Outcast Posted October 25, 2005 Share Posted October 25, 2005 Believing in Christ as a guarantee of salvation is not taught by any church, established or otherwise. Maybe not as a guarantee but there are definitely churches that teach that faith and not good works is the key; some almost preach against good works! Link to post Share on other sites
Apex Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 How do you really know your a good person without breaking the Ten commandments?This doesn't make sense. Don't get me wrong, you can't get saved by good works, only by believing in Jesus.It isn't the acts of charity but your motivation for it. If it wasn't done for God, then that person already recieved reward in full. I am a true Christian, not Catholic or whatever.Apparently, this was intended to infuriate. I won't take the bait. It isn't the denomination or sect that determines whether or not a person is saved. Link to post Share on other sites
Apex Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Meaning they don't follow the WHOLE Bible, no other books to go along with it, they missinterpet the Scriptues, etc.I heard that pitch before. How long was Jesus dead before his resurrection? Are we allowed to eat meat? Link to post Share on other sites
lindya Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I'm just telling the TRUTH weather you like it or not. Doesn't matter if you think 'it's just my opinion or religion' IT'S THE TRUTH. I was going to argue, until I saw that you'd capitalised the words "it's the truth". I guess I'll just have to spend the whole weekend repenting and self-flagellating. Again. Link to post Share on other sites
d'Arthez Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 What I ment when I say 'I am a true Christian' means the other kinds of denominations are just going about it the wrong way. Which proves your denomination is certainly not flawless, and I am not talking about the humans who believe in that particular denomination. Meaning they don't follow the WHOLE Bible, no other books to go along with it, they missinterpet the Scriptues, etc. Interpretation is per definition subject to misinterpretation. Otherwise the whole Bible would have been a list of 7031 Commandments, formulated with mathematical precision. When humans interpret they make mistakes. It is therefore presumptious to think that you are certainly not making mistakes in interpretation. I'm just telling the TRUTH weather you like it or not. Doesn't matter if you think 'it's just my opinion or religion' IT'S THE TRUTH. No offense to the truly religious people, in what follows. Paranoid people, and people who suffer from delusions think the same, and cannot make the distinctions between reality and the truth of their thoughts. They are one. That is not healthy. Link to post Share on other sites
littlekitty Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I was going to argue, until I saw that you'd capitalised the words "it's the truth". I guess I'll just have to spend the whole weekend repenting and self-flagellating. Again. Link to post Share on other sites
ButtonPusher Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 What I ment when I say 'I am a true Christian' means the other kinds of denominations are just going about it the wrong way. Meaning they don't follow the WHOLE Bible, no other books to go along with it, they missinterpet the Scriptues, etc. I could go on forever. And no I am not a good person by far. I'm just telling the TRUTH weather you like it or not. Doesn't matter if you think 'it's just my opinion or religion' IT'S THE TRUTH. :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Link to post Share on other sites
lindya Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 If it's God looking at you, noone is, "good" enough to enter His kingdom. Moose, how would you feel if you heard one of your children say.... "Nothing we do is enough for Dad. He doesn't think good enough, and he never will."? Is that the sort of father you would want to be? Is that the sort of father you think God would want to be? Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I'm far from an angel but deep down I have a good heart. Link to post Share on other sites
ReluctantRomeo Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I was going to argue, until I saw that you'd capitalised the words "it's the truth". I guess I'll just have to spend the whole weekend repenting and self-flagellating. Again. How comes you never invite me to these weekends? Link to post Share on other sites
ReluctantRomeo Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Moose, how would you feel if you heard one of your children say.... "Nothing we do is enough for Dad. He doesn't think good enough, and he never will."? If my understanding of the Bible is correct, I think the point is that God doesn't want us to complacently award ourselves nice labels: "we're good... oooh and they're baaaad". All of us are a mixture of good and bad, and need to face up to this. "I'm a good person" always seems to me to be an attempt to avoid facing up to the bad. Link to post Share on other sites
lindya Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 How comes you never invite me to these weekends? I'll be doing my European tour next year. Tickets available from January onwards...venues yet to be arranged. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Moose, how would you feel if you heard one of your children say.... "Nothing we do is enough for Dad. He doesn't think good enough, and he never will."? Is that the sort of father you would want to be? Is that the sort of father you think God would want to be?Why not? Let's rephrase your statement: "Nothing we do is enough for God. He doesn't think we're good enough, and because of the sin of man, He never will." That's why Jesus was sent, took my place and paid my sin debt, rose again, and left us with His Holy Spirit. That's what me and my house believe. I'm fine with that..... Link to post Share on other sites
ThumbingMyWay Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 That's why Jesus was sent, took my place and paid my sin debt, rose again, and left us with His Holy Spirit. That's what me and my house believe. I'm fine with that..... that pretty much sums up Romans 8 Link to post Share on other sites
lindya Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Why not? Let's rephrase your statement: "Nothing we do is enough for God. He doesn't think we're good enough, and because of the sin of man, He never will." Well, if it's a straight choice between a healthy psyche and a righteous soul, I guess I'll have to opt for the former. Link to post Share on other sites
slubberdegullion Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 You'll never believe this... http://www.uselessjunk.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2586 The story: Mom Has Major Meltdown On The Two-Part Season Premiere Of “Trading Spouses: Meet Your New Mommy” Two mothers with very different beliefs trade lives, leading to a dramatic homecoming, on the two-part season premiere of TRADING SPOUSES: MEET YOUR NEW MOMMY beginning Wednesday, Nov. 2 (9:00-10:00 PM ET/PT) on FOX. Marguerite Perrin of Ponchatoula, LA, and Jeanne D’amico-Flisher of Boxborough, MA, trade places to try out the ultimate life change – leaving their families to take over a clan from another walk of life. ... Perrin, a fiercely religious Christian, and her family are from Ponchatoula, LA – a town outside New Orleans. ... Perrin’s largest concern is with anyone who doesn’t have God in his or her life. She believes such people are lost and could negatively affect her children. ... In sharp contrast to Perrin, D’Amico-Flisher and her family are passionate about hypnotherapy, tarot cards and pressure healing. Husband Chris enjoys practicing astrology and believes that one’s astrological sign is his or her owner’s manual – that a person’s personality adheres to the rules of his or her Zodiac sign. ... That Perrin woman would scare the pants off of any rational human being. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I am not a religious person. I believe in god but I don't follow one specific type of faith. i have no problem with religious people as long as they don't try to force it on me and they don't get too nuts about it. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Well, if it's a straight choice between a healthy psyche and a righteous soul, I guess I'll have to opt for the former.What do you mean? Are you saying that it's unhealthy for my children to believe what they do? If so, I have to disagree. In fact, I feel that if they thought and believed the way society would have them do, it would be more destructive to them.....it's all about choice lindya....... Link to post Share on other sites
lindya Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 What do you mean? Are you saying that it's unhealthy for my children to believe what they do? If so, I have to disagree. In fact, I feel that if they thought and believed the way society would have them do, it would be more destructive to them.....it's all about choice lindya....... I believe that it's counterproductive to give young children the message that God doesn't believe they are "good enough" - or ever can be. Children take things very literally, and I can't see how a young child could hear that message and not feel hurt by it. Straight away, you're placing the child at a disadvantage (confidence wise) to kids who are being brought up with the very clear and positive message that they most certainly are good enough. It is all about choice....but strict interpretation of the bible wouldn't appear to leave much room for choice. Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Meaning they don't follow the WHOLE Bible, You certainly don't. Nobody alive today does. You go read Leviticus and then swear to me you live by 'every word in the Bible'. When was the last time you sacrificed a lamb and made a burnt offering? Anyone who tells you he lives by 'every word in the Bible' is lying. Period. I avoid these types like the plague. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 I believe that it's counterproductive to give young children the message that God doesn't believe they are "good enough" - or ever can be. Children take things very literally, and I can't see how a young child could hear that message and not feel hurt by it. Tough love. I refuse to lie to my kids.Straight away, you're placing the child at a disadvantage (confidence wise) to kids who are being brought up with the very clear and positive message that they most certainly are good enough.AHHH, but they aren't. That's a misconception, and you can place the blame on society. Noone is going to give a crap about my kids until they accomplish something. Then they can feel good about themselves, or that they're good for something......yes, I'm an a**h*** sometimes, but that's just the way it is. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 ....yes, I'm an a**h*** sometimes, but that's just the way it is. :lmao: Link to post Share on other sites
EnigmaXOXO Posted October 28, 2005 Share Posted October 28, 2005 Am I a good person? In all honesty, I don't think I could look to myself for that answer. We'd all like to think we are good people … but to know for sure we'd have to step outside of ourselves and see our own reflection the same way that other people do. I think the only way to know for sure is to ask every single person whose paths we've crossed…whose lives were touched, influenced or affected by us in some way. Would everyone we've ever met have something 'kind' to say about us? If there *is* a judgment day that we must all face in the end, how ironic would it be if we were judged not by G-d, but rather by a jury of our peers … those we either hurt or helped during our time here on earth. That "forgiveness" came not from Christ, but from those most deserving of our apologies. How confident might we all be in our own salvation then (???) In my case, it would probably be a hung jury. I'm almost certain my ex-husband would hold out that last vote to fry me. Link to post Share on other sites
smikey101 Posted November 24, 2005 Share Posted November 24, 2005 Hey.. my name is Ashley and i always went to church with my grandparents..you know..and it was good for me..and listening to my preacher..i do believe that you can be a good person when you only believe in God..you dont have to go to church every day just to know things about him or to shouw that you care..just as long as you pary to him and let him know that you belive in him... -Ashley- Link to post Share on other sites
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