bab Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 to see if you would get upset...... you say you did not but you also did prove my point by your statement that I do not know you ect. Hope you did not take offense.... Your response of "you don't know much about my life" is one I use myself when people tell me I am so lost without their religion. a4a No offense taken, , and I guess I never did say what I thought an "appropriate" response to such a person should be. I think your response is quite appropriate. The exact reason I don't get irritated is that people don't know me, and what my spiritual "status" is. It's not necessarily any of their business, but I don't mind if they seem to think it is. I actually have quite enjoyed our intellectual banter. Okay, off to a meeting, carry on!! Link to post Share on other sites
RainyDayWoman Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 yes it was to see if you would get upset...... you say you did not but you also did prove my point by your statement that I do not know you ect. i don't think that seemed upset...i had someone on ls basically tell me i was poor the other day. i indicated it was perfectly okay to think that i am poor, as he actually knows nothing about me, and so it doesn't bother me. i think that's what bab is getting at. i mean, who are we anyway? i could say i'm poor if i'm not, i could say i have blue hair, i could say i have a twin. what does it matter when no one ever knows anything and never will? i guess i just find it hard to get insulted by people i don't know who don't know me. i also do not generally like loudmouth christians. Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 perhaps we need to define what exactly is a loud mouth christian? one who sings in church too loud and off key? what is your definition of this stereotype? a4a Link to post Share on other sites
RainyDayWoman Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 one who sings in church too loud and off key? i was leaning towards this one, yes. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 now I am thinking of Falwell, Swaggert, and Robertson ....... picturing them all at a strip club with Bill O'Reilly doing the pole swinging and lap dances for them...... just great! Thanks a lot........ EEEEEEWWWWWWWWWW ... now I've got to go wash my brain with antibacterial soap, that is such a creepy thought :sick: Link to post Share on other sites
crazy_grl Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 i don't like loudmouths of any cause. My thoughts exactly. I don't like loudmouth anti-Christians any more than I like loudmouth Christians. Link to post Share on other sites
witabix Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Evangelists... is what that they are called? Could do without them really. You have your faith, this makes you happy, great. I believe that most people are basically good, so as long they wish to 'love' me in a christian way I have no problem. Its the threaten you with damnation types that get me up on my soapbox, and occasionally turn me into a loudmouth anti-theist. I enjoy a rational discussion on theology, or any other subject that I can chime into, but the emphasis is on rational. Link to post Share on other sites
Becoming Posted January 31, 2006 Share Posted January 31, 2006 Its the threaten you with damnation types Wit has the definition for me right here. I agree about enjoying a theological conversation, but there's just no rational discussion possible with some of these folks. In which case, I tell them I'm sorry, gotta run because I'm in the running for Popetta the First, and I need to study up on what they've just said. Usually shuts 'em right up. Link to post Share on other sites
penkitten Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 theres always a little group that makes everyone else look badly. the loud guy at the movies the nosey lady who works at the beauty shop who gossips the snobby lady at the hospital on her cell phone in a cell phone not allowed area the guy who parks in the fire lane at the store that old lady who eats grapes while doing her shopping the complaining couple that beat the welfare system and totally get away with it the neighbor that throws the loud parties and never gets in trouble come on, there are bad apples that make the whole tree look absurd, however, if you look, theres always a nice shiny apple hiding back there somewhere. Link to post Share on other sites
Bogun Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Its a result of all their sexual frustration. They either need to get laid more often, or come out of the closet and stop whacking off behind closed doors over the young sexy male pastor. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
HokeyReligions Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I've been to some churches that give assignments to members who volunteer for said assignments to 'recruit' people. They call it ministering to others, but they have to come back with the numbers of people they talked to and if they can, bring people to their church. "Uncle Jesus Wants YOU" Someone at my job has been posting about their church's "Kingdom Assignment" where members must spread the word. Another "Kingdom Assignment" is where the church gave each member who wanted to participate $100 and told them to do the best of God's work that they could with this and then report back. Some took the money and spent it on a family and others took it as a starting point for raising more money for a good cause, but each time they presented someone with an opportunity to donate it came with a very strong invitation to visit their church. That's the kind of loudmouth christian I don't like and they leave a bad taste. Then there are others who are simply proud of their faith and will talk about the good that their God has done through them and they are humble about it while at the same time shouting praise. Link to post Share on other sites
Becoming Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I've been to some churches that give assignments to members who volunteer for said assignments to 'recruit' people. They call it ministering to others, but they have to come back with the numbers of people they talked to and if they can, bring people to their church. "Uncle Jesus Wants YOU" Someone at my job has been posting about their church's "Kingdom Assignment" where members must spread the word. Another "Kingdom Assignment" is where the church gave each member who wanted to participate $100 and told them to do the best of God's work that they could with this and then report back. Some took the money and spent it on a family and others took it as a starting point for raising more money for a good cause, but each time they presented someone with an opportunity to donate it came with a very strong invitation to visit their church. That's the kind of loudmouth christian I don't like and they leave a bad taste. Then there are others who are simply proud of their faith and will talk about the good that their God has done through them and they are humble about it while at the same time shouting praise. This is weird. I had neighbors who went to a church that gave everyone who brought a visitor a pound of ground beef. Huh? you ask. It was "where's the beef" Sunday. Then again, I also had neighbors who used to get stoned and watch Ernest Aingley. He's the fat guy in a white suit who hits people on the forehead and yells, "Be healed!" When my daughter was 2 we taught her this technique. Someone would pick her up, and she'd slap 'em on the forehead and yell, "Be healed." It was pretty funny. Yes, there's therapy in my daughter's future. Link to post Share on other sites
Outcast Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 I stay away from organized religion because I will not be told by anyone how to think. I think for myself only and I don't need any *book* to *help* me in that. Smart people shouldn't believe myths. There are only a few 'organized religions' that purport to 'tell people what to think'. You should actually attend a service someday and eliminate your prejudices. Ignorance in anti-theism is every bit as bad as ignorance in theism. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Smart people shouldn't believe myths. There are only a few 'organized religions' that purport to 'tell people what to think'. You should actually attend a service someday and eliminate your prejudices. Ignorance in anti-theism is every bit as bad as ignorance in theism.Ok....now see....why did you have to go and say that???? To these smart people,( I like to include myself in this group if I may ), they aren't myths. And we don't appreciate people like you saying they are. It's insulting, and very disrespectful. If you want people to respect your opinions and thoughts, there's no need to be loudmouthed, smartmouthed, or disrespectful about it, and insult the other. This is how arguements are caused, and I personally believe that's what you're always out to do. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Becoming Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Ok....now see....why did you have to go and say that???? To these smart people,( I like to include myself in this group if I may ), they aren't myths. And we don't appreciate people like you saying they are. It's insulting, and very disrespectful. If you want people to respect your opinions and thoughts, there's no need to be loudmouthed, smartmouthed, or disrespectful about it, and insult the other. This is how arguements are caused, and I personally believe that's what you're always out to do. Um, Moose, I think she was talking about the myth that Christians want you to check your brain at the door. . . . Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Ok....now see....why did you have to go and say that???? To these smart people,( I like to include myself in this group if I may ), they aren't myths. And we don't appreciate people like you saying they are. It's insulting, and very disrespectful. If you want people to respect your opinions and thoughts, there's no need to be loudmouthed, smartmouthed, or disrespectful about it, and insult the other. This is how arguements are caused, and I personally believe that's what you're always out to do. So if I don't believe what you believe, I'm still supposed to act like I do? Gimme a break. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Um, Moose, I think she was talking about the myth that Christians want you to check your brain at the door. . . .Oh....well, it sure didn't sound like it....my bad.....So if I don't believe what you believe, I'm still supposed to act like I do? Gimme a break.No....not neccessarily. I would expect that if I don't go around saying what you believe in is a myth, then you shouldn't either. That's all..... Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 a little something called "mutual respect," even though you and I don't agree on each other's thoughts or ideas or beliefs. Sounds good to me. I don't think I've ever heard of giving away prizes for bringing people to church services, but then again, we shock people from other parts of the state where the Catholic faith is entrenched when we share the history of some of our churches and tell how the early faith communities would meet in funeral homes, in storefront buildings or even that Mass was celebrated outdoors with the priest's car dressed as an altar because there was no other place to go! I guess for those who are living the experience, it's nothing exceptional or extraordinary, while those looking on shake their heads in disbelief ... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Oh....well, it sure didn't sound like it....my bad..... No....not neccessarily. I would expect that if I don't go around saying what you believe in is a myth, then you shouldn't either. That's all..... Well of course not all people are going to believe the same things. By me saying that the belief in your god is a myth should not offend you. If you believe it, then good for you. I have a problem when people do not practice what they preach. Using god, beliefs, ect against non believers is common practice. Such as in protests ect. How is that fair? "you do not believe what I do (in god) therefore your actions or thoughts are wrong". I rarely see protestors outside a church stating "bible thumpers are retarded" because they believe in a myth. Tolerance must be on both sides if neither party is supposed to feel "insulted". a4a Link to post Share on other sites
newbby Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 i think people are only trying to do what they believe is best. the "loud mouthed" christians want to spread the joy that they have found within their faith. i think the thing that bothers me is the exclusion of all other possibilities of arriving at the same destination, i dont believe there is one way, as in one religion that can show the way. i do believe that people over complicate their own religions to the point that there can be no other way. then they get scared that everybody around them is lost and following the "wrong" path, thats when they try to resort to more desperate pushier means, and probably in that instant they actually lose sight of the basis of their own religion. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 By me saying that the belief in your god is a myth should not offend you.Well, for some reason it does. That hits the core with me. And it's not so much how you just said it....it's more of how it was originally presented, "Smart people, shouldn't believe myths." As if, smart people can't share my faith, or if they do, they shouldn't be considered, "smart". Does that make sense? It was the delivery that struck me wrong...Outcast is good at getting my goat..... Link to post Share on other sites
blind_otter Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 a little something called "mutual respect," even though you and I don't agree on each other's thoughts or ideas or beliefs. Sounds good to me. Since when is calling someone else's belief system mythical an insult? We do it to indigenous peoples all the time. People tend to assume that neutral terms are insulting or offensive when they themselves are defensive. I do it myself. And AFAIK the word "myth" is still neutral. I've never heard it used in terms of an insult before. And from context clues it didn't look as if it were intended to offend. So mutual respect, or mutual tolerance as I call it, IMO involves not getting defensive when someone uses neutral terminology that you happen to dislike, how am I supposed to know a word that I think is completely acceptible is insulting to people? I'm not psychic. I don't find it offensive. Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Since when is calling someone else's belief system mythical an insult? We do it to indigenous peoples all the time. People tend to assume that neutral terms are insulting or offensive when they themselves are defensive. I do it myself. And AFAIK the word "myth" is still neutral. I've never heard it used in terms of an insult before. And from context clues it didn't look as if it were intended to offend. So mutual respect, or mutual tolerance as I call it, IMO involves not getting defensive when someone uses neutral terminology that you happen to dislike, how am I supposed to know a word that I think is completely acceptible is insulting to people? I'm not psychic. I don't find it offensive.<<<<Please see above post #46>>>>> Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 Well, for some reason it does. That hits the core with me. And it's not so much how you just said it....it's more of how it was originally presented, "Smart people, shouldn't believe myths." As if, smart people can't share my faith, or if they do, they shouldn't be considered, "smart". Does that make sense? It was the delivery that struck me wrong...Outcast is good at getting my goat..... Smart People.....? Should be no insult there either. Some people may consider themselves "smart" but cannot figure out how to or think it is difficult to set up an ebay acct. (just an example Outcast). I do not think all christians are stupid..... far from it. I just thinkthat what they believe is so whacked out. Perhaps the same way many christians think that buddist or Hindus or Catholics are so whacked out. Or like you may think I am too stupid to believe in your god. There are stupid christians, stupid buddist, stupid catholics, and stupid atheists. a4a Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted February 1, 2006 Share Posted February 1, 2006 People tend to assume that neutral terms are insulting or offensive when they themselves are defensive. I do it myself. it's all in the matter of delivery. My faith and how I express it is no big secret on this board, and I don't get offended when someone says something to let me know they don't agree with it. However, taking potshots and telling me I'm wrong because I believe as I do is a whole other story. You saying Christianity is mythological, frankly, is an interesting comment (to me at least) because I want to know how you came to that conclusion. I can see where some of the traditions we adhere to, or even the belief that the Blessed Mother has appeared to people constitutes mythology even as I believe in those appearances. Some people, though, just heavy-foot the dialogue by being insulting in their opinions. you've heard it said that opinions are like *ssholes, everybody's got them? Well, nobody enjoys a stinky, dirty bunghole! Link to post Share on other sites
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