CaliGuy Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 This is totally bogus. Please don't listen to women-haters any more than you listen to man-haters. That, too, will give you a seriously warped attitude. It's partially right. Single mothers raising boys raise boys who act less like men than boys who had a strong fatherly influence. It's not based on women hating at all. Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 It's partially right. Single mothers raising boys raise boys who act less like men than boys who had a strong fatherly influence. Oh really? Please cite your sources. Link to post Share on other sites
Mary3 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 To the original OP. Enough of the garbage and bad advice. Why can't men stop reading those retarded books and just be themselves. ? A bolt of lightening won't strike you dead if you call a girl once a day. Horns won't grow through your head if you hold the car door open . 10,000 red ants wont bite you in multiple succession if you give a girl some flowers. Stop with this garbage already. We got clues about 3 years ago when all these books came out and you started playing " Hard to Get " It should be " Easy to Forget You " when you pull that crappyola. Link to post Share on other sites
loony Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I like nerds, but I want them to be also sexy and self-confident. I find it attractive if a man strives for more in his life and has goals, when he explores his limits and takes risks. In my opinion, MrB2006, you would be a great catch if you could get over your self-confidence problem and develop a stronger connection with your true self. You are smart and you have this sense for adventure that I like about men, but what differentiates you from men I felt attracted to is your lack of belief in yourself, the quiet self-assertiveness that is not aggressive or pushy but stands still and has confidence in itself. If on this thread I would have to recommend one poster as a rolemodel it would be Curmudgeon, the rest in my opinion is spouting too much how they have overcome their issues and are not doormats anymore, etc. I don't know how to call this behavior, but it's still not what women want. I'm starting to believe we will soon have a growing problem with a third group - supposedly reformed doormats. To comment on David DeAngelo's approach, as cygny said, I also found the lines cheesy. I think people should be careful with believing that cocky and funny are one women's criteria when choosing a mate. All these jokes and other gimmicks to catch a woman's attention in my opinion are just fluffy means to hide the fact that you have no goals in your life and are a bore with no other interests otherwise you wouldn't worry so much about catching her interest. What happened to the good old "And what's your job?" If I found someone like Marc Darcy who worked as a lawyer for human rights, the guy would have my instant attention and phone number. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Oh really? Please cite your sources. This is no to knock women but boys need a fatherly and male influence in their lives. Why do women have a hard time admitting this? Why the need to try to say fathers are useless? I will admit that women need a strong female influence so why not admit that men need a strong male role model in their life? Link to post Share on other sites
cygny Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Personally, I have been meeting many more arrogant jerks and a**holes who think they have all the player moves down, than i have been meeting wusses. it makes me long for the days when i had clingy guys all over me. seriously. i have become perhaps a bit jaded. so many books out there and now there is so much attitude. unless a guy can be light and friendly in his teasing, i'm tempted to bop him with a frying pan lol. Link to post Share on other sites
cygny Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 This is no to knock women but boys need a fatherly and male influence in their lives. Why do women have a hard time admitting this? Why the need to try to say fathers are useless? I will admit that women need a strong female influence so why not admit that men need a strong male role model in their life? i don't have a hard time admitting this and i think most women want the father to take a stronger role. but there are alot of men who don't want to take a stronger role, thinking its the woman's job while they go off to work or hang with their buds or play sports or whatever, or they just don't care at all. there are way too many absent or distanced fathers. my father certainly wasn't around as much as i would have liked, he was working all the time. he admitted it to me before he died. and that seems to be a pretty common situation. men need to take more responsibility for their fathering, IMO. Link to post Share on other sites
bluechocolate Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I remember that many psychologists are saying that too many men are being raised by their mothers and its becoming a problem. Too many mothers raising their sons, and the sons are becoming too weak and fearful of women. Tis a sad thing. And I remember that many psychologists are saying that single parent families are just as capable of raising well-balanced & adjusted children as the traditional family model. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 i don't have a hard time admitting this and i think most women want the father to take a stronger role. but there are alot of men who don't want to take a stronger role, thinking its the woman's job while they go off to work or hang with their buds or play sports or whatever, or they just don't care at all. there are way too many absent or distanced fathers. my father certainly wasn't around as much as i would have liked, he was working all the time. he admitted it to me before he died. and that seems to be a pretty common situation. men need to take more responsibility for their fathering, IMO. What you say makes sense but feminists have made it their mission in life to reduce fathers to nothing more than sperm donors and walking wallets. You think men have't picked up on that? You think we haven't gotten the message that we are considered useless and disposable in the family? Link to post Share on other sites
cygny Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I predict that the pendulum will swing all the way back over and the next marketing wave will be about winning her over by being a gentleman. ok guys here's your chance to make a million and be a relationship guru... any takers? curmudgeon? Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 I predict that the pendulum will swing all the way back over and the next marketing wave will be about winning her over by being a gentleman. ok guys here's your chance to make a million and be a relationship guru... Yeah things tend to swing back and forth. The problem is that nobody wants to be themselves today. That is problem with both genders. Look at all this botox and plastic surgery that some women are using these days. They are not happy with themselves and women have their dumb books as well. remember the rules? Link to post Share on other sites
mrB2006 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Loony, Yes, I agree about my self-confidence. But I am working on it. Little by little. And I am trying to accept my circumstances with my 'friend'. It is painful, but I have to move on. Life is looking better for me. And like I have said earlier she is not the be all and end all of my life. She is a person I will always remember. But enough is enough. My life is going to change drastically in the next two months. I will be 15,000 miles away from family and friends. I will be overseas for over two years. I am hoping that this new independence will help me grow as a person. I am hoping that by the time I am through with my service I will have grown emotionally, spiritually, and intellectually. Again, Thanks Loony MrB Link to post Share on other sites
bumbaclot Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Double Your Dating (419 KB - PDF) Link to post Share on other sites
loony Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Yeah things tend to swing back and forth. The problem is that nobody wants to be themselves today. That is problem with both genders. Look at all this botox and plastic surgery that some women are using these days. They are not happy with themselves and women have their dumb books as well. remember the rules? Next time stop telling us how beautiful and young looking your girlfriend is otherwise I'm inclined to believe that you also place value on superficial things. Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Next time stop telling us how beautiful and young looking your girlfriend is otherwise I'm inclined to believe that you also place value on superficial things. She looks that way naturally. Women who are too fake don't look good to me at all. They look plastic. Link to post Share on other sites
loony Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 She looks that way naturally. Women who are too fake don't look good to me at all. They look plastic. And why do they undergo all these painful procedures? They are driven by the wish to please the other gender, men like you who want beautiful and young looking women, so please stop being so hypocritical and criticizing them. Link to post Share on other sites
Mary3 Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 This stuff about teasing the women. Oh, thats like hitting me over the head with a piece of wood and laughing at my expense. Or saying mean words and then following with " Oh I am just kidding " ( for the record you are NOT kidding but following the truth backed by sarcasm ) I personally don't think teasing is funny. Why do you have to tease her ? Would you like to be teased ? Some times in rare moments a good friend can say something jokingly and you both laugh because you know she loves you. But a man who has to tease his date and use old cheesy lines because he read it in a book. Well I would tell you its not funny and neither are your pre-fab lines. Get a new approach . Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 And why do they undergo all these painful procedures? They are driven by the wish to please the other gender, men like you who want beautiful and young looking women, so please stop being so hypocritical and criticizing them. If I wanted a young looking women I would have dated a woman my own age. There is a reason I dated a woman 15 years my senior and it is not just looks. Real hair and real eyes get real guys and more women need to realize that. Link to post Share on other sites
loony Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 If I wanted a young looking women I would have dated a woman my own age. There is a reason I dated a woman 15 years my senior and it is not just looks. Real hair and real eyes get real guys and more women need to realize that. Then why do you always emphasize how great she looks for her age and that she looks much younger??? Would you have dated her if she looked like her age?? - Of course... Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Then why do you always emphasize how great she looks for her age and that she looks much younger??? Would you have dated her if she looked like her age?? - Of course... So now I am wrong for thinking my fiance is beautiful? Of course she looks great for her age? I probably would not have looked at her if she were ugly but then again I would never be able to get a date of I were broke so it evens out. Link to post Share on other sites
loony Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 So now I am wrong for thinking my fiance is beautiful? Of course she looks great for her age? I probably would not have looked at her if she were ugly but then again I would never be able to get a date of I were broke so it evens out. Then a) don't complain when women want to become more lovable by improving their looks, who knows how desperate your girlfriend would be if she wasn't blessed with good looks and b) how pitiful is it that your girlfriend wouldn't have taken you even if you were broke. Are you not the same guy who complained that women were so greedy? Link to post Share on other sites
slubberdegullion Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Woggle, buddy, you can't win this. Vanity is a powerful motivator, and some will use any excuse in the book - including blaming people of the opposite sex - to spend untold amounts of money on everything from makeup to surgery. It's not rational, I know, but since when are human beings rational? Gawd knows I'm not most of the time... Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Then a) don't complain when women want to become more lovable by improving their looks, who knows how desperate your girlfriend would be if she wasn't blessed with good looks and b) how pitiful is it that your girlfriend wouldn't have taken you even if you were broke. Are you not the same guy who complained that women were so greedy? Once you get to know somebody a deeper connection forms but she was good looking and I had money. That was the initial attraction though my fiance is pretty independent so I think she was attracted to my demeanor than my wallet. Once we got to know each other we fell in love. When I first met her she was nothing more than a piece of ass to me so the looks of course were what mattered at first. As far as money I have gotten laid just by flashing a stack of hundred dollar bills. Link to post Share on other sites
loony Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Woggle, buddy, you can't win this. Vanity is a powerful motivator, and some will use any excuse in the book - including blaming people of the opposite sex - to spend untold amounts of money on everything from makeup to surgery. Vanity? For freaking's sake, don't tell me that you know anything about stress when it comes to looks. Men can look like Quasimodo and still find a girlfriend. Look at the age ranges when it comes to online ads. Men so often will look for someone who could be their daughter! Link to post Share on other sites
Woggle Posted January 29, 2006 Share Posted January 29, 2006 Vanity? For freaking's sake, don't tell me that you know anything about stress when it comes to looks. Men can look like Quasimodo and still find a girlfriend. Look at the age ranges when it comes to online ads. Men so often will look for someone who could be their daughter! And a man can look like Brad Pitt but be broke and not be able to find a date. Link to post Share on other sites
Recommended Posts