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So, the pattern is absolutely verified at this point.

People with depression and personality disorders fall for me HARD.  There’s something about my personality that they find comforting and they need me.  Idk what it is or what I’m doing wrong. 
 

Many of my ex girlfriends, my ex wife, etc.  all had mental health issues.  
 

The latest one it’s really in deep.  Problem is, these people make me feel great too when they are doing ok.  Let me share the pattern. Maybe you all can tell me why I attract these people.

The type: Depression, ptsd, personality disorders, much younger than me, ridiculously attractive

 

me: comforting, nice, open minded, financially stable, ok looking 

 

Time and time again it’s the same thing. They find comfort in my personality and just fall like crazy for me.  I don’t want to live my entire life having relationship after relationship with the mentally ill. Yet, this is all I attract.  I can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong. 
 

Do I just make peace with it and have a series of relationships like this?  Do I try to figure out the problem?  
 

I’m well enough on my own these days since I helped my last one get independent and self sustaining and get help and get better.  She’s doing great.  I have a brand new one that is stuck on me HARD.  Should I let it happen or push her away?   
 

I’m not sure what I want myself. Yes, it’s not bad to have super hot, younger women loving you deeply, but the stress and pain of the mental disorders they bring to my life is taking a toll.  I don’t know how much more energy I have for this anymore.  
 

What would you do? Try to be alone or let it happen again?  
 

Also, what is WRONG with me that this is the only type I attract? 

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37 minutes ago, DirectionUncertain said:

So, the pattern is absolutely verified at this point.

People with depression and personality disorders fall for me HARD.  There’s something about my personality that they find comforting and they need me.  Idk what it is or what I’m doing wrong. 
 

Many of my ex girlfriends, my ex wife, etc.  all had mental health issues.  
 

The latest one it’s really in deep.  Problem is, these people make me feel great too when they are doing ok.  Let me share the pattern. Maybe you all can tell me why I attract these people.

The type: Depression, ptsd, personality disorders, much younger than me, ridiculously attractive

 

me: comforting, nice, open minded, financially stable, ok looking 

 

Time and time again it’s the same thing. They find comfort in my personality and just fall like crazy for me.  I don’t want to live my entire life having relationship after relationship with the mentally ill. Yet, this is all I attract.  I can’t figure out what I’m doing wrong. 
 

Do I just make peace with it and have a series of relationships like this?  Do I try to figure out the problem?  
 

I’m well enough on my own these days since I helped my last one get independent and self sustaining and get help and get better.  She’s doing great.  I have a brand new one that is stuck on me HARD.  Should I let it happen or push her away?   
 

I’m not sure what I want myself. Yes, it’s not bad to have super hot, younger women loving you deeply, but the stress and pain of the mental disorders they bring to my life is taking a toll.  I don’t know how much more energy I have for this anymore.  
 

What would you do? Try to be alone or let it happen again?  
 

Also, what is WRONG with me that this is the only type I attract? 

Just react less to individuals like this who need your help. You may be overlooking the bland ones and plain janes because they're not dysfunctional or charismatic as these women. 

It's ok to feel attracted to someone but check your actions in general. 

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I think the question you need to ask yourself is "why are you attracted to women with depression and personality disorders not why are they attracted to you.  You don't have to get involved with them and make them your girlfriend.  

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2 hours ago, stillafool said:

I think the question you need to ask yourself is "why are you attracted to women with depression and personality disorders not why are they attracted to you.  You don't have to get involved with them and make them your girlfriend.  

Excellent question. 
 

I think I thoroughly enjoy helping people.  It breaks my heart to see people struggling and I want to help.  
 

I’m patient.   I listen.  And these women are usually as attractive as it gets and that pulls you in too.  They know how to be injured puppy dogs.   
 

I don’t know how to help myself.  It’s like a perfect storm.  
 

Also, they are intense!  When they love, they LOVE.   They are wonderful in many ways.   But not.

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Exactly what l saw in your first post, your just too empathetic. l suffer from it to only l learned a long time ago the hard way that l must walk away early and just not become involved. We also have an emotional way and that openness that you've pointed out to and yeah your spot on they're really drawn to that too.

lt's harsh but you virtually have to kill of a lot of that in yourself very early, which often isn't easy at all especially if she's really cute and they often are. Sadly you have to start closing that door as soon as she opens her mouth and walk away for your own good and except the fact that she will drain the hell out of you if you don't. She might even end up sleeping on your doorstep, or develop a fatal attraction, so you just can't let that even begin.

How old are you now if you don't mind, if you do no worries.

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8 hours ago, chillii said:

Exactly what l saw in your first post, your just too empathetic. l suffer from it to only l learned a long time ago the hard way that l must walk away early and just not become involved. We also have an emotional way and that openness that you've pointed out to and yeah your spot on they're really drawn to that too.

lt's harsh but you virtually have to kill of a lot of that in yourself very early, which often isn't easy at all especially if she's really cute and they often are. Sadly you have to start closing that door as soon as she opens her mouth and walk away for your own good and except the fact that she will drain the hell out of you if you don't. She might even end up sleeping on your doorstep, or develop a fatal attraction, so you just can't let that even begin.

How old are you now if you don't mind, if you do no worries.


this is pretty good advice. I’m now (yikes) 50.  
 

I think I’ll try this one more hoping it won’t be as bad of a disaster/mental drain.  She’s already proven to be better than the rest so... I’ll explore it from a less serious angle to start with and break it off at the first sign of it being too hard or sketch in any way. 
 

this one will be my learning experience. 
 

im glad you all helped me identify the “why.”  Now I can try to find les damaged ones if/when this one doesn’t work out 

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Ahhh, ya still a baby l've got 6yrs on you ha ha.

But yeah well , it's something l had to do myself at any rate at around 35ish , l'd just found myself to involved, things happened, even when l was married l'd still meet them. lt was actually my w advised me to turn and walk away, even as in any friendships.

Not to say if you were to meet that very special one, who could be in between and in all the ways you've described. My partner now is an in between but she's a magnificent mix.

Good luck anyway.

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5 minutes ago, chillii said:

Ahhh, ya still a baby l've got 6yrs on you ha ha.

But yeah well , it's something l had to do myself at any rate at around 35ish , l'd just found myself to involved, things happened, even when l was married l'd still meet them. lt was actually my w advised me to turn and walk away, even as in any friendships.

Not to say if you were to meet that very special one, who could be in between and in all the ways you've described. My partner now is an in between but she's a magnificent mix.

Good luck anyway.


 

That sounds really cool. The in between type.  Almost seems like the best you or I could ever hope for. Ha ha ha. 
 

Maybe I will just keep trying them, understanding that none of these people is going to be marriage material or anything, not that I even necessarily want to ever be married again, and just let it play out. Maybe one of them will stick and be good in the in between way. 
 

thanks for your posts. It’s very encouraging to meet someone else who had this sort of problem.  
 

It’s weird because it’s like a blessing and a curse. People would absolutely kill to get these kind of women, looks wise and intensity wise, but, they can be exhausting. 
 

Thanks everyone. I was a little bit bummed out this is all I seem to attract, but maybe it’s not such a big deal as I was making it out to be. If it becomes a real problem, then I will start to change things. For now, I’ll just let it play out.

 

 

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Yeah very true , l just loveeee my partners intensity and it's everywhere not just in one area, all over her person as l can be myself. But with her compared, l just find the normally all together type so mundane, they just don't interest me or have her soul.

She's also very grounded to though in many ways very important to me and often just runs rings around most anyway. She'd be too much for most but eh, they know not what they miss haha.

Good luck anyway.

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22 hours ago, DirectionUncertain said:

... ridiculously attractive

Attractive is partly in one's own mind, so I think there is indeed a part of you that falls for them too. Perhaps them being not just physically fit, but also "high maintenance", "complicated", hot/cold, drama queen-ish, etc adds an extra "oomph" to the attractiveness (for you).

They say broken attracts broken (although this might be more along the lines of "dysfunctional attracts dysfunctional"). Also some part of this may be learned, in that you've found a way to get your (romantic) needs met by sensing and responding to women like this. Having a sexy but high-maintenance woman is better for you than being alone, no?

 

22 hours ago, DirectionUncertain said:

me: comforting, nice, open minded, financially stable, ok looking

Without doing a deep dive (which isn't truly possible on a forum anyhow), at first glance perhaps they sense an emotionally safe and supportive partner who they feel will help them (and which in fact appears to be accurate). For some, such as ones with PD tendencies, they may also sense a certain amount of gentleness/emotional vulnerability (for a male), allowing them more ability to manipulate you (e..g. emotionally) once their negatives side inevitably starts to come out.

Even many people with real problems look for/hope to find a good partner (even if they may not be particularly good FOR that partner).

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3 hours ago, mark clemson said:

Attractive is partly in one's own mind, so I think there is indeed a part of you that falls for them too. Perhaps them being not just physically fit, but also "high maintenance", "complicated", hot/cold, drama queen-ish, etc adds an extra "oomph" to the attractiveness (for you).

They say broken attracts broken (although this might be more along the lines of "dysfunctional attracts dysfunctional"). Also some part of this may be learned, in that you've found a way to get your (romantic) needs met by sensing and responding to women like this. Having a sexy but high-maintenance woman is better for you than being alone, no?

 

Without doing a deep dive (which isn't truly possible on a forum anyhow), at first glance perhaps they sense an emotionally safe and supportive partner who they feel will help them (and which in fact appears to be accurate). For some, such as ones with PD tendencies, they may also sense a certain amount of gentleness/emotional vulnerability (for a male), allowing them more ability to manipulate you (e..g. emotionally) once their negatives side inevitably starts to come out.

Even many people with real problems look for/hope to find a good partner (even if they may not be particularly good FOR that partner).

Well, you see, I am trying to be alone actually. It’s just not working. Lol

I mean, how do you resist anyway? I keep trying to be alone and work on myself and work on my interests, my hobbies, my life. Doing things just for me. Which I never do. I’m always  doing things for other people.

my last girlfriend who fits the description above, actually encouraged me to do this. She saw it. She saw I needed time to myself. And she was right.   She was a really really great person. One of the sweetest nicest people you’ll ever meet. She has her demons, but, wow. What a kind and thoughtful human being. I actually went with her because of her personality. I wasn’t as attracted to her as I am with all the other ones usually. But, there was something so special about who she was that I literally just couldn’t resist.  I have made my peace with trying to be alone. And I’ve really been enjoying alone time. It’s peaceful. It’s nice. It’s relaxing.

 

so I just want to emphasize that no, I’m not seeking out anything. It just keeps finding me. And it’s kind of hard to say no.  I don’t even know if I should be saying no. I mean, that’s like walking by a bed of flowers and not stopping to smell them or whatever. I don’t know that I’m that hard. Or cynical. At least in the ways of relationships.

 

I suppose attractiveness is in the eye of the beholder, but, these are the ones that no one would disagree about. Lol these are the ones guys follow around when we go out in public to try to pick up. These are the ones that make the guys their age stutter and fail.  Yet somehow they’re interested in older men, and guys like me that are nice I guess. They often complain about the guys in their age bracket sucking. Treating them poorly. And I guess since I treat them nicely, they are drawn in or something.

That ended up being a little bit of a long post to gently try to correct a little bit of yours. 99% of yours was perfect however. That was some good insight. And I thank you for it. I was just worried that I kept attracting this type. And that I keep going through with it with this type. Sometimes I wonder why I don’t have just some normal woman. It is unfortunate, but I’m kind of drawn to Beauty. That’s what I first see, and then I look for the personality after. Of course, that’s all any of us can do since we don’t know somebody until we meet them.  But somehow all these super super beautiful ones are Ending up having a mental illness is if they are crazy enough to be talking to me. Ha ha ha.

 

this has been a good thread though. I really thank all of you for posting. It is helped me realize I shouldn’t be worrying about this. I should just be letting it go. I mean, I’m really happy being alone. But when somebody like this comes along, that’s fine too. And who knows? Maybe I’ll get a good one like Chillii did.   

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I’ve dated a few narcissists before getting married and I realized that I lacked boundaries. I used to attract narcissistic men because I was always giving people the benefit of the doubt plus I had a terrible relationship with my dad as a kid and up until a few years ago. My dad didn’t say kind things to me, made me feel small and was emotionally abusive. So I looked for those types of men when I was dating because I wanted my dad’s love and acceptance, in reality. It wasn’t something I was conscious of until I stopped the cycle and started setting boundaries with men. 
 

There are reasons why we sometimes accept treatment that is not what we deserve and that was why I did. People with personality disorders show signs early on of their disorder before things get bad - non stop texting, love bombing, falling in love way too quickly, etc. I think when you start seeing the patterns, you’ll be able to end these relationships sooner, before they get toxic. Good luck to you, it’s definitely challenging dating these types of people! 

 

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See a professional therapist for help.

ask for help…with your lack of boundaries and your need to be a knight in shining armor.

if you have such a need to help others - volunteer! That way you step in and step out!

why can’t you allow others to “fix/solve” their own problems? It is THEIRS to fix, not yours!

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On 5/14/2022 at 11:08 PM, DirectionUncertain said:

Maybe I will just keep trying them, understanding that none of these people is going to be marriage material or anything, not that I even necessarily want to ever be married again, and just let it play out. Maybe one of them will stick and be good in the in between way. 

 

Actually, def' not to say all that is for sure you'd run a mile in that department but some can be the most incredible marriage material you'd ever find. My woman's an incredible partner in every poss way plus 50 more most couldn't even imagine.She's also absolute die hard loyal and one of the kindest people you'd ever meet and very very intelligent. lt's not that men wouldn't like her at first, get sick of them eye balling her actually and she also has a real way about her on the surface they just love instantly not many women have, give them a few hrs though and they'd just be totally lost.

l suppose you could say it all depends on to what degrees and in what areas their issues might be.

 

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On 5/15/2022 at 5:38 AM, DirectionUncertain said:

They often complain about the guys in their age bracket sucking. Treating them poorly. And I guess since I treat them nicely, they are drawn in or something.

Are you sure that the guys their age treat them poorly or is this just the perception of the women who have personality disorders? 

I think it could equally be argued that a lot of guys want a stable, solid girlfriend and simply won't buy into the drama and show these women the door...or stand up for themselves.  And because they won't hesitate to call those women out for their behaviour, they see the men as 'sucky'.  

I'm sure you treat them nicely, but you likely tolerate a lot more questionable behaviour than other men do.

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That sort of thing you run like hell from and def' don't go getting into a relationship with and also certain disorders.

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11 hours ago, S2B said:

See a professional therapist for help..

if you have such a need to help others - volunteer! That way you step in and step out

Agree. Put your desire to help others to good use. Make sure that you are not exploiting those with mental health issues. Altruism is selfless it doesn't include weaving things into dating situations.

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13 hours ago, S2B said:

See a professional therapist for help.

ask for help…with your lack of boundaries and your need to be a knight in shining armor.

if you have such a need to help others - volunteer! That way you step in and step out!

why can’t you allow others to “fix/solve” their own problems? It is THEIRS to fix, not yours!

No, thanks.  I’ll leave the mental health system for people who actually have real problems. This is a love shack type thing.  Not something to waste valuable mental health resources on.  There are people with severe depression, suicidal ideation, personality disorders, people who lost loved ones, etc.  There aren’t  even enough mental health professionals to help them all, not is there access to the system financially for many of them.  It would be foolish to waste the resources on basically nothing. 
 

I don’t want to work more.  I have enough work and don’t need another commitment. So I’m not liking this post. 
 

Finally...  “let” others fix their problems?  I’m not in control of any of that. I can’t “let” or not let anything happen inside another person.  
 

I think you are way, WAY off here.  

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8 hours ago, basil67 said:

Are you sure that the guys their age treat them poorly or is this just the perception of the women who have personality disorders? 

I think it could equally be argued that a lot of guys want a stable, solid girlfriend and simply won't buy into the drama and show these women the door...or stand up for themselves.  And because they won't hesitate to call those women out for their behaviour, they see the men as 'sucky'.  

I'm sure you treat them nicely, but you likely tolerate a lot more questionable behaviour than other men do.

I’m very sure.  I’m not even talking about just these ones that latch on to me. I’m talking about lots and lots of them. Their friends. Etc. Do you know anybody that’s in their 20s right now? Talk to them. Ask them how the dating situation is. Ask them how guys are treating them.  Between the incels and “make me a sandwich” types and the bros, they have it rough and that’s why many of them prefer older guys. Many younger guys are just not treating them with respect.  Something went wrong. Younger guys are not being as kind and thoughtful toward women in their experience.  I hear it all the time. It’s certainly a trend, rather than an isolated incident. 
 

I agree with your second paragraph. That’s kind of the point of my whole post. I’m trying to decide if I should be not allowing another one through the door.  I figure I’ll give this last one a chance and then stop.  But, it’s not like I pick complete train wrecks. It’s just that they are broken within. They seem to be raging against themselves rather than other people. That’s what depression does. It makes people feel bad about themselves.  This doesn’t really extend into the relationship as far as you would think. It affects the person with depression much more. The other person is not as affected. you lose a little bit of joy of having a nice day together sometimes because the person with depression is upset and can’t feel the good fun times.  However, I only choose people who are incredibly nice on the inside. As in, they are usually sensitive, wouldn’t hurt a fly, have love and respect for their partner, things like that. I’m sure there are mental health cases who are dangerous and sketchy and whatever. I don’t go near those types of people. I don’t like drama or violence. So I stay away from these people.  It seems to be a very specific type of nice person I like. But, they typically seem to have something wrong inside also. 
 

you’d be surprised. I don’t tolerate a lot of stuff. Lol they have to bend to my way of living. As mentioned earlier, no violence. No outbursts of anger. I mean, yes, punch the mattress with a pillow if you’re having one of those days, but you can’t be breaking things in the house. You can’t be violent or threaten me in anyway. I do not tolerate violence in any shape or form within my household. And if anyone was like that, they’d be out the door instantly. No room for that whatsoever.  I also live a pretty strange lifestyle. I’m a minimalist and a traveler. So, they have to get used to that. I’m not changing for anybody. I’m too old for that. Lol rather be single. I don’t do much in the departments of holidays and stuff. There are plenty of things I do that they have to adapt to if they are coming into my world.  So, you’d be very surprised. I don’t actually tolerate anything that’s way out of line. Of course, if they are depressed and not feeling well, I don’t just tolerate that, I try to help them build self-esteem and feel better. I try to get them to eat well. Stay in shape. Get some enjoyment out of life. To show them that it’s not their fault that they are depressed, that they are indeed a good, important , valuable and loved person.  That they deserve to be loved.   I try to unlock their ability to enjoy life again.

 

And I say all this not as an ongoing plan. But as a reflection. I’m reflecting back and looking at what I have done in the past. Not what I will do in the future or some kind of set of rules I am adhering to. This is just an analysis of my previous behavior.

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1 hour ago, DirectionUncertain said:

Do you know anybody that’s in their 20s right now? Talk to them. Ask them how the dating situation is. Ask them how guys are treating them.  Between the incels and “make me a sandwich” types and the bros, they have it rough and that’s why many of them prefer older guys. Many younger guys are just not treating them with respect.  Something went wrong. Younger guys are not being as kind and thoughtful toward women in their experience.  I hear it all the time. It’s certainly a trend, rather than an isolated incident. 

Umm yes, I have a 22yo daughter and we talk a lot about dating. She's an over sharer.   For a young man to get a date with her, he must be tertiary educated like her and share her progressive views, so the "make me a sandwich" types, incels and bros wouldn't get a date.  She also rules out guys who are more than four years older, those who can't use grammar (with likely exceptions for those who have English as a second language) ,  men's who's opening photo on a dating app shows him shirtless with muscles, men who get wigged out by her forthrightness or who are uncomfortable with the fact that she has some LGBQTI friends in her friendship group.  

Due to her strong screening process, her only negative comments after failed dates is that it just didn't work.  It's not about her being treated badly or him being a  Neanderthal, it's more that the connection was stilted and there was no vibe.  She's presently very happy in a relationship with a 26yo who we thoroughly approve of and who adores her and treats her well.  Because she's got a tight screening process, she doesn't get loads of dates, but she's happy to spare herself dates with those who simply won't be compatible.   She's never complained about "having it rough"

My daughter isn't the outlier here.  Her female friends are all intelligent and sensible young women who are in relationships lovely boys who treat them well and who behave in a respectful manner.  Much the same can be said for the young women who are daughters of women I'm friends with.  I'm simply not hearing parents of young women talking about what a hard time their girls are having. 

For what it's worth, when a person of one gender complains about all of another gender, I will always see the complainer as the one with an issue.  There are far too many good people out there for their complaint to have any credence.

 

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16 minutes ago, basil67 said:

Umm yes, I have a 22yo daughter and we talk a lot about dating. She's an over sharer.   For a young man to get a date with her, he must be tertiary educated like her and share her progressive views, so the "make me a sandwich" types, incels and bros wouldn't get a date.  She also rules out guys who are more than four years older, those who can't use grammar (with likely exceptions for those who have English as a second language) ,  men's who's opening photo on a dating app shows him shirtless with muscles, men who get wigged out by her forthrightness or who are uncomfortable with the fact that she has some LGBQTI friends in her friendship group.  

Due to her strong screening process, her only negative comments after failed dates is that it just didn't work.  It's not about her being treated badly or him being a  Neanderthal, it's more that the connection was stilted and there was no vibe.  She's presently very happy in a relationship with a 26yo who we thoroughly approve of and who adores her and treats her well.  Because she's got a tight screening process, she doesn't get loads of dates, but she's happy to spare herself dates with those who simply won't be compatible.   She's never complained about "having it rough"

My daughter isn't the outlier here.  Her female friends are all intelligent and sensible young women who are in relationships lovely boys who treat them well and who behave in a respectful manner.  Much the same can be said for the young women who are daughters of women I'm friends with.  I'm simply not hearing parents of young women talking about what a hard time their girls are having. 

For what it's worth, when a person of one gender complains about all of another gender, I will always see the complainer as the one with an issue.  There are far too many good people out there for their complaint to have any credence.

 


that’s great! I’m happy to hear your daughter is having a good experience in the dating pool, other than the ones not working out just because they aren’t a good match.

I guess we have two very separate sets of data here we are looking at. Probably, mine is just skewed because the people I talk to are the ones that are dissatisfied.  If they weren’t dissatisfied, they wouldn’t be talking to me.

also, maybe these are the ones that just prefer age gap dating. So naturally, they are a lot less interested in people their own age. That makes them more critical of the people their own age. It’s odd that their friends feel the same way, but maybe people come in groups. I don’t know.

It’s funny though. I don’t remember any girls when I was younger that were interested in age gap dating. I don’t remember anyone blowing me off for older guys. Then again, maybe they blew me off in advance and I never met them. Lol

 

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l'd just like to clarify a few things in my situation as it's very hard to explain and l don't want to give the wrong impression given some of the things being brought up through the thread. My partner is very well educated and quite successful to actually, and we'd both been married 20yrs and still on vg terms with our ex's. She's by no means of the train wreck variety or in need of anyone, not mentally or financially. She is a complex lady though which l adore actually but it's only really in those ways many men might have some trouble with. She does have a disorder but she knows how to handle that herself and needs no help from anyone in that department apart from a bit of understanding maybe, from anyone close to her at times.

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On 5/13/2022 at 2:18 PM, DirectionUncertain said:

Excellent question. 
 

I think I thoroughly enjoy helping people.  It breaks my heart to see people struggling and I want to help.  
 

I’m patient.   I listen.  And these women are usually as attractive as it gets and that pulls you in too.  They know how to be injured puppy dogs.   
 

I don’t know how to help myself.  It’s like a perfect storm.  
 

Also, they are intense!  When they love, they LOVE.   They are wonderful in many ways.   But not.

Well that's very noble, but you could find healthier ways to help people.  You could go into social work as a profession or volunteer at various places such as a battered women's shelter.  You don't have to incorporate it into your interpersonal romantic relationships too.  You sound a lot like me a few years back.  I used to want to help women with serious psychological issues too.

And I wouldn't take what others said as an insult.  Pretty much everyone could use therapy, it's not just for people with suicidal ideation or severe mental illness.  I'm a staunch advocate of everyone talking to a therapist if for no other reason than to get a clean bill of mental health.  We wouldn't assume that we have no underlying health issues without having a physical checkup on a regular basis, so the same should go for our minds.

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The issue is within you. 
do contract actions compared to the way you’ve ever done before.

 

opposite actions give opposite results. 

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