Afghan Man Faces Execution After Converting to Christianity

[amaysngrace]

god is love. where love exists, he is there.

 

 

beautifully stated, blue tuesday.

[Admiral Thrawn]

being prepared to die for your religion is not a sign of its validity, even in your eyes. if it were, the suicide bombers who daily pepper streets of iraq and elsewhere with their own body parts and those of their victims wouldn't exist, would they?

 

You can not commit suicide and be a martyr at the same time. Many people commit suicide for various reasons, and like it because they can control when they can die, when that element is out of your control, and it is contingent on confirming or denying a certain doctrine, then it is a different story, isn't it?

 

death doesn't mean the cause is objectively true or good. it just means the convinction is strongly held, even if the rest of the world thinks it's wildly inaccurate.

 

no doubt you will make the distinction between an act of aggression and a peaceful desire to worship in the way you see fit. but in an islamic country, rejection of islam IS a sign of aggression and the christian prisoner will know this.

 

So what? If he accepts Islam, then He denies Jesus Christ. Both faiths are mutually exclusive. If you think there is a compromise, then you do not know what you are talking about.

 

don't make the mistake of thinking i fail to understand your position, AT. five, ten years ago, i felt exactly as you do now. i thought i was right and anyone who didn't hold to my fundamental position was lost.

 

bless him, god didn't give up on me. very slowly, he encouraged me to talk to him about it. what you are describing as my weak faith, is not weak in his eyes. to him, i'm growing. i have put away my childish things and my narrow ideas of where god can be found and i am starting to see the length and the breadth and the height of his power. so take it up with him.

 

but while you fail to understand the magnificence and the mystery of a god who can reach different people in different ways, who can lead them on diverse paths towards him, who can guide them in the way HE sees fit, you will continue to limit god in human terms by thinking what you can see now is all there is.

 

god is love. where love exists, he is there. christians don't have the monolopy on it.

 

It sounds to me like you do not believe in anything. True, God is love, but that doesn't mean He's a universal pushover that is just going to allow everything. There is also a component of justice and holiness.

 

As far as the Bible is concerned, what you are saying is correct only in the context of Jesus Christ and Him crucified. Right now, what you have is such a diluted form of Christianity, that it has no 'salt' in it. You are saying everyone is right, doesn't mean anything.

 

Of the Israelites in the wilderness, virtually all of them perished except for Caleb and Joshua because they believed, while others doubted God. The majority opinion does not mean it is right with God.

[bluetuesday]

admiral thrawn, your belief that you are right is blinding you to the possibility of everything else. it is preventing god from talking to you, it is certainly preventing me from talking to you. please stop making the mistake of thinking you know it all. you cannot possibly know it all. and god cannot work through a man who won't be taught anything new.

 

i bet you think god wouldn't allow the bible to exist in the form it does if it wasn't the truth, right? well, how does that square with your knowledge that the writings which make up the bible were chosen by representatives of the early roman catholic church, whose authority you don't accept, more than a thousand years before the protestantism you DO accept arrived on the scene?

 

it's fair enough you think the early church councils were corrupt, they very likely were. so why accept word for word everything they decided should be included in a book about god and reject everything they decided to leave out?

 

god allows all sorts of things that are false or hurtful. he allows muslims to exist, even though you know they're damned to hell for rejecting jesus christ. he allows children to be murdered in the sudan. but i don't believe for an instant that the life of a child is less sacred to god than a collection of writings. yet he would ensure one was saved and not another? it's nonsensical.

 

we have free will down here to kill sudanese children if we want. not giving us free will to retain inaccurate or incomplete writings would be inconsistent and god isn't inconsistent.

 

here's the last thing i'm going to say in this thread so you can have the last word if you like. if i am wrong, admiral thrawn, and god is the god YOU think he is, i am satisfied that i credited him with more compassion, more love, more understanding, more power and more mystery than you did. and if at the end of my life that's not enough, and he gets me on a technicality, so be it. he wasn't who i thought he was.

 

if i am wrong, i am wrong. but the god i love IS capable of continually trying to talk to his people in different ways. the message which runs through all of the world's major religions is love, respect, and understanding for one another. when we do that, we make god happen. we bring him into the world, we include him in our lives and we leave the planet a little better than we found it. in that way, we truly help to create the kingdom of god on earth.

 

i prefer my way, my gentler, all-encompasing, multi-coloured way of seeing god, than your rigid black and white. and at least in my way, we both get to see heaven.

[Bogun]

here's the last thing i'm going to say in this thread so you can have the last word if you like. if i am wrong, admiral thrawn, and god is the god YOU think he is, i am satisfied that i credited him with more compassion, more love, more understanding, more power and more mystery than you did. and if at the end of my life that's not enough, and he gets me on a technicality, so be it. he wasn't who i thought he was.

 

if i am wrong, i am wrong. but the god i love IS capable of continually trying to talk to his people in different ways. the message which runs through all of the world's major religions is love, respect, and understanding for one another. when we do that, we make god happen. we bring him into the world, we include him in our lives and we leave the planet a little better than we found it. in that way, we truly help to create the kingdom of god on earth.

 

i prefer my way, my gentler, all-encompasing, multi-coloured way of seeing god, than your rigid black and white. and at least in my way, we both get to see heaven.

Nicely put blue. I'm no christian but its the christians with this kind of attitude that I respect and the ones that I think are practising their faith in the way that the bible teaches them. Not like the bible-nazis like thrawn.

[Admiral Thrawn]

admiral thrawn, your belief that you are right is blinding you to the possibility of everything else. it is preventing god from talking to you, it is certainly preventing me from talking to you. please stop making the mistake of thinking you know it all. you cannot possibly know it all. and god cannot work through a man who won't be taught anything new.

 

Oh sure, the god of this world perhaps, or the prince of the power of the air.

You could listen to that, and I will listen to the true God. The world did not accept Jesus Christ for He is not of this world, the world only receives its own. I'm sure when the Antichrist comes in the world scene, he is going to say the things you like to hear, and you will likely gladly accept him as the messiah.

 

i bet you think god wouldn't allow the bible to exist in the form it does if it wasn't the truth, right? well, how does that square with your knowledge that the writings which make up the bible were chosen by representatives of the early roman catholic church, whose authority you don't accept, more than a thousand years before the protestantism you DO accept arrived on the scene?

 

This shows your ignorance of the whole matter. The bible comes in many versions. The version that I rely on is the King James version which relies in a totally different manuscript than the corrupted Alexandrian manuscipts the catholic church has tampered with. It relies on the original manuscripts and it was not ordered some pope (hence the version's title).

 

it's fair enough you think the early church councils were corrupt, they very likely were. so why accept word for word everything they decided should be included in a book about god and reject everything they decided to leave out?

 

I never said anything about the early church's councils, I was talking about the roman catholic church as founded or established by emperor Constantine.

THAT church is not based scripturally on the bible, other than using some Christian ideals to suite their ends in a hybrid Christian-Pagan religion form. People on that system, do not even know whether to pray to God, to saints or to Mary, completely unscriptural.

 

god allows all sorts of things that are false or hurtful. he allows muslims to exist, even though you know they're damned to hell for rejecting jesus christ. he allows children to be murdered in the sudan. but i don't believe for an instant that the life of a child is less sacred to god than a collection of writings. yet he would ensure one was saved and not another? it's nonsensical.

 

So, are you trying to make a point? This thread is about an Afghan man facing execution. He has something to die for. Otherwise, he would just be saying, Muslims are also right too, and thus be spared from any punishment. However, he knows better than to recant his statement of faith, because he knows he has something more real and better than anything this world has to offer. For the bible says, what does a man gain if he gains the whole world but loses his own soul.

 

we have free will down here to kill sudanese children if we want. not giving us free will to retain inaccurate or incomplete writings would be inconsistent and god isn't inconsistent.

 

Right, but if it were so, this guy would have recanted his faith already. Obviously you do not have a clue what you are talking about, and it is too bad you really do not have anything to die for if it came to it. You may say, what is the big deal, the Afgan man could just save his life by not being an aggressor and rejecting the muslim religion in favour of the Christian one.

 

For the record, there is no inaccurate or incomplete writings, and unfortunately, this has served to be a snare and a spiritual distraction preventing you from making any real spiritual head-way anywhere.

 

here's the last thing i'm going to say in this thread so you can have the last word if you like. if i am wrong, admiral thrawn, and god is the god YOU think he is, i am satisfied that i credited him with more compassion, more love, more understanding, more power and more mystery than you did. and if at the end of my life that's not enough, and he gets me on a technicality, so be it. he wasn't who i thought he was.

 

Of course, He would not have sent Jesus to die for our sins if He weren't.

What you are insinuating is that Jesus died in vain if there are other ways to go to heaven. In the Garden of Gethsemane, Jesus said, 'IF IT WERE POSSIBLE, let this cup pass". If it was possible there were other ways to get to God by circumventing this, then the cup would have passed, and the crucificiton would never have happened.

 

While, it seems you are intent on knocking down the Bibilical authority of the faith, both in literal factual history and spiritual meanings, it seems you have no authority to base yours on other than what appears good in your own eyes. You may say that I claim to be right, but what I claim is the message in the bible pertaining to the Gospel and salvation through Jesus is right, and that message is completely based on the Bible, both OT and NT.

 

if i am wrong, i am wrong. but the god i love IS capable of continually trying to talk to his people in different ways. the message which runs through all of the world's major religions is love, respect, and understanding for one another. when we do that, we make god happen. we bring him into the world, we include him in our lives and we leave the planet a little better than we found it. in that way, we truly help to create the kingdom of god on earth.

 

Yup, like the muslim religion that is threating to kill this Christian convert, or the Hindu religion that harasses and ostracises converts to Christianity. God is really talking to those Muslims to kill that convert - that's love, respect and understanding alright.

 

i prefer my way, my gentler, all-encompasing, multi-coloured way of seeing god, than your rigid black and white. and at least in my way, we both get to see heaven.

 

So far, nothing of what you have said has added up. The world simply does not fit your imaginary ideals and the premise of this thread proves it.

[amaysngrace]

So far, nothing of what you have said has added up. The world simply does not fit your imaginary ideals and the premise of this thread proves it.

 

AT, it adds up for a lot of us, the majority, i'm guessing. you seem rather indignant and actually angry rather than at peace. i'm guessing you aren't "getting" what the rest of us do.

 

this man in afganistan is probably at peace with dying. because he has faith. please do me a favor, stop proclaiming to be a Christian, because you are likely to turn people off to Christianity. thank you.

[Admiral Thrawn]

AT, it adds up for a lot of us, the majority, i'm guessing. you seem rather indignant and actually angry rather than at peace. i'm guessing you aren't "getting" what the rest of us do.

 

this man in afganistan is probably at peace with dying. because he has faith. please do me a favor, stop proclaiming to be a Christian, because you are likely to turn people off to Christianity. thank you.

 

If you have a problem or issue with any of my posts, then you are free to reply to them, like anyone else. I'd like people to get turned off of Christianity as a religion, anyway, and receive Jesus Christ. Nominal Christianity means absolutely nothing and is just another religion, or a conveniant place for people to ease their guilty concience once a week before they start sinning again. Please. So, you are right, I'm not a nominal Christian attending some dead church every Sunday and keeping some mass and thinking I'm good, and everyone else is going to heaven and is fine.

 

I'm a born-again Christian, and I believe what the Bible says, and know that God is real and is healing the sick, cleansing the lepours, and making a positive change in people's lives through the grace and power of Jesus Christ.

This real evidence has been ascertained personally, and in the lives of millions of people who have received Divine internentions and healing and God has proven Himself to be the God of the Bible, and Jesus Christ has proven Himself to be real and approachable by anyone who calls on His name.

[blind_otter]

So far, nothing of what you have said has added up. The world simply does not fit your imaginary ideals.

 

AAAAAAAAAAahahahaaaaa.

 

Now that, folks, is called irony.

[PatientOne]

And this is what eventually drove me from organized religion. Sad.

 

On a side note, is a troll still a troll if they truly believe the crap they are putting forth?

[blind_otter]

And this is what eventually drove me from organized religion. Sad.

 

On a side note, is a troll still a troll if they truly believe the crap they are putting forth?

 

The analysis of that question, m'dear, would be enough to fill a doctoral dissertation in psychology. I think anyways.