guys who smoke?

[Butternut]

This should be quite interesting. Please explain to us what these good effects are.

 

 

No problem

 

Well, first off, it tastes great! and smells better!

Also, say you're a commando behind enemy lines. The puffing of smoke on laser beams allows to you see them, and then limbo under them.

 

More importantly, its relaxing. Now theres the chemicals that actually calm your nerves and theres also the mental effect.

 

MOST importantly though, is the coolness factor.

Lots of un-tobacco things taste and smell great. A commando could use baby powder to get (basically) the same results. And you can beat off to relax.

BUT, When I smoke, I look ridiculously cool. Absolutely ridiculously cool!...like almost to the point of insane coolness! Its wild, and it gives me a rush.

[Art_Critic]

Well, first off, it tastes great! and smells better!

Also, say you're a commando behind enemy lines. The puffing of smoke on laser beams allows to you see them, and then limbo under them.

 

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[Lil Honey]

This is a good example of people who have never had an addiction. It sounds easy. Just don't buy them, right? Why waste the money, why spend every day being ostrizied for a "habit" no one likes anyway. Just stop, right?

 

You don't understand the addiction.

 

Your comments prove you have no clue.

 

I just want to be left alone.

 

If I stink, then don't stand near me. If you find it disgusting, then go away. And most of all, stop comparing cigarette's to choosing to buy a bag of potato chips.

 

First, I think it isn't the fact that non-smokers don't understand the addiction, it's the fact that we don't understand why you start. Or if you start and don't like it after a week or two, stop before it becomes a habit. I could be wrong, but I think smoking becomes an addiction after it has become a habit. (Speaking from personal experience.)

 

I generally do leave smokers alone, BUT I generally have to walk through a smoker's smoke in order to get into a building. So, while I'm not infringing on your space, you are infringing on mine.

 

I won't even get into the smoking vs eating debate . . .

[Butternut]

I totally agree... Smoking is BAD. ~End of Story~

 

Passive smoking is worse than active smoking. The main reason: Filters

 

Passive smokers do NOT have filters unlike active smokers. As a result, passive smokers are worse off than active smokers. The filter allows for chemicals to be filtered so that you can inhale the right chemicals and hence get that pleasant (not so pleasant really) smoke. Everyone else gets to inhale the trashy chemicals.

 

You know, its time I actually said it.

PASSIVE SMOKING IS NOT WORSE THAN ACTIVE SMOKING.

Does it make sense that it is worse to be around people who smoke then it is to actually smoke yourself?

IT DOESNT.

 

If so, then it would be HEALTHIER if EVERYONE smoked actively.

IT WOULDNT BE.

 

Besides, most of the smoke that is created by the cigarette (as in 99%) is sucked into the smokers lungs before being puffed into the air.

MEANING almost all of the smoke from a cig is DOUBLY-FILTERED before it reaches the passive smoker. Once by the filter the smoker is sucking it through, and once again by the lungs of the smoker.

The portion of smoke that burns off the end of the cig unfiltered is so tiny that it is barely worth consideration.

 

MY POINT:

Second hand smoke is bad.

Firsthand smoke is much worse.

Smoking in general is bad.

Dont smoke if you dont want to.

Righteously hate those who do smoke if you want to.

[Art_Critic]

From the aadac in canada

 

Second-Hand Smoke

Two-thirds of the smoke from a burning cigarette is not inhaled by the smoker but goes into the surrounding environment. Second-hand smoke or environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) has twice as much nicotine and tar as the smoke that smokers inhale. It also has five times the carbon monoxide. Fifty of its 4,000 chemicals are known to cause cancer.

 

Second-hand smoke and children

Children are particularly vulnerable to second-hand smoke because their lungs are still growing and developing. Children who are regularly exposed to second-hand smoke are at least 50% more likely to develop lung damage and breathing problems such as asthma. They also have a higher risk of developing emphysema as adults. In Alberta in 2003, 11% of children and 17% of youth were regularly exposed to second-hand smoke at home.

 

Second-hand smoke causes as many as 13% of all cases of middle ear disease (fluid in the middle ear) in Canadian preschoolers. Second-hand smoke also makes existing asthma worse and may contribute to respiratory diseases like bronchitis and pneumonia. Infants who were regularly exposed to second-hand smoke before birth are at increased risk of sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).

 

Second-hand smoke and adults

Prolonged second-hand smoke exposure during adulthood can lead to an increased risk of lung cancer. Second-hand smoke can cause coronary heart disease in non-smokers. Second-hand smoke causes about 10 times as many deaths from heart and blood vessel diseases as it does from lung cancer. For those who live with smokers, second-hand smoke increases the risk of death from heart disease by about 25%.

 

Quick Facts

11% of Alberta children and 17% of Alberta youth are regularly exposed to second-hand smoke in their homes.

Children regularly exposed to second-hand smoke are at least 50% more likely to develop lung damage and breathing problems such as asthma.

Second-hand smoke causes diseases of the lower respiratory tract, respiratory irritation, middle ear disease and worsened asthma in children.

It's estimated that more than one-third of sudden infant (SIDS) deaths are due to maternal tobacco use.

About 347 non-smokers die each year in Canada from second-hand smoke-related lung cancer, 3,470 from second-hand smoke-related heart disease.

Adult non-smokers living with smokers increase their risk of heart disease by about 25%.

[Sand&Water]

Thank you for the above post Art. It clears a lot of misconceptions.

 

Just as active smoking may cause certain diseases/illnesses, long-term passive smoking also triggers diseases/illnesses for adults and children.

 

In addition, check out government issued guidelines within your country that specify legal and illegal locations to smoke. Thanks

[Butternut]

From the aadac in canada

 

Second-Hand Smoke

Two-thirds of the smoke from a burning cigarette is not inhaled by the smoker but goes into the surrounding environment. Second-hand smoke or environmental tobacco smoke (ETS) has twice as much nicotine and tar as the smoke that smokers inhale. It also has five times the carbon monoxide. Fifty of its 4,000 chemicals are known to cause cancer.

 

Are you kidding? Two-thirds of the smoke?! Maybe the smokers they tested take 2-3 minute rests between puffs, but people who actually smoke don't let 66% of the flavor get away from them. Ok maybe not 99% of the smoke is inhaled. BUT unless you take ridiculously long intervals between puffs, ALMOST all the smoke is at least sucked through the filter.

[Outcast]

I think Butternut's joking. Nobody could possibly forward those points in seriousness.

[SmoochieFace]

Are you kidding? Two-thirds of the smoke?! Maybe the smokers they tested take 2-3 minute rests between puffs, but people who actually smoke don't let 66% of the flavor get away from them. Ok maybe not 99% of the smoke is inhaled. BUT unless you take ridiculously long intervals between puffs, ALMOST all the smoke is at least sucked through the filter.

 

Are you a scientist? Are you a researcher? Exactly how much time have you spent conducting studies on this?

 

I await your answers...

[Butternut]

Its kinda weird though, I guess I used to think that when someone said

"End of Story" it meant they werent going to talk anymore. Must be one of my many misconceptions.

[SmoochieFace]

Its kinda weird though, I guess I used to think that when someone said

"End of Story" it meant they werent going to talk anymore. Must be one of my many misconceptions.

 

Must be referring to someone else as I haven't used the words "End of Story."

 

ETA... yeah, it was Sand&Water who used those three words.

[Butternut]

I think Butternut's joking. Nobody could possibly forward those points in seriousness.

 

which points?

[Sand&Water]

Its kinda weird though, I guess I used to think that when someone said

"End of Story" it meant they werent going to talk anymore. Must be one of my many misconceptions.

 

When I said..."I totally agree... Smoking is BAD. ~End of Story~" = smoking is BAD, end of story for that issue.

 

However, it is still fair game for the other topics.

[Butternut]

Are you a scientist? Are you a researcher? Exactly how much time have you spent conducting studies on this?

 

I await your answers...

 

I am not a researcher.

I am not a scientist.

I am not even a 'heavy' smoker.

But i have common sense, and have smoked enough to know that much much more than 33% of the smoke from a cigarette is inhaled.

[Lil Honey]

MY POINT:

Second hand smoke is bad.

Firsthand smoke is much worse.

Smoking in general is bad.

Dont smoke if you dont want to.

Righteously hate those who do smoke if you want to.

 

Statements 1 - 3: Agreed.

Statement 4: Children in cars don't have a choice, do they?

Statement 5: I don't hate smokers. I hate what they do IF it affects me or their kids.

 

BTW, I've seen a LOT of people leave cigarettes in ashtrays. I've seen them holding them in their hand while they are talking, etc., etc. The only time I see a smoker puffing down a cigarette is when they are standing by the door in 10 degree weather outside of a building - and I've seen them smoke only part of a cigarette and throw the rest away. Oh, yeah and then complain that they don't have money for car insurance, gas, food . . .

[Art_Critic]

Are you kidding? Two-thirds of the smoke?! Maybe the smokers they tested take 2-3 minute rests between puffs, but people who actually smoke don't let 66% of the flavor get away from them. Ok maybe not 99% of the smoke is inhaled. BUT unless you take ridiculously long intervals between puffs, ALMOST all the smoke is at least sucked through the filter.

 

 

A smoker isn't sucking on the cig the whole time it is burning.. alot of times they burn more than half the time in an ashtray... All that smoke in the air not the smokers lungs

[Art_Critic]

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But i have common sense,

ahhhhh..... okay you have common sense

[Outcast]

But i have common sense

 

This is generally translated as "my mind is made up; don't bother me with damn facts"

[Walk]

Passive smokers do NOT have filters unlike active smokers. As a result, passive smokers are worse off than active smokers. The filter allows for chemicals to be filtered so that you can inhale the right chemicals and hence get that pleasant (not so pleasant really) smoke. Everyone else gets to inhale the trashy chemicals.

 

I've never understood how "passive smokers" are worse off. I inhale the smoke, then I breath the second hand smoke. So I, as a smoker, get all of it. Both first hand, and second.

 

Also, I do NOT agree with people who smoke in cars with children, or anywhere near children. I think those people are ignorant, and retarded!

 

As far as why people start. I was 18. I worked in a coffee shop where everyone smoked. I inhaled as much smoke as if I were smoking. A friend offered me one of hers, I tried it. First hit was wonderful. I loved the feeling. Almost euphoric. Smoked the whole cigarette, and never stopped smoking. Some of the other reasons were that I didn't care if I died, I didn't care what people thought, I didn't care if it killed me 20 years down the road because I didn't believe I'd live to see old age. And I always thought, "hell, I can quit any time I want". ha. right.

 

There are studies that show depressed people are more likely to smoke, or continue smoking. I was suicidal and majorly depressive when I was a teenager, young adult. I still have problems with it.

 

New research has suggested that there may be something in cigarette smoke that has antidepressant properties, which explains why cigarette smoking is much more common among depressed patients. A survey of 3,000 individuals in the St. Louis area confirmed that lifetime frequency of major depression was more common among smokers than nonsmokers (6.6 vs. 2.9 percent) This study also demonstrated that smokers who reported at least one episode of major depression were less likely to succeed in smoking cessation programs than smokers without depression (14 vs. 28 percent). These findings have been confirmed many times over.

 

There are thousands of chemicals other than nicotine constituents in cigarette smoke, of which one, or several, may affect mood in much the same way as a group of antidepressant medications called monoamine oxidase inhibitors or (MAOIs). These MAOIs effectively increase levels of specific neurotransmitters involved in the regulation of mood. Smoking, therefore, may be a way for depressed individuals to self-medicate depressive symptoms. Consequently, healthcare professionals who offer smoking cessation programs should offer depression screening and be prepared to address underlying mood disorders as part of a comprehensive smoking cessation program.

 

I didn't start because it was "cool", it was something you either did, or did not. But no one cared if you did/didn't. You weren't "uncool" if you didn't, or vice versa. So peer pressure was not a contributing factor for me. Ease of acquiring, getting a "feel good" feeling after inhaling, and (because my job had a LOT of down time) it gave me something to do while I waited.

 

You don't need to question why someone started. You are judging us on a false believe that the media and government has ingrained in your brain. You say you understand addiction, but you don't. You condem us for a habit that the government wants us to have.

 

The tax increase (cigarette's), given final approval Thursday by the state Senate, was signed hours later by Gov. Jennifer Granholm. It is a keystone in Granholm's plan to balance the state budget by eliminating a projected $1.2 billion deficit in the fiscal year beginning Oct. 1.

[Lil Honey]

Ummm . . . the tax increase doesn't support your statement that the government "wants you to have that habit." The tax increase generates income for the state while being an incentive to stop.

 

The government just keeps bringing in the money from the tobacco companies just as it does from alcohol companies and companies that aren't good for the environment (such as oil).

 

For me to question why someone started is at the forefront of my attempt to understand their individual reason. Yet you seem upset and claim that I don't understand. How do you know that I don't understand? My dad smoked three packs a day for several years. He saw a 60 Minutes program about oral cancers, laid down the pack, and quit cold-turkey. I started in high school - for about a month - then stopped.

 

As far as a first cigarette "tasting good," in my experience, the first one - the first several - don't taste good. If you really inhale, they make a non-smoker cough. A LOT.

[Butternut]

A smoker isn't sucking on the cig the whole time it is burning.. alot of times they burn more than half the time in an ashtray... All that smoke in the air not the smokers lungs

 

Alright, I've got an experiment for you. But first, I'm sure you're going to want to put on your hazmat suit.

Take a cigarette and measure off 2/3 of it (not including the length of the filter) and mark that point. Now go outside and find someplace not too windy (a breeze is ok).

Make sure it is clear of any and all human (and preferably also animal) life.

Now light the cig put it on an asstray (get it? they smell like ass), start the timer and.....

AND GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!

Really haul ass, your suit can only do so much.

Now get to a safe distance. AT LEAST a few hundred yards. If you can find a busy highway, stand in it (it may help with the experiment:confused: ). Now with your binoculars, look at the cigarette (I know, it hurts, but you can do it!). When in burns to the 2/3 mark. Stop the timer. What will you see?

You'll see how long it would take for someone to smoke a cigarette and not inhale 2/3 of the smoke.

How long is it? I dont know exactly, but it would take a long-ass time. Much longer than anyone with reasonable patience levels could/should spend smoking.

[Butternut]

Oh and I hope you're not still trying to say that passive smoking is worse than actively smoking. Because thats just asinine. Bold on the ASS.

[Butternut]

common sense

n.

1. Sound judgment not based on specialized knowledge

2. Having enough brains to be able to tell between 'facts' and stupid.

[Butternut]

I think Butternut's joking. Nobody could possibly forward those points in seriousness.

 

It's pretty obvious that not all my points have been 'forwarded in seriousness'.

Just to clear it up:

1. Smoking DOES taste great.

2. Smoking IS relaxing.

3. Passive smoking IS NOT worse than active smoking.

4. About looking RIDICULOUSLY COOL when you smoke, I was mostly just messing with smoochie. I know I look like a badass when I smoke, but I can't speak for everyone.

[Art_Critic]

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3. Passive smoking IS NOT worse than active smoking.

 

You can't read can you ?? go read the stats that I posted earlier.. passive smoke contains more carcinigens and nicotine than inhaled smoke.. Are you not understanding ???????

 

You are showing a real lack of knowledge about smoking.. maybe before you start making assumptions you need to do some homework..

 

will you invite us all to your funeral when you die of cancer later on in life ?