Me I Think Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 OP. I like many here would like to understand how you hate something you do not believe in. How you can be a satan worshiper if you do not believe in god. Unless you are one of those poor confused people who follow the f.c.o.s. "first church of satan" They call themselves satanist yet claim they do not believe in god or satan. They say they only use the term satanist as a label. I am well among the most antireligious. I have done many studies into many religions. I have read many posts in forums and sat in many chat rooms. I have read and heard religious views from all corners of the world regarding many different religions. I must say to me your post is one of a kind I have never heard anyone so blatantly and quickly contridict themselves. I think you need to ask yourself what is it that you really hate or is it fear being disguised as hate. because I can not concieve the idea of hating something that dose not exist. You mentioned that you ALSO hate white preachers.... what is this? The era of the f@cking KKK? coco I am sory but I had no choice but to laugh at that you sounded like my wife. She is from Detroit I see you are from New York as I have mentioned in other threads I live in the southeastern U.S. Where the KKK is still very much alive and very active. My wife when we were first married had no idea how things were in the south. Another thing that makes it funny for those who do not know the KKK is recognised by the U.S. Government as a "Religious Organisation" here where I live they hand out religious material on street corners although now they call themselves christian patriots or something like that. I know that was way off topic but I thought I would add that. and for the record before I am accused by anyone I am not in the KKK. In fact if I were a racist or biggot wich I am not. I would not be elligable for membership as I am not christian and the first step to joining is to profess faith in jesus. So rule one keeps me out now that I think of it the other rules probably do as well considering I am 3/4 Creek. Link to post Share on other sites
erika2610 Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Except, we are not dealing with a Salt movement with the British in India here, the Civil Rights movement, or some other movement in here - this is a message board, so what you are saying, by inferring judgements about my attitude or bible verses are unfounded. Nobody is going to have any impact with anyone here unless there are real people in the real offline world. What this forum is good for is engaging in intelligent discussion, and learning things. Now, people complain that I quote from a religious authority - but the reality is that anyone else here can quote from any authority they want to, including the Bible themselves - it is not my fault that other non-Christian people on this board believe in nothing and cant quote from anything. I think there have been constructive discussions, for example, with Moai on other threads. He is Atheist and yet we can engage in an intelligent discussion without it being degenerated into a bashing contest. If you compare that discussion to a4a and myself here you will see a stark contrast. Nobody is quoting from any other religious text, because they dont believe in it like I believe in the Bible - so if you say you were impressed with Malcom X, then its a wonder why his own religion killed him - how does that reflect? Malcom X was betrayed by his own faith. If you are impressed with Ghandi, then I guess you are reading up the Bagdivad Gita or something, right? I wouldn't, but if you are really impressed with Ghandi, I guess that is something you should be doing, right? Become a Hindu. You like these people, but have not converted to any of their religions, it is interesting. The real problem here are people, are people are jealous that I have a firm faith structure and they dont, so it is really a case of sour-grapes. I know what I believe. So this has nothing at all to do with a 'holier-than-thou' attitude. People are looking for a compromise of my position or stand of faith - and that is never going to happen. People die for their faith, and I hope it is that strong that even a bullet through my head wont even cause a waver. None of my posts to a4a from what I can recall were judgemental or exhibiting a 'holier-than-thou' attitude, however a4a's was just on a bashing contest, and it appears he is jealous like crazy because I have faith that the Bible is the true word of God, and that I believe Jesus Christ. Which incidentally he can too. What's bothersome is that the OP is apparently in pain.. you attacking him with Bible quotes isn't helping. He's obviously got some other deep seeded issues too. But you can't seem to reply to any thread without going on and on with your Bible quotes. Not everybody believes in God, and to some, what you're saying is offensive. Why can't you seem to say anythign without the 'Holier than thou' attitude, which ya do have? And a4a's a woman by the way.. Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Again, the only person on this thread that seems to have serious issues about what I believe is true is you. The energy that you are taking to try and make a point, is really expended trying to convince yourself of your own view point of the world. For the record, all my posts have been to the point, objective, while your posts are personal, redicolous and simply does not make any sence. In other words it is impossible to get into any intelligent dialogue with someone who has nothing better to do than to mock, jeer, or throw out garbage, and in a sence, it is a waste of time. No your posts only consist of bible quotes and telling people they will burn in hell. The reason I am even in this debate is because people like you (not those like Moose, Quack, and others) that use the bible to hurt not heal others. I do have christian friends, my best friend is christian. She will state from time to time : I know you do not believe and that is ok, but god does work through people........ you should try that approach. Of course she is tainted because she is a lesbian....a christian lesbian. It is your attacking manner that pisses me off not your belief. You are using your religion to hurt not help. If you were so strong in your own faith you would not need to defend it? If you wish to complain about mocking your religion, I am not mocking your religion I am looking at your delivery of rantings about the bible. Like Robertson saying the people in New Orleans deserved the hurricane......you are on that same path my dear friend. It is disturbing to me. My heart will not allow such hatred in the name of your god to go unchecked. Maybe your god put us in touch so I could help you? 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Moose Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Bogun, I disagree...You have that right. BUT, I said: "We'll see about that pal.....Satan has you FOOLED!!! You'll find this out the hard way.....", Because in my mind, it's true. NOT to put this person down. A warning if you will......I don't wish to see anyone get hurt... and...I said: "That's pretty sad. Especially since most people probably couldn't give a care what you are." Because AGAIN, it's TRUE! Most people couldn't care about someone like this. Did I say I was one of them???? NO!I care.And so do I! Ever seen an ostrich put its head in the sand, moose?Yeah....you look silly! Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCooler Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 The real problem here are people, are people are jealous that I have a firm faith structure and they dont, so it is really a case of sour-grapes. I know what I believe. So this has nothing at all to do with a 'holier-than-thou' attitude. People are looking for a compromise of my position or stand of faith - and that is never going to happen. that's not holier-than-thou? than i am unsure what is. no one wants you to compromise your faith. to be honest, no one cares directly about your faith. they want you to understand that not everyone wants to be you, or have whatever it is that you have. i believe in god, and i think you make him look bad. people who think like you do and say the things you do, in the name of god, are what make other people shun religion. i think you're just causing trouble. Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Thrawn Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 It is your attacking manner that pisses me off not your belief. You are using your religion to hurt not help. How so? If you were so strong in your own faith you would not need to defend it? By raising Bible scripture? If you wish to complain about mocking your religion, I am not mocking your religion I am looking at your delivery of rantings about the bible. Like Robertson saying the people in New Orleans deserved the hurricane......you are on that same path my dear friend. It is disturbing to me. My heart will not allow such hatred in the name of your god to go unchecked. Maybe your god put us in touch so I could help you? I wish to complain that we are unable to have an intelligent discussion. Moai and I have been talking in other threads, and he is an atheist, yet there is an intelligent discussion. Maybe it is because he is a guy and men reason better and women go to emotions and dont know what they are saying. I never knew you were a woman, when I found that out I had to say that figured. The fact of the matter is not that you mocked my religion by making up an abstract story, but the fact, you dont have anything yourself. You have to invent some fictional story, rather than quoting from the Quoran, or some other religious text - if you dont like Christianity, but when you start going on that bend, then you are making a mockery of all religions in general. Which is contrary to the ideals you wish to portray. The bible texts raised is quite neutral, and I think you are smokescreening issues by trying to portray me as hatedful. The fact is, I brought up a verse of scripture, that shows that everybody is going to bow down before Jesus Christ and declare Him as Lord, and there is nothing "hateful' about that. YOu didn't like that verse and started posting garbage, and that's when things went downhill on this thread. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Thrawn Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 that's not holier-than-thou? than i am unsure what is. no one wants you to compromise your faith. to be honest, no one cares directly about your faith. they want you to understand that not everyone wants to be you, or have whatever it is that you have. i believe in god, and i think you make him look bad. people who think like you do and say the things you do, in the name of god, are what make other people shun religion. i think you're just causing trouble. The fact is a4a picked a fight over a verse of scripture that was raised on this thread that was not hateful. I never posted out on this thread saying bad things to resentment006, or even said anything personal to the person who started this thread. So, I think people here do care about my faith since they are picking fights whenever I post. You can review the history of this thread yourself before spewing out nonsence. Link to post Share on other sites
d'Arthez Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I wish to complain that we are unable to have an intelligent discussion. Moai and I have been talking in other threads, and he is an atheist, yet there is an intelligent discussion. Not acknowledging the points of atheists is not a form of intelligent discussing Admiral. It is calling ignoring and pretending to have an intelligent discussion. Or in your case dictating what everyone should believe on the basis of "ancedontal" evidence. Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Thrawn Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 What's bothersome is that the OP is apparently in pain.. you attacking him with Bible quotes isn't helping. He's obviously got some other deep seeded issues too. But you can't seem to reply to any thread without going on and on with your Bible quotes. Not everybody believes in God, and to some, what you're saying is offensive. Why can't you seem to say anythign without the 'Holier than thou' attitude, which ya do have? And a4a's a woman by the way.. What is bothersome is anyone can help or post to resentment006 on this thread if they want to, yet they have choose to hijack this thread and talk about me instead because of what I believe. Link to post Share on other sites
d'Arthez Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 What is bothersome is anyone can help or post to resentment006 on this thread if they want to, yet they have choose to hijack this thread and talk about me instead because of what I believe. Read the sentence again, and consider your own contribution to this thread. Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Thrawn Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 Not acknowledging the points of atheists is not a form of intelligent discussing Admiral. It is calling ignoring and pretending to have an intelligent discussion. Or in your case dictating what everyone should believe on the basis of "ancedontal" evidence. An intelligent discussion does not mean someone is going to have to 'win' or 'lose' as the way you are making it out. The fact is Moai, and other people I have had intelligent discussions with are able to articulate their views without having to resort to attacking the messenger. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 How so? By raising Bible scripture? I wish to complain that we are unable to have an intelligent discussion. Moai and I have been talking in other threads, and he is an atheist, yet there is an intelligent discussion. Maybe it is because he is a guy and men reason better and women go to emotions and dont know what they are saying. I never knew you were a woman, when I found that out I had to say that figured. The fact of the matter is not that you mocked my religion by making up an abstract story, but the fact, you dont have anything yourself. You have to invent some fictional story, rather than quoting from the Quoran, or some other religious text - if you dont like Christianity, but when you start going on that bend, then you are making a mockery of all religions in general. Which is contrary to the ideals you wish to portray. The bible texts raised is quite neutral, and I think you are smokescreening issues by trying to portray me as hatedful. The fact is, I brought up a verse of scripture, that shows that everybody is going to bow down before Jesus Christ and declare Him as Lord, and there is nothing "hateful' about that. YOu didn't like that verse and started posting garbage, and that's when things went downhill on this thread. :lmao: You are posting your opinions..... the fact that I do not believe you are posting facts... the bible is a book that is a fact. But it in my opinion certainly does not contain facts. It contains stories. That is my opinion. That is not mockery..... it is my opinion. Just like your opinion that women cannot debate with you because of their emotions. So therefore you must be jealous because 1. you are not a women and desire to have all that is womanly or /and 2. you do not have a woman therefore its just sour grapes. by posting to a person that if they do not believe in what you do that they deserve the worst (which you believe hellfire for eternity) is hateful. In my emotional, humble, yet virtuous womanly opinion. Hugs to ya, and I will light a candle for you this eve. a4a Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Thrawn Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 :lmao: You are posting your opinions..... the fact that I do not believe you are posting facts... the bible is a book that is a fact. But it in my opinion certainly does not contain facts. It contains stories. That is my opinion. That is not mockery..... it is my opinion. A quote from a religious text is valid to support any religious view. Making up a fictional story in your head is not quoting from a religious text. It doesn't do any justice. Religious people do not look at their religious authority texts as novels from the library. by posting to a person that if they do not believe in what you do that they deserve the worst (which you believe hellfire for eternity) is hateful. In my emotional, humble, yet virtuous womanly opinion. But, did I post that on THIS thread? Of course not. I never even responded to resentment006's original post in the manner in which you are suggesting. That was not the premise that started this whole arguement. I just said Jesus Christ is Lord. That is it. Nothing about hell or anything else. Hugs to ya, and I will light a candle for you this eve. It's ok, you can leave out the candle part. Link to post Share on other sites
TeaCooler Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 The fact is a4a picked a fight over a verse of scripture that was raised on this thread that was not hateful. I never posted out on this thread saying bad things to resentment006, or even said anything personal to the person who started this thread. So, I think people here do care about my faith since they are picking fights whenever I post. You can review the history of this thread yourself before spewing out nonsence. actually, you're incorrect. no one does care about your faith; they care about being imposed upon by you, under the pretense that you're doing the lord's work. it's nonsense to you because you can't see past your own hipocrisy and imposition on others. Link to post Share on other sites
Admiral Thrawn Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 actually, you're incorrect. no one does care about your faith; they care about being imposed upon by you, under the pretense that you're doing the lord's work. it's nonsense to you because you can't see past your own hipocrisy and imposition on others. Who is imposing anything - if someone doesn't like my posts they can skip it. Link to post Share on other sites
a4a Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 I am so lighting that candle tonight. a4a- It will put the lotion in the basket. Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Erased Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 coco I am sory but I had no choice but to laugh at that you sounded like my wife. She is from Detroit I see you are from New York as I have mentioned in other threads I live in the southeastern U.S. Where the KKK is still very much alive and very active. My wife when we were first married had no idea how things were in the south. Another thing that makes it funny for those who do not know the KKK is recognised by the U.S. Government as a "Religious Organisation" here where I live they hand out religious material on street corners although now they call themselves christian patriots or something like that. I know that was way off topic but I thought I would add that. and for the record before I am accused by anyone I am not in the KKK. In fact if I were a racist or biggot wich I am not. I would not be elligable for membership as I am not christian and the first step to joining is to profess faith in jesus. So rule one keeps me out now that I think of it the other rules probably do as well considering I am 3/4 Creek. I am sorry if I was making a generalisation, I in fact have family from South and I am in fact originally from England so if I was showing any ignorance it is not from being a New Yorker, but a Pom! ... I am aware of the switch of the KKK, I was merely referring to the early 20th Century where there were lynchings and such, a generalisation I know, but it was dreadful. I meant no offence to the South, I know that most do think the South is fully of country hicks but I find it rather pleasant in fact! Anywho probably didnt make any sense but oh well... Other posters, why are you still bloody fighting? Obviously you wont come to an agreement you cant force someone to agree with your ideas especially about religion. I am sure you can come to a compromise Link to post Share on other sites
Me I Think Posted February 7, 2006 Share Posted February 7, 2006 coco I was not offended at all I just found the one comment humorus as I have heard very similar comments from my wife on several occasions. But any way no offence was taken. Link to post Share on other sites
penkitten Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 jesus LOVES you. Link to post Share on other sites
neek Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 You can't have freedom of religion without freedom from religion. I have every right to blaspheme God. I sure hope that God does not exist. I don't want him to be real. Every time someone preaches the gospel to me I just don't want anything to do with it. I want nothing to do with God or church or religious people. I am basically a satan worshipper. If God exists I want Him and His children to leave me alone. So explain this one to me: IF Satan exists, he is supposed to be God's nemesis, correct? (Yes.) So if you don't believe God exists, then what point would it be for Satan to exist? Satan would not be needed. You don't make sense. Link to post Share on other sites
Citizen Erased Posted February 8, 2006 Share Posted February 8, 2006 coco I was not offended at all I just found the one comment humorus as I have heard very similar comments from my wife on several occasions. But any way no offence was taken. Isn't it strange when total strangers say the same things as the ones you love? Link to post Share on other sites
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