sinning before He saves you. That is impossible. You don't need to make promises or new years resolutions to do better. He's willing to save you while you are still a mess. I came to Christ while I was still a mess inside. I still am a mess. He's not finished with me yet. He still has alot of work to do in me. He does not change us overnight.

 

The reason God hates homosexuality like any other sin is because He knows what the negative outcome that lifestyle has on oneself and the partner. God created adam & eve not adam and steve. Only man & woman can procreate. Man & man cannot. It goes against nature. Homosexuals have the highest risk for catching AIDS.

 

I do not hate homosexuals. I love them & accept them just the way they are. I just will not encourage or promote their lifestyle. I would not reject them as friends. I would tell them that God loves them & that His love is not some generic love. It is very real, personal, & intimate. He really does love us. Would I eat with homosexuals? Absolutely. Would I invite them over to my house? Absolutely.

[wizdom]

i couldn't have said it better grace.

[Sasperilla]

if you want to be for real with it i have been set free from the curse of the law which is sin and death you have shackels on your feet and our bond and you don't even know. all i can say to you is one day we all will know, i would rather live my life as though there is a GOd then come judgment day find out there was one and i rejected him. what will you say there? just out of curiosity?

 

I am curious how you have been set free when you say that you sin all the time. I haven't really thought about what I will say come judgement day because of course, I don't believe in it. But I guess if it did happen hypothetically, then it would be tough luck. I've lived my life the best way I can based on my own set of moral values. I don't live in fear of retribution every day of my life.

[wizdom]

1 cor 1:17 Christ did not call us to preach with cleverness of speech so that the cross of Christ would not be made void.

 

God uses foolishness to confound the wise. The foolishness of God is wiser than men, & the weakness of God is stronger than man. God has called the people that the world say are foolish to shame the wise( the ones that think they have life figured out) he has chosen the weak to shame the strong.

let him who boast, boast in the Lord.

 

He also tells us to not be persuasive in words of wisdom, but in demenstration of the Spirit and power, so that your faith does not rest on the wisdom of men but on the power of God.

 

The wisdom Of God is a mystery that only those who take the time to know Jesus Christ can begin to understand. For if the world understood then they would not have crucified the Lord Jesus Christ.

To us God revealed them through the Spirit, for the Spirit searches all things even the depths of God. Ex. Who amoung us knows the thoughts of a man except the spirit of that man which is in him. Even so the thoughts of God no one knows except the Holy Spirit. So if you have excepted him as the Savior then his spirit becomes one with yours and he begins to reveal the meaning behind the scriptures. You can't look at the Bible and truly understand it without the help of the Holy Spirit b/c for the most part it will not make since.

We have been given the Spirit from God so that we may know the things which are freely given to us.

 

As far as the Jews not excepting Christ as there savior. Christ coming to this earth was Predicted hundreds of years before he even came to the earth. They didn't believe that God would send him in the form of a man as a carpenter. They thought he would come as a king, with glory and splendor.