suicide...selfish or not?

[lindya]

Euthanasia does exist for terminal humans in the USA..... it is usually done quietly with an OD of pain meds.

 

Yep. Common sense combined with a good dash of humanity is sometimes worth more than all the legal analysis and endless philosophical/ideological posturing in the world.

[lifeasiknowit]

All of a sudden I am reminded of the movie Million Dollar Baby. I believe in euthanasia under the right circumstances and yet I still had an ugly bawl for the last third of the movie up till the very end. It was a happy/sad ending. It was sad that she died but happy in that that was what she wanted.

[mini696]

I agree with almost everything you are saying here Life...

 

Mick

PS... Why did the shoes leave us?? :-(

[Outcast]

Very nice of you to spoil the ending for people who have never seen the movie.

[Nik2]

For all of you who believe it is selfish: Let me make one point.

 

Suicide is a decision. However there are cases of such extreme depression that the mind is not functioning nor making the correct decision.

There are even cases of such extreme depression where a person actually leaves the body for a short time to escape the pain. This is known as Astro projection. (Studied at the Duke University).

 

If you have the power to make the decision not to, but you choose to then it’s selfish.

 

I think the question should be more about resources. The medical field is a joke. There was a time when I was so depressed, I kept getting referred to other doctors because they did not have experience in what I went for.

Then they send you the bill for your one visit but you get know where. The only way you get help is when you flip out and by then it’s too late.

[bunnzy]

lifeasiknowit

 

I never meant to call depressed people 'insane'. If you had read 2 posts earlier you will find i know what it is like to feel depression and sinking into a bottomless pit of loneliness and despair can make me feel insane, i dont know if it does for you... thats just my experience.

 

As for the Abortion and Euthanasia, i didnt mean to change the thread topic, i i believe everyone is allowed their opinion, and we should respect that. I mentioned the Animal euthanasia because i personally have had to euthanise a pet, as well as some possums, wallabys and birds, here in australia i am a native wildlife carer. So sorry for hijacking the thread again.

[lifeasiknowit]

no worries, bunnzy. You are very polite and I appreciate that. Yeah, I guess I can sometimes feel insane when I'm that depressed, but then I try to avoid thinking of myself as insane at those moments, because well, it tends to make me feel worse.

[lifeasiknowit]

Very nice of you to spoil the ending for people who have never seen the movie.

 

 

whoops! Sorry! Um, if it helps, I had the ending spoiled for me before I watched the movie, and it didn't effect my experience of the film.

[lifeasiknowit]

For all of you who believe it is selfish: Let me make one point.

 

Suicide is a decision. However there are cases of such extreme depression that the mind is not functioning nor making the correct decision.

There are even cases of such extreme depression where a person actually leaves the body for a short time to escape the pain. This is known as Astro projection. (Studied at the Duke University).

 

If you have the power to make the decision not to, but you choose to then it’s selfish.

 

I think the question should be more about resources. The medical field is a joke. There was a time when I was so depressed, I kept getting referred to other doctors because they did not have experience in what I went for.

Then they send you the bill for your one visit but you get know where. The only way you get help is when you flip out and by then it’s too late.

 

I agree. I've always thought that for a person to be taken seriously by the medical profession, he or she has to be so far off the deep end that you can't help but notice the depression. But I think that kind of thinking is mostly due to guilt on the part of the depressed person. I've always thought, okay, maybe I'm not depressed until I'm slitting my wrists, ready to kill myself, maybe I'm just sad and weak and not able to deal and that's all. I know thats wrong, that so many people lead lives of quiet desperation and depression is not always obvious.

 

I'm thinking of this quote I read in Adbusters magazine last year that perfectly describes depression:

 

" For me everyday now is a very intimate kind of personal freedom fight. If I lose this fight then I know that in some profound sense, I'm a goner, a drone, hardly living anymore."

[Outcast]

I've always thought that for a person to be taken seriously by the medical profession, he or she has to be so far off the deep end that you can't help but notice the depression.

 

Not at all. If your own physician is like that, change doctors. There is a diagnostic process that even your family physician can use to diagnose depression. If he's not using it, he should be. By now most doctors are supposed to know that depression is a very common condition.

[airforcemama]

suicide is not selfish..you are very right. someone who is suicidal is not intentionally trying to hurt other people..theyre pain is so deep and overwhelming they cant exactly think straight. i have found myself in this state of mind quite a few times..i have stood on the side of the road and wanted to jump infront of the next car,i have grabbed a bottle of pills and then looked at myself in the mirror, ive been in the hospital due to an attempt..when i am doing these things, i cant sit there and think about how devastated my family would be..all that runs through my head is that the pain would stop.it would stop forever and that this is my only way out..after, when i have calmed myself down or someone has found me, i think about my family and how upset they already are when i was just thinking about it!! i think alot of people have these thoughts you have without being suicidal..i mean, if you are in pain and are thinking about these things..then there is a good possibility that you are suicidal..but like you already said, you would never ever do it..so i guess its normal..except the fact that you think about it so often..i dont know..get back at me if you like!

 

 

 

 

I've been thinking about this a lot. I think everyone at some point in their life has contemplated suicide. For me, I think about it maybe once a week, just as a passing thought, but I've also told myself that suicide is selfish, because it would hurt my family and destroy them. But most people when they do commit suicide, I think are so consumed by their own pain, and their perceived inability to deal with it, that they don't even think about anyone else. Suicide, is when one's own pain overwhelms and is more than one's available support system and resources. I don't think we can judge a person for killing himself or herself. Does anyone think suicide is wrong?

 

I don't consider myself suicidal, but I have weird random thoughts sometimes. Like sometimes when I'm waiting at a crosswalk, I think about what would happen if I just walked into traffic, what that would feel like, but I would NEVER do something like that. Do other people have these kind of fleeting thoughts or am I just mentally disturbed?

[choukyla]

What about ? Has anyone ever considering suicide but too scared ? Because worries that it will hurt alot when you die and not making it to death ?

 

I have thoughts about suicide but everytime I consider it, I am always too chicken to actually do it. Because I know it's going to hurt like hell.

 

And worries that if I don't die. I'll suffer the pain after.

 

Or if I don't die, the amount of crap I will get from people around me.

 

"Life sucks so much, I love to die. But too chicken to do it."