Can someone enlighten me about the cross religion?

[ddnnee]

ya so i'm taking a class studying christian/catholic art.

 

I learned that the virgin mary belongs to a whole family of virgins.

Basically, does the cross religion condone incest seeing how Jesus is GOD, and that god fertilized virgin mary to make jesus - which is himself.

 

If virgin mary's mother is also a virgin, then who fertilized her egg to make mary? Probably god since he's the only one who could at that time. If so, then is it possible that god only have "sex" with a family of virgins?

 

If that is so, then god has "sex" with virgin's mary mother, making virgin mary his daughter (and his mother). He later has "sex" with his daughter/mother to make himself. In a sense, god is the father, the holy spirit, and the son.

 

Teach me more! incest is good.

[Outcast]

Congratulations on one of the more twisted interpretations of religion I've yet to see.

[quankanne]

what curious outlook on the whole Mary story!

 

1. Mary is a virgin in every sense of the word: spiritually she is pure (no blemish of sin, hence her title of "Immaculate Conception" – conceived without sin), physically she is pure. And she would have to be in order to serve as an unblemished vessel that carried/brought forth the Son of God. When you think of Jesus having dual nature (both God and Man), both parents must be pure (without sinful nature) so that he could fully express that dual nature in the purest form.

 

2. Mary's mother remained a virgin? Funny, I don't remember that from catechism classes, but then again, I'm just a cradle Catholic. However, Anne Rice has a thought-provoking explanation for Mary's perpetual virginity in the end notes of her most recent novel, "Christ the Lord." Mary consecrated herself to the Lord, much in the way nuns consecrate themselves to Christ and take vows of chastity and celibacy (or, in layman's terms, they agree to remain sexually pure and unmarried). Now, if I remember history correctly, consecrated virgins pretty much came from families that practiced that tradition: young girls consecrated themselves to God, to do the work of God in whatever way called (known as 'vocation' in Catholic terminology) in their youth. It's entirely possible that as they grew older, they embraced vocation of wife and mother, as apparently Anne (mother of Mary, granny of Jesus) did. Physiologically speaking, once she took part in that marital art in which Mary was conceived, she no longer remained virginal. And when Mary was conceived, God granted her an unblemished soul/nature.

 

3. God "having sex" ... this is a purely limited human outlook, which cannot even begin to fathom the mysterious works of God and instead draws upon what little it comprehends to help make sense of the fantastic.

 

it's much easier to joke about God having an incestuous relationship or merely "having sex" than it is to contemplate what is the Trinity – God expressing himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. However, it is entirely your prerogative keep your own particular spin on things and not edify yourself ...

[blind_otter]

If that is so, then god has "sex" with virgin's mary mother, making virgin mary his daughter (and his mother). He later has "sex" with his daughter/mother to make himself. In a sense, god is the father, the holy spirit, and the son.

 

Teach me more! incest is good.

 

God never had sex in the story of the conception of Jesus.

 

And you have the doctrine of the trinity all f***ed up, dude.

 

They are not the same exact being replicated. Most Christian denominations preach the doctrine of the Holy Trinity. According to this doctrine, within the “Godhead” there exists three persons - God the father, God the son and God the Holy Spirit. These three persons are of one substance and therefore are co-equal in all things. They are of one substance, but not the same being.

[quankanne]

what's the movie with Eric Idle going undercover as a nun, who was stuck teaching a catechism class and was trying to explain the Trinity? "It's like a shamrock ... small and green and three-in-one," or something like that!

[ddnnee]

quank: 1) from what i learned, mary is pure all around, physically and mentally and all that. If mary were to conceive jesus, god would have to magically make her pregnant. so god is jesus's father (while jesus is the humanform of god).

 

2) From what i got from the class, mary's entire family line was virgins. This entire line are pure, that way to keep mary pure as well.

 

3) of god "having sex" is not real. I only used that because i did not want to say "a beam of light struct the womb." depicted by MANY art paintings. god does not have sex because sex is a dirty dirty bad sinful thing. (I think all cross religion people should understand this and stop having sex)

 

I only see it as an outsider of the religion because i am not a cross religion. I know it hurts all of you cross religion when people criticize your religion, but help me understand more about it because from textbook studies, that's as far as i know.

 

 

Blindotter: sorry, i think you lack sufficient knowledge about the trinity yourself.

 

Taken from wikipedia, it states that god is ONE SINGLE being:

Within Christianity, the doctrine of the Trinity states that God is a single Being who exists, simultaneously and eternally, as a communion of three persons (personae, prosopa): Father (the Source, the Eternal Majesty); the Son (the eternal Logos or Word, incarnate as Jesus of Nazareth); and the Holy Spirit. Since the 4th Century AD, in both Eastern and Western Christianity, this doctrine has been stated as "One God in Three Persons," all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal "persons" or "hypostases," share a single Divine essence, being, or nature.

 

If i get this right, 3 physical beings having one spirit. Think of it this way, you own a beemer, mercedes, and lexus. you SPEED and get a ticket with the mercedes. Is the cop going to fine just the mercedes or is the cop going to fine YOU, the driver - the one spirit.

 

Many people refer to jesus as "god". if jesus (a different human form being) performed a miracle, we say "oh it is god's work!". We don't say "oh, that's not god's work, it is jesus's work"

 

anyway, i take it an objective point of view while those who are religiously inclined think differently.

[blind_otter]

Blindotter: sorry, i think you lack sufficient knowledge about the trinity yourself.

 

 

Read your own quote, doofus.

 

all three of whom, as distinct and co-eternal "persons" or "hypostases," share a single Divine essence, being, or nature.

 

Distinct, but sharing the divine essence.

 

Shall I find the definition of the word "DISTINCT" for you? Or can you look that up and read the entire definition yourself?

[quankanne]

mary's entire family line was virgins

 

I think what they meant to say was that the family ... the women? ... consecrated themselves to God. Meaning they strived to remain spiritually pure. Virginal refers to more than just the sexual status of a person or object. Otherwise we'd have some pretty jaded olive products on the market if they weren't EVOO!!!!

 

sex is a dirty dirty bad sinful thing. (I think all cross religion people should understand this and stop having sex)

 

:laugh: that reminds me of a ditty we used to have in high school:

"sex is bad, sex is sin, sex is fun, let's do it again" Religions teach that sex *outside of marriage* is sinful. Keeping it within marriage keeps it the sacred act it's supposed to be, whether for procreation or as expression of love for spouse.

 

the Trinity simplified, per Sr. Susan: When we think of God as love, we understand the roles love plays. If God is love, then Jesus is the beloved (the result of that love) and the Spirit is lover (or the action of love). All the same love, but assuming different roles. Like that shamrock, too: three distinct leaves, yet one shamrock. (and small and green, lol)

[Quinch]

On the subject of incest in the bible, one thing has always bothered me. If I remember the story right, Adam and Eve had three sons: Cain, Abel and Seth. Right so far? Cain killed Abel and then had children of his own.

 

Who was the mother of Cain's children?

 

It had to be Eve! His own mother! She was the only female around at the time. THIS IS A STORY THAT WE TEACH TO YOUNG CHILDREN!!! It's DISGUSTING! Please burn your bibles and end this perverted filth now!

[blind_otter]

On the subject of incest in the bible, one thing has always bothered me. If I remember the story right, Adam and Eve had three sons: Cain, Abel and Seth. Right so far? Cain killed Abel and then had children of his own.

 

Who was the mother of Cain's children?

 

It had to be Eve! His own mother! She was the only female around at the time. THIS IS A STORY THAT WE TEACH TO YOUNG CHILDREN!!! It's DISGUSTING! Please burn your bibles and end this perverted filth now!

 

I think the bible indicated that there were somehow other people floating around. I always thought that was inconsistent.

[catgirl1927]

I think the bible indicated that there were somehow other people floating around. I always thought that was inconsistent.

 

There's lots of conveniently vague parts of the bible.

[blind_otter]

There's lots of conveniently vague parts of the bible.

 

My whole thing is, hey. It was written like back when people rode donkies as their main method of transportation, and said that burning a lot of incense around your dirty clothes is like dry cleaning. And unleavened bread was like a dietary staple.

 

So a lot of what they say will be like a fable. You know, the moon waxes and wanes because a snake eats it or something like that. That's how less developed groups of people explainthe mysterious world around them. But there are some perennial truths though, in every religious work. They all have value, IMO, and it takes the right intention and follow through to be a good person.

[catgirl1927]

So a lot of what they say will be like a fable. You know, the moon waxes and wanes because a snake eats it or something like that. That's how less developed groups of people explainthe mysterious world around them. But there are some perennial truths though, in every religious work. They all have value, IMO, and it takes the right intention and follow through to be a good person.

 

I agree. And we also have to remember that the bible has been translated and retranslated a jillion times, each time by a person with a political agenda.