guys who smoke?

[JayKay]

I always find the argument 'well, you have to die of SOMETHING' rather illogical.

 

 

Yes, I could step into the middle of a busy six-lane highway ......or get behind the wheel when I'm falling-down drunk.....and make the same argument. "Well, gee willickers...you gotta die of SOMETHING, dontcha?"

 

Statistically, you increase your risk of certain cancers by smoking cigarettes. That's a fact.

Yes, you're going to die of SOMETHING. But maybe choosing to statistically reduce the chances of dying of a horrible type of lung cancer would be prudent in light of what current research shows us.

 

Sure, someone could still die of cancer at 65. But by not smoking, they may have PREVENTED a cancer occuring at age 48. That's the problem with prevention....it's hard to prove what was prevented.

 

Theoretically, a healthy lifestyle can add years to your life. If an extra twenty years isn't worth striving for (and if you don't mind exposing others to your second hand smoke) then smoke away, walk in traffic and drive drunk.

[JayKay]

And good grief....it doesn't take 'balls' to smoke!

 

It doesn't take balls to be bulimic, a binge eater or a heroin addict either!

 

It just takes the ability to become addicted to something.

 

And I'm not slamming smokers any more than I slam obese people. I just would recommend stop living in denial and start taking some degree of personal responsibility instead

[SmoochieFace]

I always find the argument 'well, you have to die of SOMETHING' rather illogical.

 

It's a very common way to justify a life of excessive risk-taking and unhealthy behaviour apparently.

[SmoochieFace]

I just would recommend stop living in denial and start taking some degree of personal responsibility instead

 

Completely agree here. Personal responsibility seems to be an *unpopular* concept these days.

 

And those who sue tobacco companies and fast food companies are the worst!

[Art_Critic]

Completely agree here. Personal responsibility seems to be an *unpopular* concept these days.

 

And those who sue tobacco companies and fast food companies are the worst!

 

I do agree with this to a point.. without the lawsuits of big tobacco companies we would still be in a world where tobbaco would still be considered the thing to do..

 

Even now they admit that tobbaco is addicting..

We wouldn't have that without the suits..

 

There is good that can come from evil..

[alphamale]

It's a very common way to justify a life of excessive risk-taking and unhealthy behaviour apparently.

what about all the people who engage in risky hobbies, or risky sports, or have risky jobs?

[whichwayisup]

My point is why KNOWINGLY do something that is detrimental to one's health in spite of all the readily available information demonstrating said detriments?

 

Because we do. We don't think and we want to enjoy the little things in life that yes, eventually could turn around and bite us in the bum! People aren't perfect, we make mistakes!

 

what about all the people who engage in risky hobbies, or risky sports, or have risky jobs?

 

Excellent point Alpha.

[Fun2BMe]

Completely agree here. Personal responsibility seems to be an *unpopular* concept these days.

 

And those who sue tobacco companies and fast food companies are the worst!

What about the personal responsibility of the companies you list? Why don't tobacco companies have to list the poisonous ingredients on their product? No responsibility there! (remember all those years they would say smoking is good for you? hmmm) When even a bottle of WATER is required to list the ingredients and nutritional value on each friggin bottle (take a look!).

 

Remember when tobacco companies would use cartoon characters like Joe the Camrel to get kids to smoke and put their billboards up at highschools? Well, it took a lawsuit to bring an end to that, but unfortunately many are still hooked on cigs from those "Joe" days. Their campaign paid off while it lasted and is rewarding them more than the lawsuit cost at the time.

 

Remember when McDonald's was being sued because for years, up until a couple of years ago, their french fries were fried in pork fat, then it went vegetable oil BUT they added pork fat to the fries themselves those sneaky bastards, and all the muslims and vegetarians and consumers didn't know, why? because the fast food companies are not required to be responsible and do not take it upon themselves to act responsible unless forced to do so, lilke threatened by lawsuits. All of a sudden McDs starts selling salads and healthy **** to gloss over their dark side that was coming to light.

 

And what about oil companies gauging prices?

 

Heck, these days if it takes "stupid" lawsuits to force some companies to act just a tiny bit accountable towards humans even if it is against their will, then I am all for it since they sadly do not voluntarily do it. Too bad there are a lot of legislation and bills currently underway to put a halt to these so-called frivilous lawsuits which take away from the profits of these irresponsible lying companies that take advantage of people. (ok, I had to get that out! )

[SmoochieFace]

what about all the people who engage in risky hobbies, or risky sports, or have risky jobs?

 

What about it?

[alphamale]

What about it?

I was watching this story on FOX about Jerome "THE BUS" Bettis who's a running back for Pittsburgh Steelers. His body takes four days to recover from a game on Sunday. Some NFL players become cripples after they retire from all the hits and stuff. These people are knowingly ruining their bodies to play football and earn a big paycheck. So should they stop doing something they like because it is risky?

[SmoochieFace]

Because we do. We don't think and we want to enjoy the little things in life that yes, eventually could turn around and bite us in the bum! People aren't perfect, we make mistakes!

 

"Because we do" is a cop-out. So you would do something and justify it simply because "that's what people do?" That, to me, is a huge sign of weakness in a person.

 

There are ways of *enjoying* life without destroying your health AND the health of others (passive smoking is actually WORSE than primary smoking).

 

People aren't perfect but at the same time they (well, most) have the capacity to learn from other people and their experiences. I learned first-hand from my grandmother what smoking can do. I was nine at the time.

 

Even if I didn't witness her death I probably would have stayed away from tobacco anyway. I knew well before my grandmother's death that smoking and chewing tobacco is terrible for one's health.

[SmoochieFace]

Some NFL players become cripples after they retire from all the hits and stuff. These people are knowingly ruining their bodies to play football and earn a big paycheck. So should they stop doing something they like because it is risky?

 

Good for them. I wouldn't do that to myself. I value my body and health enough to not do such things.

 

There are other ways of earning a *big paycheck*... not that earning a *big paycheck* is any goal of mine... besides playing sports. Of course, it's also quite possible that sports is the ONLY thing those people can do with their lives.

 

Should they stop? Who said anything about stopping it?

[whichwayisup]

"Because we do" is a cop-out. So you would do something and justify it simply because "that's what people do?" That, to me, is a huge sign of weakness in a person.

 

There are ways of *enjoying* life without destroying your health AND the health of others (passive smoking is actually WORSE than primary smoking).

 

People aren't perfect but at the same time they (well, most) have the capacity to learn from other people and their experiences. I learned first-hand from my grandmother what smoking can do. I was nine at the time.

 

Even if I didn't witness her death I probably would have stayed away from tobacco anyway. I knew well before my grandmother's death that smoking and chewing tobacco is terrible for one's health.

 

I was generalizing and it seems many good things in life (eating certain food, smoking, drinking, doing pot -whatever!) hurt us at some point.

 

I DO regret that I started smoking when I was younger. Now I'm addicted and trying to quit. Don't ever call me WEAK. YOU know nothing about me and my life. My father died of lung cancer, I was RIGHT there when he died, I saw first hand too, what he went through. So before you go assuming I'm a weak person, maybe consider what you say before typing it out. You can't go around saying people who won't quit or started smoking are weak people!

[SmoochieFace]

I was generalizing and it seems many good things in life (eating certain food, smoking, drinking, doing pot -whatever!) hurt us at some point.

 

I DO regret that I started smoking when I was younger. Now I'm addicted and trying to quit. Don't ever call me WEAK. YOU know nothing about me and my life. My father died of lung cancer, I was RIGHT there when he died, I saw first hand too, what he went through. So before you go assuming I'm a weak person, maybe consider what you say before typing it out. You can't go around saying people who won't quit or started smoking are weak people!

 

Your vituperative outbursts do not impress me one whit.

 

I stand by my assertion that people who succumb to *peer pressure* are weak. Whether you personally like it or not is irrelevant to me. Call me mean over it... oh well... I don't care.

 

"You can't go around saying people who won't quit or started smoking are weak people!" Oh really? Who or what says I can't? Some BS unwritten *social code*? It's my opinion... and I will state it whenever I wish. Whether it violates some unwritten *social code* or not isn't germaine. Yeah, I know it makes me an a**h***. I never said I was a *nice person* to begin with.

[alphamale]

I stand by my assertion that people who succumb to *peer pressure* are weak.

The term "peer pressure" is relative. One could make the argument that everyone wears clothes in public because of peer pressure. Or that one has a job, wife, and kids because of peer pressure.

[Art_Critic]

I stand by my assertion that people who succumb to *peer pressure* are weak. Whether you personally like it or not is irrelevant to me. Call me mean over it... oh well... I don't care.

 

Addiction is not about weakness.. When someone talks about addiction being a weakness it is because they are uneducated in addiction or unexperineced in its solutions.

Or they are battling addictions themselves and are in the denial phase.

[SmoochieFace]

The term "peer pressure" is relative. One could make the argument that everyone wears clothes in public because of peer pressure. Or that one has a job, wife, and kids because of peer pressure.

 

All right, since you wanna engage this even more, let's do this...

 

How about keeping this *discussion* to peer pressure when it comes to smoking (the original topic of this thread), drinking, drug use, and promiscuous sex. Forget about the *wearing clothes in public* bulls***. Dumb.

 

As far as having a spouse or kids... no-one *pressured* me into that so that's another dumbass comparison.

[SmoochieFace]

Addiction is not about weakness.. When someone talks about addiction being a weakness it is because they are uneducated in addiction or unexperineced in its solutions.

Or they are battling addictions themselves and are in the denial phase.

 

The addiction ITSELF isn't a sign of weakness - it's the succumbing to the first puff or drink. Peer pressure to START the activity that leads to addiction.

[Lil Honey]

Sure, someone could still die of cancer at 65. But by not smoking, they may have PREVENTED a cancer occuring at age 48. That's the problem with prevention....it's hard to prove what was prevented.

Exactly. A non-smoking person who dies at 65 did not have a choice. A 48 yo smoker who dies from cancer had the choice to smoke or not smoke.

 

What about the personal responsibility of the companies you list?

Companies are run by other people who don't care. They get their money from people who will buy their product simply because some commercial tells them to or because they see a popular person using it.

 

These people are knowingly ruining their bodies to play football and earn a big paycheck. So should they stop doing something they like because it is risky?

Hmmm . . . sounds like another choice to me. A poor one, IMHO. It's all about the money . . .

 

One could make the argument that everyone wears clothes in public because of peer pressure. Or that one has a job, wife, and kids because of peer pressure.

I'd have to say that the type of clothing one wears might reflect peer pressure. As far as a job, wife, and kids . . . some of those aren't good choices for specific people either. LOL

[SmoochieFace]

Companies are run by other people who don't care. They get their money from people who will buy their product simply because some commercial tells them to or because they see a popular person using it.

 

:lmao:

 

Once again, teevee and radio will be the things that will render the human race obsolete. Most people's brains have already turned to mush due to high media overload... now it'll just take the effects of all the garbage taken in via mouth and lung to finish 'em off!

[whichwayisup]

Your vituperative outbursts do not impress me one whit.

 

I stand by my assertion that people who succumb to *peer pressure* are weak. Whether you personally like it or not is irrelevant to me. Call me mean over it... oh well... I don't care.

 

"You can't go around saying people who won't quit or started smoking are weak people!" Oh really? Who or what says I can't? Some BS unwritten *social code*? It's my opinion... and I will state it whenever I wish. Whether it violates some unwritten *social code* or not isn't germaine. Yeah, I know it makes me an a**h***. I never said I was a *nice person* to begin with.

You have a huge ego if you think I was trying to impress you. Boy, you certainly think highly of yourself. You pissed me off, I reacted and hey, I thought (like most others on LS, but obviously I was wrong about you) maybe you'd be abit nicer, but as you say, you're an a**h***.

 

I guess it's quite lonely up there on judgement mountain, looking down on us "imperfect, weak" people eh?

 

Ah well, I'm done on this thread...Now I understand why so many LS'ers have put you on IGNORE Smoochie.

[SmoochieFace]

Have another smoke. You'll feel better.

 

Now I understand why so many LS'ers have put you on IGNORE Smoochie.

 

Awww... my heart really bleeds! Can't please everyone!

[SmoochieFace]

I guess it's quite lonely up there on judgement mountain, looking down on us "imperfect, weak" people eh?

 

At least the air is clean.

[Pyro]

Man, oh man. Where is outcast when you need her?

[whichwayisup]

Have another smoke. You'll feel better.

 

 

 

Awww... my heart really bleeds! Can't please everyone!

 

Thanks I will actually. Goes really nicely with my coffee!

 

No, you can't please everybody...Certainly noone from LS.