The stripper question

[Alexandra]

I don't think so CG1927....women can cheat emotionally and with just using their mind. I call it female emotional masturbation, or FEM. Men need more physical/visual stimulus.

 

As opposed to MEM? Oh wait, men have no emotions, sorry about that Alphie.

 

A4a, Catgirl, indeed, boundaries and always shooting for a personal moon is what it ultimately boils down to, TA, they're not different topics, one's SO going to a stripbar is just a small couples' issue that taps into others, self esteem, the idea of love and LTR and all that jazz are the broader theme.

 

Now ya'll responded and ronnieromance will have a reason to get out of answering my long post:mad:

[Tim'sAngel]

See, TA, to me, giving up and saying, "oh well, I'll never really be very pretty so I may as well just accept being ugly and try to make the most of it", is a LOT more depressing than working toward being perfect.

 

Oh, don't get me wrong, I DO NOT think it is ok to accept what your not happy with. IF you don't feel up to par and want to work on your outward appearance, then by all means go for it!! All I'm saying is you can work out 10 times a week and diet until your waist looks like pam andersons and if you don't already like yourself, then it won't matter, you will still be unhappy. Hott, but unhappy.

 

I see women all the time everywhere who think they are beautiful, and I'm happy for them, but their guts hang over their jeans and their arms are flabby and fat, and frankly, they are fooling themselves.

 

Ugh, some women have no clue

 

3 times a week? Wow. That's like, not going at all for me. I go just about every day. But I have been fat and unattractive, and I've been thin and hot. Thin and hot is WAY more work, but it's SO much better.

 

I was just making a hypothetical situation. Unless I looked over it, you didn't mention that you worked out. The way it sounded to me at least, was that you were just sitting around comparing yourself to other women.

I could just see you watching a porn flick on your couch, eating a bag of potatoe chips w/your belly hanging out of your shirt drinking a beer while wishing you could look like the porn girls lol

 

If you're happy, then I'm happy for you. Your life is easier than mine. I'm a

very ambitious person, and I want to have and be the BEST I can be, not just "good enough."

 

I am not at all happy w/my apearance. I tend to do something about it as well. I just am working on the inside first, because that is where my true insecurities lie

[catgirl1927]

I was just making a hypothetical situation. Unless I looked over it, you didn't mention that you worked out. The way it sounded to me at least, was that you were just sitting around comparing yourself to other women.

I could just see you watching a porn flick on your couch, eating a bag of potatoe chips w/your belly hanging out of your shirt drinking a beer while wishing you could look like the porn girls lol

 

I've mentioned on other threads that I work out, I assumed you knew, but that's ok, I can see where you're coming from. I'm a little pudgy right now, I have 15 extra pounds over what I'd like to weigh. I'm in a six right now (US), and I'd rather be in a 4. One dress size over ideal isn't really the same as on the couch with beer and potato chips!

 

I am not at all happy w/my apearance. I tend to do something about it as well. I just am working on the inside first' date=' because that is where my true insecurities lie[/quote']

 

I'm really ok with my inside, for the most part. I'd like to be more trusting, and I tend to get defensive about my intelligence just because I was told for so long that pretty girls are dumb (by my parents, who are no longer in my life, no one else has ever told me that so I have to stop blaming other people for their stupidity).

[Guest]

Hijacking is rude, so I want to start my own thread.

 

It has been brought to my attention that if I believe that getting a lap dance is cheating I must hate strippers.

 

I genuinely do not understand this logic.

 

It seems to me that what is being said is that if I'm not ok with my boyfriend having a lap dance, that it can only mean that I am insecure and have an irrational hatred of any woman who takes off her clothes outside her bedroom.

 

That sounds to me like someone blaming me for a behavior they want excused.

 

I have said before that I am jealous of strippers, and I have said why.

 

But I don't have any problem with a guy who doesn't have a girlfriend going to see one.

 

Will someone please explain this to me. I feel that my point is being missed and I'm being labeled as a lunatic because I don't agree that a lap dance is not sexual in nature. It honestly, truly makes no sense to me.

 

you dont have to justify why you feel the way you do nor are you a lunatic...i feel the same exact way. women that are ok with all that bahavior probably have cheated on their s/o.

[ronnieromance]

Talking to someone and having someone take off all their clothes and rub all over your lap and suck your dick are two very different things, dear.

 

As for your question in (possibly) another thread about why I think you don't like strippers...Yeah, this about sums it up.

 

 

Yeah Alexandra, in a nutshell I try to argue points and not specifics, unless necessary. I mean, I guess one of my gifts is understanding words in English and being able to use them fairly well. I see meaning in what is said, not said and what's implied. In all of that there lies a potential debate...Or one can debate mainly the idea that the words point out.

 

I guess I don't want to get in to the minutae unless it's noticed and necessary? I don't know.

 

 

-R-

[catgirl1927]

As for your question in (possibly) another thread about why I think you don't like strippers...Yeah, this about sums it up.

 

Why? They're just doing their job. I never said they were doing anything wrong. The man who pays them to do that when he has an SO is the one who is doing something wrong.

 

You are saying that I am threatened by the woman my SO is having sex with, rather than that I am angry that my SO would have sex with someone else.

 

You are saying that because you don't think men should be responsible when they do these things. YOU are the one blaming the stripper, not me.

[a4a]

 

I'm really ok with my inside, for the most part. I'd like to be more trusting, and I tend to get defensive about my intelligence just because I was told for so long that pretty girls are dumb (by my parents, who are no longer in my life, no one else has ever told me that so I have to stop blaming other people for their stupidity).

 

 

A little dime store psychology for ya........

 

Do you think you are trying to prove your parents wrong? Are you highly competitive in all areas of your life?

[catgirl1927]

A little dime store psychology for ya........

 

Do you think you are trying to prove your parents wrong? Are you highly competitive in all areas of your life?

 

OH MY GOD yes. My father told me I was too stupid to take care of myself and that I would have to get a man to support me. He wasn't going to pay for the last two years of my college because "education is wasted on a woman, she's just going to stay home with kids, what's the point." Do my feminist rants make a little more sense now?

 

So I have to be the prettiest, the smartest and the most successful. It's very hard. I can concede some imperfections, but I won't accept one that comes from laziness. I can't be any taller. My legs are never going to be longer, and I have broad shoulders. I'm muscular, so I'm never going to have tiny little arms. But I can have toned arms. Cellulite is hereditary. Some is, at least. Tyra Banks has it, for the love of pete. But I can lose all the fat I possibly can. I can be the best I can be. See what I mean?

[ronnieromance]

Why? They're just doing their job. I never said they were doing anything wrong. The man who pays them to do that when he has an SO is the one who is doing something wrong.

 

You are saying that I am threatened by the woman my SO is having sex with, rather than that I am angry that my SO would have sex with someone else.

 

You are saying that because you don't think men should be responsible when they do these things. YOU are the one blaming the stripper, not me.

 

 

OIC. Thanks for clearing that up. I was, mistakenly, under the impression that a lap dance is just a lap dance and head was head.

 

I was also wrong about my views on responsibility. I though, for all these years, that people should be responsible for what they do, regardless of having a penis, vagina or both. Apparantly I thought wrong, and what I thought all along was really wrong and what I thought it was wasn't what it was, but what you just told me. Gee, thanks catgirl!!

 

And to think, up until 5 minutes ago I would have thought that maybe you should be pissed at your man for sleeping around, if he actually is.

 

 

 

-R-

[ronnieromance]

OH MY GOD yes. My father told me I was too stupid to take care of myself and that I would have to get a man to support me. He wasn't going to pay for the last two years of my college because "education is wasted on a woman, she's just going to stay home with kids, what's the point." Do my feminist rants make a little more sense now?

 

So I have to be the prettiest, the smartest and the most successful. It's very hard. I can concede some imperfections, but I won't accept one that comes from laziness. I can't be any taller. My legs are never going to be longer, and I have broad shoulders. I'm muscular, so I'm never going to have tiny little arms. But I can have toned arms. Cellulite is hereditary. Some is, at least. Tyra Banks has it, for the love of pete. But I can lose all the fat I possibly can. I can be the best I can be. See what I mean?

 

 

Not all of us like fragile little heroin-addict-looking women, just for the record.

 

Sounds to me while you are the best you can be, you may doubt whether it is the best period.

 

 

-R-

[RecordProducer]

Hijacking is rude, so I want to start my own thread.

 

It has been brought to my attention that if I believe that getting a lap dance is cheating I must hate strippers.

 

I genuinely do not understand this logic.

 

It seems to me that what is being said is that if I'm not ok with my boyfriend having a lap dance, that it can only mean that I am insecure and have an irrational hatred of any woman who takes off her clothes outside her bedroom.

 

That sounds to me like someone blaming me for a behavior they want excused.

 

I have said before that I am jealous of strippers, and I have said why.

 

But I don't have any problem with a guy who doesn't have a girlfriend going to see one.

 

Will someone please explain this to me. I feel that my point is being missed and I'm being labeled as a lunatic because I don't agree that a lap dance is not sexual in nature. It honestly, truly makes no sense to me.

Very nice post and I absolutely agree with everything you wrote.

[catgirl1927]

OIC. Thanks for clearing that up. I was, mistakenly, under the impression that a lap dance is just a lap dance and head was head.

 

I was also wrong about my views on responsibility. I though, for all these years, that people should be responsible for what they do, regardless of having a penis, vagina or both. Apparantly I thought wrong, and what I thought all along was really wrong and what I thought it was wasn't what it was, but what you just told me. Gee, thanks catgirl!!

 

And to think, up until 5 minutes ago I would have thought that maybe you should be pissed at your man for sleeping around, if he actually is.

 

 

 

-R-

 

This response really doesn't make any sense. Instead of answering my questions you just attack me. Maybe you feel like I'm attacking you? I don't mean to.

 

First of all, I don't know where you are. But in Texas, there is no 3 foot rule, there is not a no touching rule. A lapdance is not a woman standing in front of you dancing. It is a woman rubbing herself all over you, making out with you, and in many cases, giving you either a handjob or a blowjob.

 

Strippers do what they do because it pays a lot. They aren't responsible for the moral character of their customers. The liquor store isn't responsible when someone is an alcoholic.

 

You are saying that I hate strippers because they are having sex with someone's boyfriend. No. I don't hate strippers, and you have yet to prove logically that I do. Just saying that they sell sex doesn't mean that I hate them, and I've asked over and over for you to explain why you think it does.

 

What it seems to me that you're saying is, the only reason I don't want my boyfriend to get a lapdance is because I hate strippers because I'm insecure. What would follow is that if I AM secure, I would be ok with the lapdance and not care who else he was with.

 

Maybe if instead of insulting me you tried to actually explain what you're saying, I'd understand. But if all you can do is say, "NO!! you're a crazy bitch if you don't agree with everything I say!" then I'm really wasting my time.

[ronnieromance]

I'm not attacking you. I'm just being sarcastic.

 

I'm in Florida. It's like a smaller, penis shaped Texas. It's largely a red state, it's hot, people like to shoot each other, we get hurricanes, people like football more than anything. Like Texas, there are no 3 foot rules here either...But I guess that would be the difference between a table dance and a lap dance. For the record, we have lap dances in Florida.

 

No I don't think you're attacking me, I think you are trying to say that all strippers are prostitutes because some prostitutes strip. This is, of course, not true. This is why I, and your boyfriend who knows you much better than I, think you have a serious issue with strippers

 

I'm just saying that the only reason this thread was started is because I have a problem with you equating a lap dance to a blow job. If you think a lap dance is cheating, that's fine. I don't. I do think getting some head behind your SO's back is cheating, but I fail to see the relationship between fellatio and lap dancing.

 

Look, as someone who has had copious amounts of oral sex, I can assure you that it was never prefaced by a lap dance.

 

I've explained this like 7 times in 7 ways. You have countered with insinuations that I am an advocate of faithful women and unfaithful men, that I have been, myself, unfaithful, that I an insulting you and want you to agree with everything I say and some other things I don't currently recall.

 

I don't expect or want you to agrre with everything I'm saying. I'm just not buying that a lap dance is even 50% of the time getting the buyer a french kiss, worse about a happy ending.

 

That's like me saying that all Christians are murderous hypocrites because some Christians bomb abortion clinics.

 

CLIFF'S NOTES: You don't have to agree with me.

You don't have to be ok with your man getting lap dances

But I'm not going to sit here and let you sully the good name of strippers by calling them whores!

 

As far as I'm concerned, you're A list because of your desire to build a no kill shelter. I wish more people could see the value of people with 4 legs.

 

But a lapdance isn't head.

 

-R-

[a4a]

But a lapdance isn't head.

 

-R-

 

No it is not. But to some it is just as bad and crosses the boundaries that they choose to have in their life. And that is ok. Not one person can dictate what is a correct boundary in another persons life.

[catgirl1927]

Ronnie,

 

THANK you. That was much easier for me to understand.

 

You know someone who strips personally and feel that I'm saying mean things about them, and that's why this bothers you so much. That makes sense. And it's very chivalrous of you to protect your friends from what you see as an attack on their character.

 

So, some lapdances have sex in them, some don't. I don't know every stripper in Texas, so to say they all will do that is unfair. But many do.

 

I don't believe the strippers are doing anything wrong. For that matter, I don't think whores are doing anything wrong. They're providing a service. They wouldn't do it if there wasn't a market for it. And if a single guy wants a lap dance, a blow job or straight up sex and he's willing to pay for it, hey, why not? I think we should legalize it, protect the girls and tax the crap out of it. I guess that's another reason why I didn't understand how upset you were.

 

For the record, I am not aware that my BF has gone to a strip club since the time we went together and I was watching all these perfect women walk around sneering at me and turned around to see someone getting a blow job in a corner. In one of the nicest clubs in Houston, BTW.

 

As far as my insecurity, I want to try to explain how knowing my BF got a lap dance would make me feel. I think the only reason a guy in a relationship would get a lap dance is because he is dissatisfied with his sex life. His friends buy him one so he can have a chance to be with someone who is actually attractive, because the only woman he's with is his pathetic dog of a girlfriend, the one with the "nice personality". It's humiliating, and the idea that my boyfriend's friends would feel sorry for him because he's stuck with me makes my blood boil. Who the hell are they? If he doesn't want to be with me he can LEAVE. He is not trapped at all. There is no need to humiliate me. I don't deserve to be tricked, lied to and belittled like that.

 

He will go to bachelor parties, he will go to strip clubs. Bachelor parties are important bonding experiences for guys, and I can't ask him not to go. I wouldn't, it's not fair of me, and I wouldn't want to be with a man I could control to that degree anyway.

 

He has friends who will probably buy him lapdances. I can't stop that. He will accept them because I have gained 15 pounds. He's gained more than that, and I don't even want another man anywhere near me, but you can't control how someone else feels. His friends will laugh about how stupid I am. They will lie to me and I will never know. It makes me want to throw up.

 

You can call me crazy and insecure if you want to. But it's just... unfair. I would never want to hurt another person like that. Ever. And when people say it's ok for him to do that to me, that I should be grateful that he's even with me and let him do whatever or whoever he wants, well, f that.

[tinktronik]

I'm not attacking you. I'm just being sarcastic.

 

I'm in Florida. It's like a smaller, penis shaped Texas. It's largely a red state, it's hot, people like to shoot each other, we get hurricanes, people like football more than anything. Like Texas, there are no 3 foot rules here either...But I guess that would be the difference between a table dance and a lap dance. For the record, we have lap dances in Florida.

 

No I don't think you're attacking me, I think you are trying to say that all strippers are prostitutes because some prostitutes strip. This is, of course, not true. This is why I, and your boyfriend who knows you much better than I, think you have a serious issue with strippers

 

I'm just saying that the only reason this thread was started is because I have a problem with you equating a lap dance to a blow job. If you think a lap dance is cheating, that's fine. I don't. I do think getting some head behind your SO's back is cheating, but I fail to see the relationship between fellatio and lap dancing.

 

But a lapdance isn't head.

 

-R-

Okay wait , I have to add something here.Iv'e been a dancer in FL , there is a three foot law , It is simply ignored . The dancers get a little wild grind away , and if they are prostitutes they go home with the guy.

Texas is different , I danced briefly in Texas , the reason I danced briefly here , is because , lapdances here are Head , they are selling sex right in the clubs . Every club I went through from north east south and west , In texas .The dancers were all (except for the brand spanking new ones) giving head and having sex with the clients in the little room known as the private room .Some clubs it even went on on the floor or in a corner of the open area. They get away with it through payoffs and paid off duty policing at the door . Texas is a whole different tomato . So yes in the state of texas , lap dances are about 90% of the time cheating.

[ronnieromance]

Ronnie,

 

THANK you. That was much easier for me to understand.

 

You know someone who strips personally and feel that I'm saying mean things about them, and that's why this bothers you so much. That makes sense. And it's very chivalrous of you to protect your friends from what you see as an attack on their character.

 

 

No, it's not my style. I let that bitch fend for herself. J/K, no I don't actually have anyone in my circle that strips.

 

So, some lapdances have sex in them, some don't. I don't know every stripper in Texas, so to say they all will do that is unfair. But many do.

 

I don't believe the strippers are doing anything wrong. For that matter, I don't think whores are doing anything wrong. They're providing a service. They wouldn't do it if there wasn't a market for it. And if a single guy wants a lap dance, a blow job or straight up sex and he's willing to pay for it, hey, why not? I think we should legalize it, protect the girls and tax the crap out of it. I guess that's another reason why I didn't understand how upset you were.

 

For the record, I am not aware that my BF has gone to a strip club since the time we went together and I was watching all these perfect women walk around sneering at me and turned around to see someone getting a blow job in a corner. In one of the nicest clubs in Houston, BTW.

 

As far as my insecurity, I want to try to explain how knowing my BF got a lap dance would make me feel. I think the only reason a guy in a relationship would get a lap dance is because he is dissatisfied with his sex life. His friends buy him one so he can have a chance to be with someone who is actually attractive, because the only woman he's with is his pathetic dog of a girlfriend, the one with the "nice personality". It's humiliating, and the idea that my boyfriend's friends would feel sorry for him because he's stuck with me makes my blood boil. Who the hell are they? If he doesn't want to be with me he can LEAVE. He is not trapped at all. There is no need to humiliate me. I don't deserve to be tricked, lied to and belittled like that.

 

He will go to bachelor parties, he will go to strip clubs. Bachelor parties are important bonding experiences for guys, and I can't ask him not to go. I wouldn't, it's not fair of me, and I wouldn't want to be with a man I could control to that degree anyway.

 

He has friends who will probably buy him lapdances. I can't stop that. He will accept them because I have gained 15 pounds. He's gained more than that, and I don't even want another man anywhere near me, but you can't control how someone else feels. His friends will laugh about how stupid I am. They will lie to me and I will never know. It makes me want to throw up.

 

You can call me crazy and insecure if you want to. But it's just... unfair. I would never want to hurt another person like that. Ever. And when people say it's ok for him to do that to me, that I should be grateful that he's even with me and let him do whatever or whoever he wants, well, f that.

 

OK, so tink cleared up the unclearable mystery with a non insinuatory post about Texas strippers. So, I concede to your Texasness, catgirl.

 

Not to be judgemental, but your b/f and his friends sound like dicks.

 

Now, had you said Texas strippers, I would not have disagreed with your semtiments. So I see your point. I think you need the caveat thet this is a TX thing, to not sound like you're just trying to slander these chicks. I mean, to most women there is a pretty big difference between stripping and prostitution. Even the ones who strip.

 

Anyway, I still don't think the lapdances are the problem. I think they are a symptom of it for him and the strippers a personification of it for you.

 

 

-R-

[catgirl1927]

Not to be judgemental, but your b/f and his friends sound like dicks.

 

Well, in all fairness, as soon as my boyfriend found out I felt that way, he stopped going completely.

 

I don't think his friends are jerks. I think men are just that way. They honestly don't believe it's cheating, as many men do. Now, the blow jobs, all that, they would think that was cheating. But would you tattle on a friend? Come on. Guys don't do that to other guys, it's against the code!

 

He is not a dick. This does not come from him. I felt this way before I even met him.

[catgirl1927]

And while they may not think it's cheating, you said yourself that the nice girls don't really do it for you. So they still think I'm inadequate, which I reject entirely. And, they keep it from me not because they think it's ok, but because they think I don't need to worry about it if he's still willing to stay with me even though I'm not a hottie.

 

I hope I'm explaining myself right.

[catgirl1927]

One more: It all boils down to respect. Do they think I deserve the respect of fidelity. All this, oh that isn't so bad, and oh, it didn't really mean anything... what garbage. If they respected me, they would think he was lucky to be with me, and not want mechanical sex from someone who doesn't care about them at all.

 

I think there are men who really don't respect women. And as such, they think they can choose what they think cheating is.

 

My poor boyfriend. He's really coming out bad in all this, and I felt like this WAY before I met him or his friends.

[ronnieromance]

And while they may not think it's cheating, you said yourself that the nice girls don't really do it for you. So they still think I'm inadequate, which I reject entirely. And, they keep it from me not because they think it's ok, but because they think I don't need to worry about it if he's still willing to stay with me even though I'm not a hottie.

 

I hope I'm explaining myself right.

 

It's not that they don't "do it for me", i just want someone a little...I don't know; The idea of dating a virgin is the ultimate in turn-ons to some men. I have no desire to do so, feel like I am, or have a fantasy about it. Inexperience is annoying to me.

 

No, that doesn't mean I want to date women I can't trust or "bad girls", but I've come to grips with the fact that I may never, and more than likely won't ever find someone to have that breadth of character/personality to intrigue both sides of my brain. It'd be nice though.

 

In realizing that, I have to also, conversely realize and be ok with the fact that I probably won't be that for anyone who has had more than a couple of relationships either.

 

Maybe it's just being jaded, but I'm at a point where, if someone isn't in my life the way they used to be, I won't sweat it. I won't worry about anyone leaving because I approch things with the mindset that nothing is forever. It may be a healthy detatchment or it may be wholely unhealthy, but I feel it keeps me in balance with and keeps me from pulling my hair out.

 

 

 

-R-

[grateful]

I have a question about the song "I'm in love with a stripper" by T Pain.

 

Do you think it's a joke? kind of a Weird Al parody song? or serious?

 

I've been trying to figure it out.

 

Cause the thing is, and this is sad, this does happen to men. They believe the fantasy is real and start hanging out with their favorite stripper. They call her on the phone and they think she is a "girlfriend" but really the strippers just want the men to take them shopping. And order more dances each time they come into the club. I mean, I know that strippers have real relationships and not all do this thing where they exploit the sad, pathetic men who mistake fantasy for reality. But it happens quite a bit.

[catgirl1927]

Well, as I have been married and am in my 30s, I don't think anyone is harboring any illusions of my virginity.

 

I think your viewpoint is kind of negative and defeatist, but I can certainly see where that kind of thinking comes from. I also think you are underestimating both yourself and women. A man can easily be a good father and a hot lay; why can't a woman be the same? I think I can.

 

The thing is, we're talking about having a family. We are talking about forever. I don't intend to have a family with someone who is going to leave, and although I have prepared in the back of my mind for that eventuality, I really, really don't want it to come to that. Not because of money, but because my father was such a s*** and I'm not having a kid with a loser father. So I feel like I have a lot to lose.

 

You're probably happier than me, because you don't worry about stuff like I do.

[alphamale]

The thing is, we're talking about having a family. We are talking about forever. I don't intend to have a family with someone who is going to leave, and although I have prepared in the back of my mind for that eventuality, I really, really don't want it to come to that.

There are no 100% guarantees for ANYTHING in life CG1927....can you guarantee your husband 100% that you will never leave him? I think not.

[ronnieromance]

One more: It all boils down to respect. Do they think I deserve the respect of fidelity. All this, oh that isn't so bad, and oh, it didn't really mean anything... what garbage. If they respected me, they would think he was lucky to be with me, and not want mechanical sex from someone who doesn't care about them at all.

 

I think there are men who really don't respect women. And as such, they think they can choose what they think cheating is.

 

My poor boyfriend. He's really coming out bad in all this, and I felt like this WAY before I met him or his friends.

 

I think I may have come off as someone who's all for open marriage as long as the woman is faithful and blah blah blah. OK, I don't think I came off that way at all, but I think you may have thought I was like that.

 

I'm not. I think respect and communication is of utmost importance in a relationship. I was, apparantly, wrong about the amount of fellatio that takes place in Texas, and have since conceded to your views of why a lapdance equals cheating (in Texas, only ).

 

I think there are men who really don't respect women as well and I ain't one of them.

 

But I'll let you in on a secret; I think sometimes (and this isn't an excuse, or a green light, or na "it's ok". It's an answer to why this desire for strange pussy (sorry, but you may not hate the term if I tell you that's what I named the stray cat on my neighborhood ) comes up;

 

Sometimes it's because we have a hard time reconciling the idea of objectifying a woman and loving her as a person. Sometimes the sex changes after we wake up next to you a lot. Sometimes the dirty s*** we had in mind for you, just doesn't seem right after you have our kids.

 

This isn't an absolute, it may not be true for all guys, but I realized this happend to me and I've been trying to get to the bottom of it. I think I'm like halfway there. But, yeah, it's a maddona/whore thing I don't fully understand.

 

I'M NOT CONDONING INFIDELITY. I'm trying to clear up some of the mysteries of the mind of people with penises.

 

 

 

-R-