Do genes play a role...?

[vi_pn_babe25]

I've heard that guys will go after girls with good genes because it's primal instinct. Is that true? At first attraction is that what guys are thinking honestly? I mean sometimes I think that in the back of my mind that a certain guy would make cute babies, lol. But I was wondering if that's true with guys.

[Fun2BMe]

I've seen a lot of times when ugly couples produce gorgeous babies.

I think for men it is all sexual attraction but women they look at his health and appearance in consideration of how they will reproduce children.

[TheSwordfish]

Yeah they do. One genes and length are related, so girls go for tall guys. People go for smymmetrical faces, and body's alike. Teh baby's bit is interesting. But we have something called brains, and they will kill the initial thoughts.

 

Even though a girl might think a guy has great genes, she will probably dump him if she thinks they don't fit together in other ways. (She might use the superior guy to get baby's though, relaly painfull)

[bumbaclot]

I've heard that men like women with nice and big butts, because that's a sign that she will give healthy birth.

[Adunaphel]

Actually, what is sexually attractive not always is -genetically speaking - "good".

 

In many of those animal communities that are poligamous the looks of the most attractive specimens (usually, males) are a combination of *good* and *sexually attractive*.

They are either very strong or agile, when they compete directly with other males, or *beautiful* , when they are just chosen by the females as reproduction partners.

In which case the most beautiful guys are also the ones for whom surviving is harder.

 

Most monogamous species go for good genes.

 

Humans are usually considered half way between monogamous and polygamous.

[TheSwordfish]

The beautiful ones in us humans might have a completely different problem. They can be taken down by uglier people, whom are either physically stronger but also by people that are emotionally stronger with the abillity to make an alliance against someone. Look at the way some beautifull girls are picked on and terrorised by groups of jealous other girls.

 

Comparing the human behaviour to that of other animals is fun, but not always correct. Reminds, I recall that I read chimpansees can make alliances as well to bring down stronger dominant males.

 

Beauty versus brute strength is something that makes me wonder. A beautiful guy might have a hard time fighting a really fat guy...... What would mean more to a girl, the beaty of the slim pretty boy or the ability to protect a woman the big dude has.

 

And why the hell do woman like me at first glance, only to drop me after a while? Am I a victim of their horrible long term planning? GRRRRR! (sorry this personal note is just frustration )

[vi_pn_babe25]

Thank you for all your replies on this subject, I was curious of what other people thought.

 

TheSwordfish- when you mentioned that part about other girls being jealous or girls being picked on, well that's kinda the reason why I tend to have more guy friends than girl friends just because they don't cause as much drama with me. I'm not trying to sound conceided but I think some people perceive me as being a snob by the way I look or dress. But if they only knew I'm a vey nice girl!! So I only have a group of close girl friends because they know me for me, and not to be superficial but they are all above average looking so thats why we all click. Sounds weird lol but to tell you the truth I do have a friend that is average looking but whenever we go out she gets mad because guys will come up to me & if I don't like them or brush them off then they start talking to her. I would hate if our friendship ended over something like that but she always mentions it to me. One of my guy friends told me when he first met me he was intimidated which I didn't understand because he is hot as hell. So some things I just don't understand I guess, but if people would look passed what's on the outside and get to know me on the inside they would learn that I'm a really down to earth, nice girl.

[TheSwordfish]

It's probably a little frustrating for her, having someone else being aproached most of the time. Her being second choice. But you can't help that. So she can either accept it or complain about it, without anything changing. Litle envy there I guess. Guys would do the following, if an other theathens them: they bring him down. He will be called either gay, arrogant ashole or fill in your own variant. I even had a guy telling me his sister loved me, but immideately there after he said that I should understand that she was the only girl that ever would. Lots of people work in this mode. Envy something or someone and then break it. If your friend only tells you she feels bad beings econd choice she handels it quite maturely

 

Pretty girls can be intimidating, though I hardly get intimidated. I only act stupid when I really like someone (not just looks but more then that). Maybe the hot guy is intimedated becasue you have a lot of self confidence.

[vi_pn_babe25]

Yah it seems to happen every time I'm out with her, which you're right I can't help it, but since it always happens I think that's why she doesn't want to hang out with as much. so whatever but I think it's a sorry excuse, we used to be really good friends but I think it's fading fast because of that fact. Guys can be the same way to show their jealousy like you said. and another thing that you said, I am self-confident and fearless(in a good way) although I do wear the occassional mini skirt lol but it does show, so I think that's what girls and guys see, but girls see it in a negative way it seems like to me.

[MadDog]

It's funny you mention this because I was having a conversation with my friend about this very topic. I've caught myself assessing a date's health several times now, often on the first date.

 

I normally end up finding out if they wear contacts, how old their grandparents are (or how long they lived), etc. I do it so sneakily that I barely notice myself doing it and I know my dates never notice but I guess in the end, I'm looking for a girl with a good genetic background.

 

It's quite instinctual really. It's not like I'd be consciously turned-off if she has a bad family history of disease but it's kinda a plus when I know she has a good gene profile.

[vi_pn_babe25]

It's funny you mention this because I was having a conversation with my friend about this very topic. I've caught myself assessing a date's health several times now, often on the first date.

 

I normally end up finding out if they wear contacts, how old their grandparents are (or how long they lived), etc. I do it so sneakily that I barely notice myself doing it and I know my dates never notice but I guess in the end, I'm looking for a girl with a good genetic background.

 

It's quite instinctual really. It's not like I'd be consciously turned-off if she has a bad family history of disease but it's kinda a plus when I know she has a good gene profile.

 

To me I think it's a good thing to learn about the other person's gene history. You're not going to know from just looking at the person, at least health wise. It's funny you mentioned the contact thing, not that there's nothing with that, but I don't know just an opinion. I also look at the guy's eyes, I'm more attracted to light blue eyes. And I always look for a guy that's taller than me, I'm 5'8", because I love my long legs and I want to pass those along, lol so I look for taller guys. So yah for some reason I always look for a "potential baby maker" kinda guy. I guess I do my own genetic therapy research in a sense, without going to the sperm bank, lol I had to say that

[lovelorcet]

There is a hell of a lot at play in our biological subconscious when we are attracted to someone. Like it has been said symmetry is very important. It doesn’t matter what your tastes or cultural background is, people find symmetry attractive. The reason for this is symmetry as a developmental and biological process is extremely difficult. To achieve it you need a good set of genes and to be well nourished and healthy.

 

It is also possible to genetically evaluate someone by how they smell. Structures used by our immune cells (MHC; major histocompatibility complexes) are highly variable between people and it is thought that one can “smell” the differences. So someone who has very different structure than you “smells” good and mixing different immune genes is advantageous.

 

I could go on but I think now I am just boring people…

 

So if this stuff fits then there is a good chance these poeple are good for making babies, but would they be a good partner...

[TheSwordfish]

To me I think it's a good thing to learn about the other person's gene history. You're not going to know from just looking at the person, at least health wise. It's funny you mentioned the contact thing, not that there's nothing with that, but I don't know just an opinion. I also look at the guy's eyes, I'm more attracted to light blue eyes. And I always look for a guy that's taller than me, I'm 5'8", because I love my long legs and I want to pass those along, lol so I look for taller guys. So yah for some reason I always look for a "potential baby maker" kinda guy. I guess I do my own genetic therapy research in a sense, without going to the sperm bank, lol I had to say that

 

You can see it without asking. Girls mostly go for a tall guy, because that is something that children will inherit. You can actually smell it if someones imune system fits yours (girls tend to go for a guy smelling like their dad, because that is a proven formula) that it the imune system should be adding to your chances of survival. Certain traits, like facial symetry, and certain jaw lines will tell you subconsciously if someone is healthy.

 

The imune system bit might explain why poeple don't always go for the person thats the pretiest they can find.

 

We also tend to be atracted to people looking like ourselves. (proven formula as well). Why are you atracted to light blue eyes? (You might have them yourself).

 

(Like reading your standards though. I'm a 6 feet 55 feet tall light blue eyed guy )

[vi_pn_babe25]

I love this intellectual talk

 

lovelorcet-no you're not boring anybody, thanks for your imput. When you said "these people are good for making babies, but would they be a good partner" you're right because based on if the person's extremely attractive, they probably are aware so they are more likely to "play the field" (in most cases) just because of the attention they get. So true they might make beautiful babies but unless the guy/girl has morals, they are more likely to cheat I would think. The sense of smell part I think plays a role too.

 

theswordfish-you're right about being attracted to someone that looks like you, I've actually read that in a cosmo magazine before lol. Well from what you said about yourself, you'd be my ideal match lol , I'm talking like runway model tall, so 6'5" would be good mix with 5'8" lol and yah I have blue eyes too.

[Sand&Water]

I've heard that guys will go after girls with good genes because it's primal instinct. Is that true? At first attraction is that what guys are thinking honestly? I mean sometimes I think that in the back of my mind that a certain guy would make cute babies, lol. But I was wondering if that's true with guys.

 

This is true to some extent. Of course, depending who you ask generally guys think in this manner. (BTW, I'm not a guy).

 

However, you must understand that it's not all about the "good-genes".

 

There is no such thing as "good-genes". It's a term people have come up with to distinguish the attractive genes from the non-attractive. In nature, the best genes are the ones that are best suitable to survive in the real world. Survival of the Fittest is the way to go.

 

Therefore, Do Not go for someone who looks good on the outside thinking he/she will have good genes, that's wrong!!

 

You must have an understanding of what a 'gene' is. I can go on forever about this subject, since I specialize in this. But generally, someone's genetic make-up is made of many chromosomes. These set of chromosomes are a combination of his/her parents genes, grand-parents genes, and random assortment. All this with some enviromental factors, makes up a person's genetics. It's this random matching, that makes each individual unique in his/her own way.

 

So, don't let looks fool you. There are tons of people, that give birth to beautiful babies.

[vi_pn_babe25]

This is true to some extent. Of course, depending who you ask generally guys think in this manner. (BTW, I'm not a guy).

 

However, you must understand that it's not all about the "good-genes".

 

There is no such thing as "good-genes". It's a term people have come up with to distinguish the attractive genes from the non-attractive. In nature, the best genes are the ones that are best suitable to survive in the real world. Survival of the Fittest is the way to go.

 

Therefore, Do Not go for someone who looks good on the outside thinking he/she will have good genes, that's wrong!!

 

You must have an understanding of what a 'gene' is. I can go on forever about this subject, since I specialize in this. But generally, someone's genetic make-up is made of many chromosomes. These set of chromosomes are a combination of his/her parents genes, grand-parents genes, and random assortment. All this with some enviromental factors, makes up a person's genetics. It's this random matching, that makes each individual unique in his/her own way.

 

So, don't let looks fool you. There are tons of people, that give birth to beautiful babies.

 

You are so very right on all different aspects. I can see where the "survival of the fittest" would be true because I've heard that a guys tend to go after girls that have bigger hips or are a normal weight because they might bare healthier children. hmm maybe I should eat more fast food, lol. But I love learning about psychology and biology, hopefully one day I can get into research. And it's true looks can fool you because genes have a tendency to skip generations, so maybe next time when I approach a hottie I'll ask him if I can see his family portrait, lol just kidding, looks aren't everything!

[TheSwordfish]

Girls tend to show their family album to me. Is that what they are trying to do? (Showing pictures of the family to prove they have good genes? )

 

Good thing is (well bad thing sometimes), we don't make up our minds on looks alone. I've seen it happen quite a lot. A while back I had total crush on this girl, never been this infatuated in ages, and she felt the same (she made it clear, her friends told me that she did). Blew it first by acting a little nonchalant and then blew it again by acting like an a**h*** (why do I act so strange when infatuated?). Suddenly I wasn't cute anymore and she decided I wasn't worth it. I'm still hoping to accidentaly bump into her so I can use my blue eyes and smile to remind her why she was atracted to me in the first place. But I think I can't fool her brain to scrap her memory by doing that.

 

(Bad part is I saw her on her bicycle last week. She didn't immediately recognize me in my wannebe Tom cruise modus (sunglasses on) But her friend decided to yell at me that I was a hottie. Bet she told the girl what an ass I was, so lost another one there )

 

@vi_pn_babe25

Ideal Match If you are tall and have blue eyes,I would probably aproach you at the busstop or something. But as busses don't go over the atlantic, I won't get a shot

 

How do you make up your mind about guys? (I heard girls always have a first impression, and then they decide if someone is a potential partner. But even though the initial impression is strong, when we blow it once we're out)

[vi_pn_babe25]

*that's funny that you said that lol maybe, I like to show off pictures of my mom when she was younger (she modeled) me as a baby, my niece as a baby, even pics of my brother & sister growing up. so I guess for some reason it could work lol

Good thing is (well bad thing sometimes), we don't make up our minds on looks alone. I've seen it happen quite a lot. A while back I had total crush on this girl, never been this infatuated in ages, and she felt the same (she made it clear, her friends told me that she did). Blew it first by acting a little nonchalant and then blew it again by acting like an a**h*** (why do I act so strange when infatuated?). Suddenly I wasn't cute anymore and she decided I wasn't worth it. I'm still hoping to accidentaly bump into her so I can use my blue eyes and smile to remind her why she was atracted to me in the first place. But I think I can't fool her brain to scrap her memory by doing that.

 

*Yah that's all in the game of dating, cause we all play games of cat & mouse.

 

 

*The same goes with you! Yah I guess busses can't float lol what part of the country are you from may I ask

 

*Usually I look at the whole picture. First I look at their face, body type, how they dress, and then if we hook eyes I'll go up to him or him to me and we'll start talking. Now if he starts out by saying how much money he has , then that's kind of a turnoff because that kind of says something about their personality. Like this one guy I was seeing told me at first meeting that he played pro baseball and unfortunately that grabbed me because I've always wanted to date a pro athlete. But after getting to know him he was actually the most cocky guy I've ever met. So it just depends. Also if a guy says an inappropriate sexual coment then that's also a turnoff, I don't mind the beautiful/gorgeous coments but for example when I was in vegas this guy came up to me, bent down and touched my leg! I was wearing a skirt but still this guy was way out of league so I yelled at him. So ya just never know I guess.

[milvushina]

It's my understanding that research has shown the best way we can objectively define attractiveness is indeed symmetry.

Most of what's commonly "good looks" does indicates good health, for instance, a proportionate weight, shiny hair, nice teeth, muscles and that kind of thing.

Reproduction is one of our strongest urges, or maybe the strongest one, so in our subconscious we're always thinking about who would make/have healthy babies. But I think emotions play a really big part too. Our ideas of family, and so on. A bond between parents is important for raising a child. There is some research that has indicated a lot of relationships only last about 5-6 years, about the amount of time needed to fall in love, have a baby, and raise it to the age that it isn't completely helpless with both parents. Then, in theory, the couple is able to find new partners and have babies. That is good for a species because it encourages genetic variation (more combinations of genes). I don't want to believe that one though.

[blind_otter]

You can see it without asking. Girls mostly go for a tall guy, because that is something that children will inherit. You can actually smell it if someones imune system fits yours (girls tend to go for a guy smelling like their dad, because that is a proven formula)

 

Old spice and marlboro reds? I love my Dad but he smells bad.

[vi_pn_babe25]

Old spice and marlboro reds? I love my Dad but he smells bad.

 

lol that's funny

[blind_otter]

It's my understanding that research has shown the best way we can objectively define attractiveness is indeed symmetry.

Most of what's commonly "good looks" does indicates good health, for instance, a proportionate weight, shiny hair, nice teeth, muscles and that kind of thing.

Reproduction is one of our strongest urges, or maybe the strongest one, so in our subconscious we're always thinking about who would make/have healthy babies. But I think emotions play a really big part too. Our ideas of family, and so on. A bond between parents is important for raising a child. There is some research that has indicated a lot of relationships only last about 5-6 years, about the amount of time needed to fall in love, have a baby, and raise it to the age that it isn't completely helpless with both parents. Then, in theory, the couple is able to find new partners and have babies. That is good for a species because it encourages genetic variation (more combinations of genes). I don't want to believe that one though.

 

Yes, good post. I tend to believe the 7 year itch theory though.

[milvushina]

Yeah, I tend to believe it too, I just really don't want to

Hahaha...Marlboros and Old Spice.

[bumbaclot]

See, you might continuously not want it, but somewhere there, in your subcontinuous, you'll fall for the guy that smells like Marlboros and Old Spice

[glittergurl]

Hahah I totally did that when I met my husband; just wondered what our future children would look like (and that wasn't even our first date LOL). I totally think they would look gorgeous, so yeah We'll put that theory to the test within a year or two.