Men need to stop being doormats

[Woggle]

This is not another one of my woman bashing threads because I am past that but I need to address something. It seems like over the past few years men have been becoming more sissified and this needs to stop. I see men on here making excuse for their wives cheating and actually waiting on the side while their women decide if they want to date another man or not. When did men let ourselves become neutered like this? It has gotten to the point where I even hear some feminists say they miss real men. Of course radical feminists have spent the last 30 years doing everything they could to neuter men but that is another thread.

 

Women don't respect us anymore and truth be told who will respect a doormat. We need to grow our balls back and stop taking crap. Women are not all nice and innocent and truth be told they can be worse than men. Some get a kick out of playing games with men and to many of them we are nothing but toys. I am sorry but it is the truth. I say treat women like equals and stop taking crap from them that you would never take from a man. Only commit to a woman and show your love and devotion if she is worth it. If she is worth it by all means give your all but if she is bringing nothing but misery into your life drop her like a bomb. Make sure that they are willing to give everything that they demand. Just know worth, get some self esteem and never accepted being treated like some disposable toy.

[JS17]

some things never change

[Woggle]

some things never change

 

Point out one thing in this thread that is misogynist.

[Touche]

I absolutely agree with everything you said BUT the reality is, is that there are just as many doormat women being used and abused by men.

 

Those of us who are doormats, need to stop and grow a spine. And those of us who mistreat the opposite sex need to stop. It's that simple.

 

BOTH sexes are guilty of bad behavior. Why confine your remarks to just women?

[loony]

some things never change

Truer words were not spoken.

 

LS is such a bad place to meet men, really. They are either passive-aggressive "nice" guys or they tell you how crappy women have become and anybody who doesn't agree with them is a radical feminist.

[loony]

Point out one thing in this thread that is misogynist.

Um, point out a thing that is not misogynist.

[Touche]

Why didn't you name your thread "Men and women need to stop being doormats?"

 

I mean read all the threads on this site...don't you see as many women being taken advantage of and being doormats as men?

[Woggle]

I absolutely agree with everything you said BUT the reality is, is that there are just as many doormat women being used and abused by men.

 

Those of us who are doormats, need to stop and grow a spine. And those of us who mistreat the opposite sex need to stop. It's that simple.

 

BOTH sexes are guilty of bad behavior. Why confine your remarks to just women?

 

Women are told that they should be strong and not put with crap but men in our society are pretty much neutered. I am sorry but it is the truth. It's like men have had all the testosterone sucked out of them. The funny thing is women don't seem to like the emasculated man because she can't depend on him. The little secret is that even the most independent women for the most part want to know they could depend on their men. Not that they want to be dependent but they need to know that they could. Strong women want strong men and most men these days are week and in many ways women made us this way. Feminists have tried to chip away at every bit of masculinity men had and now that they have succeeded most women do not find it appealing. I can't tell you how many women have told me I am a breath of fresh air because I am a successful man with a backbone. I had a FWB relationship with an executive who was sort of a radical feminist and she told me that it was so attractive that I was not afraid to put her in her place. Women are attracted to strength.

[Woggle]

Um, point out a thing that is not misogynist.

 

Find one quote that is misogynistic and show it to me. What is so sexist about saying men should have a backbone?

[Touche]

Women are told that they should be strong and not put with crap but men in our society are pretty much neutered. I am sorry but it is the truth. It's like men have had all the testosterone sucked out of them. The funny thing is women don't seem to like the emasculated man because she can't depend on him. The little secret is that even the most independent women for the most part want to know they could depend on their men. Not that they want to be dependent but they need to know that they could. Strong women want strong men and most men these days are week and in many ways women made us this way. Feminists have tried to chip away at every bit of masculinity men had and now that they have succeeded most women do not find it appealing. I can't tell you how many women have told me I am a breath of fresh air because I am a successful man with a backbone. I had a FWB relationship with an executive who was sort of a radical feminist and she told me that it was so attractive that I was not afraid to put her in her place. Women are attracted to strength.

 

I agree with everything you said. No argument there. And yes, I've always preferred a strong man. But the only thing I don't agree with is the idea that the feminazis have succeeded in emasculating men. Please! Any man who is REALLY a man...strong and independent is not going to "let" a woman emasculate him. It means he was never that strong to begin with...never had the balls at all. Don't you see that? Why blame women for the weak men out there? Did they hypnotize them into being weak or something?

 

Hell, I've had a man or two who were a bit too strong for my tastes and try as I would I couldn't tame them one little bit! So, really it's wrong to blame those women for how those men are. They were wimps all along. No one made them that way.

[JS17]

go into the abused section and ask all of those women about their "neutered" men.

 

You both fail to understand the fact that people are individuals. Some women can be doormats and so can some men. Some women want men stronger than them some women want men who they are stronger than. And vice versa. There is no societal formula. People are people.

[Woggle]

I agree with everything you said. No argument there. And yes, I've always preferred a strong man. But the only thing I don't agree with is the idea that the feminazis have succeeded in emasculating men. Please! Any man who is REALLY a man...strong and independent is not going to "let" a woman emasculate him. It means he was never that strong to begin with...never had the balls at all. Don't you see that? Why blame women for the weak men out there? Did they hypnotize them into being weak or something?

 

Hell, I've had a man or two who were a bit too strong for my tastes and try as I would I couldn't tame them one little bit! So, really it's wrong to blame those women for how those men are. They were wimps all along. No one made them that way.

 

I agree that men let it happen to ourselves but for the past 30 years we have been bombarded with images of how we need to be more sensitive. It has been repeated ad nauseum on Oprah and other outlets and men took the bait. Feminists may have laid the trap but we walked into it. I am not talking about all feminists either because some women genuinly want equality but still like men but most feminists today hate men and want to make into women with penises. They may not hate men persee but they hate mascuilinity. The thing though is that most women are attracted to masculinity just like most men are atttracted to femininity. That may sound sexist but it is the way it is. As far as being tamed no woman tames me because that would mean I am under control but I have found a woman who I can commit to and still retain my freedom which is a great thing for me.

[Woggle]

go into the abused section and ask all of those women about their "neutered" men.

 

You both fail to understand the fact that people are individuals. Some women can be doormats and so can some men. Some women want men stronger than them some women want men who they are stronger than. And vice versa. There is no societal formula. People are people.

 

An abusive man is a weak man. A man can stand his ground without being abusive. I never layed my hands on a woman.

[Touche]

See you yourself said you can't be "tamed." Weren't you bombarded with those same messages you claim those other guys were bombarded with? Why were you different? Why are the strong men I've been attracted to different? How did they escape with their balls intact?

 

You've proven my point. Those spineless men were that way to begin with. They were vulnerable to those messages to begin with. Those women aren't SO powerful that they can take a man with balls and emasculate him. Don't you see that?

 

Does it bother you that your sex has just as many weak individuals/doormats as the female sex does? It's true. There are and nobody MADE them that way.

[Outcast]

So, really it's wrong to blame those women for how those men are. They were wimps all along. No one made them that way.

 

Exactly. And in fact, it's pretty wimpy to blame women for 'making' men anything.

 

Now, mr. 'genius', let's go over your logic.

 

It seems like over the past few years men have been becoming more sissified and this needs to stop. I see men on here making excuse for their wives cheating and actually waiting on the side while their women decide if they want to date another man or not

 

Newsflash: THIS IS A LOVE PROBLEMS SITE This is where people who have problems will come. Many people who have problems have in some ways been the engineers of their own problems because of their own issues. None of this indicates that 'men have been sissified'.

 

When did men let ourselves become neutered like this?

 

Oh puleeeeze. You can't be made a doormat unless you lie down. That's a personal decision and it's the ultimate in wimpness to blame others for your own issues.

 

Of course radical feminists have spent the last 30 years doing everything they could to neuter men but that is another thread.

 

Oh really. Well let's have the evidence, please. Please send along the documentation that indicates that 'radical feminists' exist in droves and that they have concocted some grand scheme to 'feminize' men.

 

Women are not all nice and innocent and truth be told they can be worse than men. Some get a kick out of playing games with men and to many of them we are nothing but toys. I am sorry but it is the truth.

 

Look, Woggle, time to grow up. The world is a difficult place and there are nasty, unpleasant, awful MEN AND WOMEN. That some exist does not mean all of either gender is nasty, unpleasant, and awful. And a 'genius' should understand that there is no possible logical way to come up with your conclusion.

 

Women are told that they should be strong and not put with crap but men in our society are pretty much neutered. I am sorry but it is the truth.

 

I'm sorry, but it's a pack of bull.

 

The little secret is that even the most independent women for the most part want to know they could depend on their men.

 

The fact is that both genders want to know they can depend on their partners.

 

Feminists have tried to chip away at every bit of masculinity men had

 

Bull bull bull bull.

 

Women are attracted to strength.

 

Some women want to be dominated, yes. Not all. Some want the Alphas and Woggles in this world. Others don't . You're not the epitome of man IMHO. I'd certainly not be interested at all in someone who can make such blatantly illogical statements and seem to think they're supportable. However, you seem to have convinced yourself that you're THE sort of man all women want. I dispute that. My numero uno criterion for someone is intellect and that level of illogic doesn't jibe with high intellect so I'd not even give you the time of day.

 

I agree that men let it happen to ourselves but for the past 30 years we have been bombarded with images of how we need to be more sensitive

 

Oh boo hoo. You were asked to be considerate rather than selfish. Isn't that just horrible? Poor poor baby to have to give up being rude, selfish, and boorish and try to behave like a civilized human being. Such horrible hardship! I think it deserves a documentary - surely a tragedy to be equated with the worst of all human tragedies.

[Woggle]

See you yourself said you can't be "tamed." Weren't you bombarded with those same messages you claim those other guys were bombarded with? Why were you different? Why are the strong men I've been attracted to different? How did they escape with their balls intact?

 

You've proven my point. Those spineless men were that way to begin with. They were vulnerable to those messages to begin with. Those women aren't SO powerful that they can take a man with balls and emasculate him. Don't you see that?

 

Does it bother you that your sex has just as many weak individuals/doormats as the female sex does? It's true. There are and nobody MADE them that way.

 

I used to be a doormat but situations in my life made me grow a spine. Leaving home at 17 and having an abusive mother and weak father will do that to a guy. I didn't fully grow my spine until after my first marriage ended. My whole perspective on life changed after that and nothing but good has happened since. Many of these men are not even given a chance because we have so many fatherless homes these days and nobody is teaching a boy how to be a man.

[loony]

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[Woggle]

<<<Um, you just used them, because you were angry with your ex-wife, but that's ok, they were mean worthless gold diggers anyway. Or maybe they also had issues just like you. In any case, it completely justified your crappy behavior towards them. Congratulation, Woggle, you are truly one of the last decent men>>> For some reason I couldn't get this to show up on the quote but anyway.

 

I apologized to two of them and the 3rd one deserved what she got. She hated men and I hated women so we had hate sex. We took out out hate towards each other in the bedroom. She admitted to using men before I don't feel guilty.

[Touche]

I used to be a doormat but situations in my life made me grow a spine. Leaving home at 17 and having an abusive mother and weak father will do that to a guy. I didn't fully grow my spine until after my first marriage ended. My whole perspective on life changed after that and nothing but good has happened since. Many of these men are not even given a chance because we have so many fatherless homes these days and nobody is teaching a boy how to be a man.

 

That's true. About the fatherless homes. And you know what else. I used to be the WORST doormat (and I'm female). I think a lot of it has to do with growing up, gaining self-confidence, etc. I just got tired of being pushed around. Now, I'm completely the other way. My husband doesn't even believe me when I tell him how I used to be and how my ex-h used to dominate me and abuse me. He can't fathom it.

 

So for many of us, it's just a matter of growing up and learning and maturing. I never had an example growing up of a weak woman. My mother was NEVER that way, so I don't know why I was.

 

It's just too simplistic to blame the way some men are on messages from society and those feminists. I think you realize that. Look at your own situation. You were a doormat for reasons that had nothing to do with "society" and "messages." It was just your individual history that made you that way.

 

Maybe I was that way because of my own mother being a bit domineering. Who knows? But I just can't see saying that all those wimpy men are that way because of society.

 

Truthfully, in my life, I've only met a handful of "wimpy" men...for whatever reason, the ones I've met have been anything BUT.

 

Good for you for converting! Isn't it better this way? I don't miss my old self at ALL!

[Outcast]

And here we have two examples of dysfunctional coping strategies. People come out of dysfunctional families beaten down and, rather than developing healthy styles of dealing with life, turn to hostility and aggression to cope. This isn't the solution. If you had a rotten youth, get yourself to a counsellor to learn what you weren't taught by your parents. Turning arrogant and bombastic isn't being 'strong'; it's being arrogant and bombastic.

[Woggle]

That's true. About the fatherless homes. And you know what else. I used to be the WORST doormat (and I'm female). I think a lot of it has to do with growing up, gaining self-confidence, etc. I just got tired of being pushed around. Now, I'm completely the other way. My husband doesn't even believe me when I tell him how I used to be and how my ex-h used to dominate me and abuse me. He can't fathom it.

 

So for many of us, it's just a matter of growing up and learning and maturing. I never had an example growing up of a weak woman. My mother was NEVER that way, so I don't know why I was.

 

It's just too simplistic to blame the way some men are on messages from society and those feminists. I think you realize that. Look at your own situation. You were a doormat for reasons that had nothing to do with "society" and "messages." It was just your individual history that made you that way.

 

Maybe I was that way because of my own mother being a bit domineering. Who knows? But I just can't see saying that all those wimpy men are that way because of society.

 

Truthfully, in my life, I've only met a handful of "wimpy" men...for whatever reason, the ones I've met have been anything BUT.

 

Good for you for converting! Isn't it better this way? I don't miss my old self at ALL!

 

When I say feminists I don't mean the entire women's movement. Feminist is pretty much my generic term for malebashers.

 

The hardest part was learning to retain my backbone while still regaining the kind and giving nature that I had before. I admit I became an a**h*** for a while but I think I have found a balance. I have a woman in my life who I enjoy treating well and doing things for because I know she would do the same for me. I don't feel used or emasculated at all. I think growing a backbone helped me find this relationship.

[Touche]

"Two examples" Who are the two examples you speak of? Care to elaborate and backup your little outburst?

 

Talk about arrogance!

 

Oh...and my childhood was just fine thank you. Having a strong mother isn't a bad thing.

[Touche]

Hell, I don't care if you bash the women's movement! I think the whole thing is a crock of shyt anyway.

 

Sounds like you found your own kind of equality in your relationship. That's the way it should be. I'm one of those lucky ones too.

 

Does it sound like we need counseling? HA! HA!

[Woggle]

Hell, I don't care if you bash the women's movement! I think the whole thing is a crock of shyt anyway.

 

Sounds like you found your own kind of equality in your relationship. That's the way it should be. I'm one of those lucky ones too.

 

Does it sound like we need counseling? HA! HA!

 

I fully support equality between men and women. I am even pro-choice but mainstream feminism just went off the wall and gave the entire movement a bad name.

 

We don't need counseling. Both of us are in happy relationships and seem to be doing well. That's more than you can say for much of the rest of this board.

[Touche]

I fully support equality between men and women. I am even pro-choice but mainstream feminism just went off the wall and gave the entire movement a bad name.

 

We don't need counseling. Both of us are in happy relationships and seem to be doing well. That's more than you can say for much of the rest of this board.

 

Totally agree with you on both your statements.

 

As far as you know who...she's been hit and run on a few threads lately. Wonder what the deal is?

 

Yes about the whole feminism issue. I don't associate myself with those women at all. I'm a woman and I run from them! Can't imagine why any man would want anything to do with them. (Aren't they all lesbians anyway?)

 

Ducking for cover!