May be spriritual or political

[HokeyReligions]

Not sure where to put this - but I got it from someone on a religious board. It's not meant to stir up trouble - I just thought it was interesting, although I'm sure it will offend some and there will be those who want to rip it apart and analyze it - but here it is anyway.

 

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Cindy Sheehan asked President Bush, "Why did my son have to die in Iraq?"

 

Another mother asked President Kennedy, "Why did my son have to die in Viet Nam?"

 

Another mother asked President Truman, "Why did my son have to die in Korea?

 

Another mother asked President F.D. Roosevelt, "Why did my son have to die at Iwo Jima?"

 

Another mother asked President W. Wilson, "Why did my son have to die on the battlefield of France?"

 

Yet another mother asked President Lincoln, "Why did my son have to die at Gettysburg?"

 

And yet another mother asked President G. Washington, "Why did my son have to die near Valley Forge?"

 

Then long, long ago, a mother asked, "Heavenly Father, why did my Son have to die on a cross outside of Jerusalem?"

 

 

The answers to all these are similar -- "that others may have life and dwell in peace, happiness and freedom."

 

 

IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !!!

[Curmudgeon]

As a combat veteran (Vietnam), the father (oldest son - Desert Storm), son (WW II and Korea), grandson (WW I and WW II) and nephew (WW II) of combat veterans, I like it!

[quankanne]

well put, says this wife/daughter/sibling/aunt/niece of military men and women. Because no matter how wrong we feel about waging war and the resulting death, we must understand that millions of people past and present willingly choose to serve their country, even to the point of death. They believe in what they're doing. And we should too.

[Guest]

There's a difference between genuine wars and fake 'wars' made up to bully other nations to steal their resources. And invoking parents in pain is a red herring and a shockingly callous attempt to manipulate feelings, IMHO. Being against a war is NOT being against the people who suffer because of it.

[Curmudgeon]

Tell that to the troops on the front line who suffer and bear the wounds and scars of combat, or worse.

 

To a Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman there's only one kind of war, and that's the one he/she is in!

[Art_Critic]

Tell that to the troops on the front line who suffer and bear the wounds and scars of combat, or worse.

 

To a Soldier, Sailor, Marine or Airman there's only one kind of war, and that's the one he/she is in!

 

Agreed .. Totally .. There is no such thing as a fake war to the ones fighting it and losing their lives in it....

 

It is every family in america.. We have all been touched by war.. either by being there or having a family member be there or having someone close to us lose their life fighting for the freedom of others.

[whichwayisup]

I think it makes one stop and really think about the lives that are being lost. To really appreciate what all these men and women, past and present have done for their Countries.

[Guest]

Sorry Hokey. That is political.

[Curmudgeon]

No. That's patriotic!

[Guest]

What about the mothers of the soldiers of the Taliban?

 

The mothers of the soldiers of the North Vietnamese?

 

The mothers of soldiers in Hitler's army?

 

The mothers of the Rebel soldiers?

 

The mothers of the British in the American Revolution?

 

What answers were given to them? The same answers. Are they to believe the same answers? Just because the answer is given, does not mean it is true (despite what the person answering the question believes).

[Curmudgeon]

Clearly, you've never experienced combat. None of that matters when you're being shot at in service to your country.

 

I notice you didn't ask about the mothers of Afghans slain by the religious fanatics of the Taliban, those of the South Vietnamese, those of the Holocast, Pearl Harbor, Poland or Nanking, those of the Union soldiers or those of the Continental Army.

 

It's clear where your loyalties lie. I suggest you join them and stand up to be counted.

 

Oops! You might come under enemy fire. Of course, then you might actually know what you're talking about.

 

It's oh so easy to be a sideline soldier, sidewalk superintendant and Monday morning quarterback, isn't it, and safe as well.

[Guestx]

It's clear where your loyalties lie. I suggest you join them and stand up to be counted.

 

Right - because if you don't agree with the Government, you should leave or be shot.

 

Honestly. Isn't that the very philosophy Americans keep claiming to fight? Isn't allowing different points of view the essence of this precious democracy that's so worth losing one's life for?

 

How can someone in one breath defend fighting for 'democracy' and in another be undemocratic?

[Guest]

You seem to have missed the point.

 

Clearly, you've never experienced combat. None of that matters when you're being shot at in service to your country.

We were talking about mother's of soldiers asking why their sons have died, not the soldiers themselves.

 

 

I notice you didn't ask about the mothers of Afghans slain by the religious fanatics of the Taliban, those of the South Vietnamese, those of the Holocast, Pearl Harbor, Poland or Nanking, those of the Union soldiers or those of the Continental Army.

Because we recongize their pain of losing a child because we deem their cause just. The pain of a mother whose son fought for a cause that YOU don't agree with is still just as real.

 

 

It's clear where your loyalties lie. I suggest you join them and stand up to be counted.

 

Oops! You might come under enemy fire. Of course, then you might actually know what you're talking about.

 

 

It's oh so easy to be a sideline soldier, sidewalk superintendant and Monday morning quarterback, isn't it, and safe as well.

 

Pray tell what are my loyalties that you seem to know so much about?

[Curmudgeon]

Not exactly. Those of us who have fought our country's wars did so for you as much as for true patriots. What many of us fail to understand is why anyone would stick around in a country who's policies going back to the 1776 they obviously hold in low regard.

 

I don't agree with the current administration but I do believe in the Constitutional protections that, if nothing else, will see it necessarily and legally replaced in a few years.

[HokeyReligions]

Hmm, then are there Christians who think that Jesus should not have been "sacrificed" ?

 

BTW I am not pro-war, but I do understand the necessity and what it really means to fight for what you believe in.

[bab]

Hmm, then are there Christians who think that Jesus should not have been "sacrificed" ?

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Actually, yes. Here is a small portion of a paper written by a Methodist Minister:

 

My own theological predisposition sways me toward affirming the presence of salvation without the death of Jesus. Indeed, according to the Old Testament, salvation was achieved through the mediation of king, priest, and prophet prior to the life and death of Jesus, albeit not so definitively. The circulation of pre-Gospel sayings attributed to Jesus, sans the Passion Narrative, seem to indicate that for some of Jesus' followers his life and teachings were the vehicle through which salvation could be wrought.

 

Certainly without the death of Jesus we could have no Resurrection, but is the Resurrection essential for salvation? Perhaps resurrection is pressed into use to validate the life of the one who brings salvation to humanity because, in failing to recognize this salvation, humanity crucified the very agent of our redemption. Thus, Resurrection "proves" what Jesus claimed all along and assures us of God's continued presence even when we feel most forsaken. It must be acknowledged, of course, that those who "believed" Jesus prior to the Resurrection became the witnesses to the Resurrection, strengthening the notion that Jesus embodied salvation in his life and teaching.

[Curmudgeon]

You can't conveniently separate one from the other.

 

War sucks. There's no doubt about it. It brings pain. That, too, is unassailable.

 

Grieving mothers have dead children who wanted to live as much as the next person, maybe more since they faced death on a regular basis.

 

It may come as a shock to you but even soldiers mourn for their enemies and their families.

 

Since you've one-sidedly taken up the cause of our foes and their mothers, I'd say it's pretty clear whose side you're on. As such, I'm done with you.

[Guest]

Since you've one-sidedly taken up the cause of our foes and their mothers

 

So much for democracy. So much for compassion for all humanity.

[HokeyReligions]

You can't conveniently separate one from the other.

 

War sucks. There's no doubt about it. It brings pain. That, too, is unassailable.

 

Grieving mothers have dead children who wanted to live as much as the next person, maybe more since they faced death on a regular basis.

 

It may come as a shock to you but even soldiers mourn for their enemies and their families.

 

Since you've one-sidedly taken up the cause of our foes and their mothers, I'd say it's pretty clear whose side you're on. As such, I'm done with you.

 

Buwhahah! Thank you so much for that!