basil67 Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 10 minutes ago, Gebidozo said: Of course it’s servitude when you demand and expect from a woman to maintain a household just because “that’s what women are supposed to do and were always doing before feminists came to power”. And of course it’s not servitude when a woman does that voluntarily and joyfully, probably because she feels appreciated and reciprocated by her husband. And I would argue that the man will quite rightly feel like a slave if he's working all the time and his wife is not holding up her end of the deal with regards to the domestic work. *Of course, this is assuming that we're still in the 1960's when 'women's work' was a thing. These days most women are working and all things being fair, the couple shares the chores or outsources them 1 Link to post Share on other sites
tzorno Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 5 hours ago, basil67 said: And I would argue that the man will quite rightly feel like a slave if he's working all the time and his wife is not holding up her end of the deal with regards to the domestic work. Holds hand up in the classroom. Lol 2 Link to post Share on other sites
mark clemson Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) 13 hours ago, CollinW said: A foot fetishes isn't a preference, as all women have feet. I'm sorry but that's a really stupid comparison. What percentage would you say they do? You were the one claiming that what men want is "inherent". I'm pointing out that those inherent needs vary widely. I think what's stupid is the over-generalizing. 13 hours ago, CollinW said: Hypergamy is any dating strategy where women aim to date up or the most beneficial opportunity in her environment. Please. So it can be anything then. If a woman's goal is to show how woke she is or what have you, then dating a homeless guy to show how charitable she is (in her view) the most beneficial opportunity - and thus hypergamy? If she wants stability dating a cop with a reliable income is "hypergamy". You're diluting the meaning of the term to the point where it's meaningless. Here, let's just use google to get an ACTUAL reasonable definition. Quote hy·per·ga·my /hīˈpərɡəmē/ noun noun: hypergamy the action of marrying or forming a sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or educational background You're just trying lump dating for looks in with dating for money to support your (false and frankly ignorant) generalizations that women are "always trying to get something out more of a relationship" or whatever distorted view you seem to have developed. I'm not saying there aren't SOME who are, it's just the over-generalizing that gets you into trouble. 13 hours ago, CollinW said: You see how stupid that concept is? Your roles and responsibilities in a marriage shouldn't be contingent on how you feel in the moment. Since when do you get to dictate to everyone else what should control the roles and responsibilities in THEIR marriages? You see how stupid that concept is? Different women are going to have different things they can or will accept in a marriage. That's life - deal with it. Edited May 7 by mark clemson 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 43 minutes ago, mark clemson said: You see how stupid that concept is? Bold of you to assume that CollinW has the capability of seeing anything, considering that the thread title still seems to have escaped his notice. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mark clemson Posted May 7 Share Posted May 7 (edited) Well, he's allowed to state his opinion. If he could just recognize that he's over-generalizing (I'm going to guess based on some of his specific life experiences and likely not taking a more critical thinking eye to some of the manosphere echo chamber stuff) it would be no big deal. But he seems to want to dig his heels in on this "all women are hypergamous and women of today all have unreasonable attitudes toward marriage" stuff and not concede that it's only SOMETIMES true and that it's ALSO true that many women are sincere in their relationships and have quite realistic (and sometimes frankly overly-tolerant) attitudes toward married life. Perhaps an additional 10-15 years broadening his life experience with ACTUAL women (rather than the stereotypes being flaunted on some social media) will get him to see he's developed a biased view, dunno. Edited May 7 by mark clemson 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Gebidozo Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 7 hours ago, mark clemson said: Well, he's allowed to state his opinion. He definitely is, I just hope he doesn’t do it in my thread entitled “What should HUSBANDS do…”. It feels like Kyrie Irving participating in a thread about the circumnavigation of the Earth. 4 Link to post Share on other sites
basil67 Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 8 hours ago, mark clemson said: Well, he's allowed to state his opinion. Well there is our TOS and I reckon he's in breach of the rules around civility- group berating. Though without mods, TOS seems to be irrelevant now 2 Link to post Share on other sites
NuevoYorko Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 11 hours ago, Els said: Bold of you to assume that CollinW has the capability of seeing anything, considering that the thread title still seems to have escaped his notice. He's a throwback to the glory days of LS - remember? I know you do. 2 Link to post Share on other sites
Author Gebidozo Posted May 8 Author Share Posted May 8 3 hours ago, NuevoYorko said: He's a throwback to the glory days of LS - remember? I know you do. There were glory days? What were they like? Tell me more😊 Link to post Share on other sites
Els Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 16 hours ago, mark clemson said: Perhaps an additional 10-15 years broadening his life experience with ACTUAL women (rather than the stereotypes being flaunted on some social media) will get him to see he's developed a biased view, dunno. Haha, the dude has been on LS for 6 years and his views have stayed exactly the same throughout, so I'm not holding out hope for that. Regardless, I do appreciate you and the other men standing up against misogyny... I just feel like you might be speaking to a wall here. Unfortunately I rarely see people who have gone this far down the redpill rabbit hole come back up to the surface... the echo chamber's grip on them is just too strong. 5 hours ago, NuevoYorko said: He's a throwback to the glory days of LS - remember? I know you do. You know I do. 😂 Check out his "very first" post on LS... sure came out swinging. Think he has a previous username? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
mark clemson Posted May 8 Share Posted May 8 (edited) 13 hours ago, Gebidozo said: It feels like Kyrie Irving participating in a thread about the circumnavigation of the Earth. Yes, it seems like there must be a lot of confirmation bias going on there. If you can ignore all the counter-evidence I suppose people can believe whatever non-factual things they want. Some do it seems. Edited May 8 by mark clemson Link to post Share on other sites
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