what about the issue of suicide?

[Spank'n'Rationality]

Is that right? But, technically, the anticChrist is against Christ, how can an alledged vicar of Christ start talking blasphemies and proclaim to everyone that he is god.

 

The movie franchise with Cloud 9 portays the antichrist as Nick Macolluso character on "Judgement', 'Revelatoins' and 'Apocolypse' as some New Age guru in control of the world teaching people New Age witchery and persecuting Christians, and wears a three piece suit and has a face you could laugh at if he is the monster described in the bible.

 

Then you have the Left Behind movie that portays the antichrist as some Russian sounding person who has special powers that he can kill people by extreme telekenitic powers, and also wears a three-piece suit. Peter and Paul Lalonde used to have a show called 'This Week in Bible Prophecy", I dont know if you remember it, but eventually branched off into Cloud 9 and started this new movie franchise.

 

I've heard other stories that the antichrist is from Syria, or that there is a future war with Israel, the gog and magog war of Ezekiel 38 or something, and nations start fighting against Israel and they are delivered by a supernatural miracle. Just after that, the antichrist brokers a peace treaty with Israel's enemies, brings peace to that region and a third temple is built in Jerusalem as stated in Daniel 9.

 

I dont know if I can buy the antichrist is a future pope, but I can understand a future pope supporting an antichrist, and then the antichrist nuking the catholic church after it's done using it. I believe the catholic church may represent Mystery Babylon whore - but the antichrist sounds too farfetched.

 

The religious authentication that the antichrist will likely need would probably come from the cathlolic church, a pope just has to say 'This guy is a man of God, and has a unique revelation of God', and the antichrist is believed by millions of gullible catholics that are left behind. But a pope, seriously, how do you figure it's a pope, I'm really curious?

 

I can buy that; supposedly most people--Christian and non--will support the Antichrist; what kind of test/trial created by God would be so easily decerned? Well, unless you consider the possibility that the "Antichrist" was actually the Roman Emperor Nero and the "whore of Babylon" Rome, as many historians believe.

 

Hahahaha, if the Antichrist is yet to come, I can't help but to find the irony humorous at the prospect of many supposed Christians supporting him (which--if Revelation is indeed refering to the future rather than to ancient Rome--is supposed to happen).

[Spank'n'Rationality]

What if he/she was mentally ill? Had Schizophrenia? And they killed themselves? Is that person going to HELL because of mental illness? Something they had no control over.

 

I'm just curious.

 

Well, as I have said, I don't believe in hell, but according to my understanding of the bible, I don't believe that anyone is accountable for his/her actions if he/she is not capable of reasonably understanding right from wrong, which includes those people with severe mental disturbances who can't comprehend the concept of morality.

[radiation7740]

God doesn't care how you die. What if God really did give me a command to blow my brains out? I would be the hypocrite for not following through. Maybe he would use my suicide as a testimony to draw several others to faith in Christ. The context of those scriptures about the body being the temple of the Holy Spirit say nothing about suicide. The context is actually dealing with sexual immorality.

 

By the way I never claimed to love God. I claimed that God loves us. Loving God is not the issue for salvation. Believeing in His Son Jesus Christ is according to John 3:16-18. Actually most of the book of the gospel of John repeatedly tells us that the only sin that will send a person to hell is the sin of unbelief in Jesus. None of the christians lived perfect sinless lives after they got saved. The apostle paul struggled with sin in his flesh (Romans 7). All God asks us to do to be saved is to receive His gift of love. It's not about us loving God. It's about Him loving us first.

 

The mistake alot of preachers make today is that they assume that the entire bible is written to us. It is not. The entire bible is written for us but not all of it is written to us. You have to rightly divide the Word of Truth (2nd Timothy 2:15) There is a difference between old covenant and new covenant. We are not under the old covenant anymore. We are under a new covenant which is a covenant of grace. It is covenant between God & Jesus and it is not based on our performance. I look at the bible as a book to benefit my life. It's not a rule book to control my life.

[radiation7740]

Um, I never said a Christain who commits suicide is a hypocrite, but now that you mention it, they would be, unless they had some sort of mental disturbance that reduced their abiltiy to reason and they didn't know what they were doing.

 

Anyway, I read the bible because I like to be educated before I make life altering decisions, including what religion to follow. I have also read the Koran, as well as many other religious texts; it is called being well-rounded. I am telling you how a Christian should act by the standereds set for you in your own religious doctrine (the New and Old Testiment); I hold the Christian bible in the highest respect, and I admire those who follow it's teaching. However, I have nothing but contempt for the people who claim to be devoute Christians, preaching to others, when they don't "practice what they preach," when they say one thing ("I love God!") and then go around disrespecting others and/or themselves ("It's okay to commit suicide because it's my body," when, in fact, though God gives you free will, in killing yourself you are killing a piece of God, as you were created in His image and contain His spirit).

 

Yet again you are inferring things that I NEVER said; where in any of my posts did I write that I was not interested in becoming Christain? Are you assuming that because I said that I don't believe in hell? I am an open-minded person; if tomorrow something occured in my life to make me believe otherwise, I would have no problem fully accepting Christianity. However, though I find many teachings in the bible to be very profound and enlightened, and I try to follow them (the commandments) as best I can, because I find them to be a moral way of living, I don't believe that any one religion is the TRUE religion; every spiritual, religious text I have read have had their good aspects as well as their bad, so I try to follow those things that I find to be moral, valuable, and humane. See, unlike you, I don't claim to be something, and then justify my beliefs that conflict with my religious orinetation as standardized by it's religious doctrines by ignoring certain important aspects of them. If the idea that destroying your body is a sin bothers you, then you should find a new religion, or just say that although you strive to be Christian, you can't fully commit to all of it's ideals. Oh, and most of all, you should stop preaching the "Word" to others, and condeming them, when you yourself don't commit fully to it (the "Word"/Bible); that's the hypocracy of which I wrote of.

 

 

Thank you very much for working for satan. He's having a blast using you to bring condemnation upon me Condemnation comes from satan not God. All I have to say is go talk to my Father in heaven & get lost. Go accuse somebody else. Satan is the accuser of the brethern. Jesus is my defense attorney. God the Father is the judge. By the way satan quotes scripture too. He quoted scripture to Jesus out of context and you are doing the same thing.

[Admiral Thrawn]

radiation7740;

 

- The Bible clearly say, in the NT all over the place, that if you can fall from grace by living in sin. The wages of sin is death. God is not mocked, whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap, he who reaps to the Spirit reaps life everlasting, to the flesh death. Same thing in Galations 5, read that, if you commit any of these sins habitually, you go to hell. In Romans 6, if you live a lifestyle of sin, you end up in hell.

 

- The Bible does not support a 'once saved always saved doctrine', it seems to support a 'once saved your on probation until death, but you can lose your salvation if you either choose to add something to the work of grace in Christ Jesus in the form of works, or if you deny your profession in action by living a lifestyle that is characterised by habitual sin and unconfessed sin'

 

- Jesus delivers people from sin, that's actually part of the salvation process. So, if you are sinning, and you cant help it, the power of God is strong enough to beat the stronghold.

 

- Suicide is a sin. In satanism, suicide is regarded as self-sacrifice to the devil and is ENCOURAGED. Are you a satanist or a Christian radiation7740?

If you are a Christian, then why would you sacrifice yourself to the devil then?

 

You are deceived, suicide is not an option.

[radiation7740]

radiation7740;

 

- The Bible clearly say, in the NT all over the place, that if you can fall from grace by living in sin. The wages of sin is death. God is not mocked, whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap, he who reaps to the Spirit reaps life everlasting, to the flesh death. Same thing in Galations 5, read that, if you commit any of these sins habitually, you go to hell. In Romans 6, if you live a lifestyle of sin, you end up in hell.

 

- The Bible does not support a 'once saved always saved doctrine', it seems to support a 'once saved your on probation until death, but you can lose your salvation if you either choose to add something to the work of grace in Christ Jesus in the form of works, or if you deny your profession in action by living a lifestyle that is characterised by habitual sin'

 

- Jesus delivers people from sin, that's actually part of the salvation process. So, if you are sinning, and you cant help it, the power of God is strong enough to beat the stronghold.

 

- Suicide is a sin. In satanism, suicide is regarded as self-sacrifice to the devil and is ENCOURAGED. Are you a satanist or a Christian radiation7740?

If you are a Christian, then why would you sacrifice yourself to the devil then?

 

 

Christ saves us from our sin. That doesn't mean He saves us from sinning. There's a difference. To be saved from sin means to be saved from it's power. The power of sin is in the law. The only way to be set free from sin is to be set free from the law. Sin has no power to condemn the believer back into spiritual death. Why? because the blood of Christ has removed sin's power forever.

[Admiral Thrawn]

Christ saves us from our sin. That doesn't mean He saves us from sinning. There's a difference. To be saved from sin means to be saved from it's power. The power of sin is in the law. The only way to be set free from sin is to be set free from the law. Sin has no power to condemn the believer back into spiritual death. Why? because the blood of Christ has removed sin's power forever.

 

Romans 7 addresses this issue.

 

I've read JS commentaries that say, Jesus doesn't save in sin, He saves from sin, that means the alcoholic ceases to drink alcohol, the drug addict ceases to be an addict, etc.... so the removal of the power of sin, is literally means the power to stop sinning.

 

Now, it's true there is no condemnation in Chris Jesus, but it also true that there is no license to sin either as THAT doctrine is soundly condemned. You are not considering all the relevant scriptures, but just cherry-picking those that support your own mind-set.

[johan]

Is it a sin to execute murderers? It's killing isn't it? But we know that the 6th commandment is referring to murder and not all killings. If you read the same book of Exodous clearly shows capital punishment is scriptural. Therefore I believe in capital punishment for murderers not for revenge but to keep society safe.

 

I believe the point God makes in the book of Exodous is that I don't have the right to destroy other people but I certainly have a right to destroy myself if I want to. I just don't have the right to take another person's life.

If you can keep society safe without killing the offender, then is it wrong to go ahead and kill him? If you can punish him without killing him, then should you kill him? If you can deter others through methods other than killing him, then is it right to kill him? Does God demand that we take his life, when it's the man's soul that matters? I can't find a justification for capital punishment that makes sense.

 

Calling it an expense savings just cheapens all life to me. If it is a means to justice, then I think it's a fine line between that justice and revenge, and I don't trust people to be careful not to cross it. I don't think people generally care to differentiate.

 

Regarding suicide: I believe you owe it to God to live your life to reach your potential. You were born for a reason determined by God, and suicide is the same as rejecting God's decision that your life has meaning. It is a sin to call God wrong, I'd say, as it is the same as putting your own judgment above God's. That is what killing yourself amounts to.

[radiation7740]

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 & Galatians 5:16-21 are not talking about behavior. They are talking about identity. A born again believer no longer has the identity of a fornicator. Now whether his behavior is consistent with his identity is a different issue. But that doesn't change his brand new identity.

 

These passages are not saying that if born again believers lie or commit fornication that they lose their salvation. Rather it's identifying different types of lost people. 1st Corinthians 6:11 says that "such were some of you" that doesn't mean the christians stopped committing those sins. It means they have a new identity. The work of Christ set them apart & made them new creatures. Now I can act contrary to my new identity if I want to but that doesn't change my identity. Just as a worm is transformed into a butterfly. That butterfly has the capacity to fly but he can still crawl with his worm buddies if he wants to. But he's still a butterfly. He will never become a worm again. Just as a new creature in Christ will never become an old creature again although he may not be living a life that's consistent with his new identity.

[radiation7740]

One rule of biblical interpretation is that we must interpret obscure passages in light of the obvious ones. Never interpret the obvious in light of the obscure. The book of Romans chapters 3-5 also clearly talk about the fact that righteousness is imputed. It's not something we earn through obeying the law. Galatians is clear about this as well. Righteousness of Christ imputed to the sinner who does NOT work but believes on Him who justifies the ungodly. (Romans 4:5) Also God's mercy triumphs over His judgement. All judgement passages must be interpreted in light of the mercy passages and not vice versa.

[Spank'n'Rationality]

God doesn't care how you die. What if God really did give me a command to blow my brains out? I would be the hypocrite for not following through.

 

...since you don't care about the "Old Covenant," which is concerning the teachings/stories in the Old Testament, I am sure you are not going to compare such a supposed divine request with that of God's request for Abraham kill his son Isaac? And even if you are prepared to make such an observation, you will also observe that God stoped him. It seems that it would be Satan, not God, that would ask someone to destroy the most precious thing God has given you: Life (which contains His spirit). Anyway, if something is telling you to end your life, you should take a moment to consider the fact that you may need help psychologically and/or spiritually.

 

Maybe he would use my suicide as a testimony to draw several others to faith in Christ.

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think many people are going to find faith in Christ just because a person killed his/herself claiming the reason for doing so is due to the fact that "God" told them to. What kind of reasonable person wants to follow a religion that promotes suicide?

 

By the way I never claimed to love God. I claimed that God loves us. Loving God is not the issue for salvation.

 

So you don't love God?

 

Believeing in His Son Jesus Christ is according to John 3:16-18. Actually most of the book of the gospel of John repeatedly tells us that the only sin that will send a person to hell is the sin of unbelief in Jesus. None of the christians lived perfect sinless lives after they got saved. The apostle paul struggled with sin in his flesh (Romans 7). All God asks us to do to be saved is to receive His gift of love. It's not about us loving God. It's about Him loving us first.

 

Do you know that John was very nearly not cannonized (accepted into the New Testament)? It is one of the most gnostic gospels in the bible; funny that it is the one you seem to put the most emphasis on.

 

There is a difference between old covenant and new covenant. We are not under the old covenant anymore. We are under a new covenant which is a covenant of grace. It is covenant between God & Jesus and it is not based on our performance.

 

Matthew (ASV) 5:17-5:20: Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

(I'm sure you'll find a way to argue your way out of this one too...)

[radiation7740]

...since you don't care about the "Old Covenant," which is concerning the teachings/stories in the Old Testament, I am sure you are not going to compare such a supposed divine request with that of God's request for Abraham kill his son Isaac? And even if you are prepared to make such an observation, you will also observe that God stoped him. It seems that it would be Satan, not God, that would ask someone to destroy the most precious thing God has given you: Life (which contains His spirit). Anyway, if something is telling you to end your life, you should take a moment to consider the fact that you may need help psychologically and/or spiritually.

 

 

 

I could be wrong, but I don't think many people are going to find faith in Christ just because a person killed his/herself claiming the reason for doing so is due to the fact that "God" told them to. What kind of reasonable person wants to follow a religion that promotes suicide?

 

 

 

So you don't love God?

 

 

 

Do you know that John was very nearly not cannonized (accepted into the New Testament)? It is one of the most gnostic gospels in the bible; funny that it is the one you seem to put the most emphasis on.

 

 

 

Matthew (ASV) 5:17-5:20: Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass away from the law, till all things be accomplished. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. For I say unto you, that except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no wise enter into the kingdom of heaven.

 

(I'm sure you'll find a way to argue your way out of this one too...)

 

 

Well the difference between a christian committing suicide and an islam doing it is that at least the christian would execute himself in a spot where he knew beyond a shadow of a doubt that he would not hurt or kill innocent by standers in the process. At least the christian cares about the safety of others around him. The islamic terrorists don't even consider the safety of others around them before they blow themselves up. They don't care.

 

The new covenant did not go into effect until after Jesus died. Therefore the sermon on the mount in Mathew 5 was Jesus trying to illustrate to us what true righteousness is. His ministry was preparing us for the cross & resurrection. The sermon on the mount was meant to bury us under the law and show us that we could not attain true righteousness. Because true righteousness is perfection. If Jesus had not taught us these things in the sermon on the mount then we would not have seen our need for His provision of His death, burial, & resurrection.

[Admiral Thrawn]

1st Corinthians 6:9-10 & Galatians 5:16-21 are not talking about behavior. They are talking about identity. A born again believer no longer has the identity of a fornicator. Now whether his behavior is consistent with his identity is a different issue. But that doesn't change his brand new identity.

 

No, it is talking about behaviour. I have the bible opened infront of me and I"m quoting out of Galatians 5 on the KJV version, it says:

 

Galatians 5:16 "Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfill the lusts of the flesh. 17. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary to one to the other so that ye cannot DO the things that ye would. 18. But if ye be led of the Spirit ye are not under the law. 19. Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these...[lists whole bunch of sins]....v 21THEY WHICH DO SUCH THINGS SHALL NOT INHERIT THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

 

It is in black and white, it's talking about behaviour, you do sins that are listed there in an unrepentant and unconfessed state you go to hell. The flesh lusteth against the Spirit resulting in a perpetual static conflict. If you are under the law, then despite your best efforts to keep the law you are going to fail. If you are walking in the Spirit and trusting in Christ, then you are not under the law, AND you will overcome the flesh by the power of the Spirit.

 

 

These passages are not saying that if born again believers lie or commit fornication that they lose their salvation. Rather it's identifying different types of lost people.

 

Galatians is referring to born-again Christians, and is talking about the flesh overcoming a Christian and causing those sins. The book of James says that 'faith without works is dead', and Jesus says, 'by their fruits ye shall know them'. Your lifestyle has to add up to your profession, because the bible consistantly brings the message that actions supporting your profession are louder than words. It doesn't mean to be self-righteous, but it does mean, that there is no way you can be born-again and feel comfortable committing these type of sins without compunction, and being unrepentant about it as the Spirit will always check you and you'll know something is not right. So, in real answer, a person who is comfortable with those sins can not be born-again in the first place, and if they were at some point have obviously backslided and need to rededicate their lives to the Lord.

 

Finally, Hebrews 12:15-17 "Looking diligently lest any man fail of the grace of God; lest any root of bitterness springing up trouble you, and thereby many be defiled. Lest there be any fornicator, or profane person, as Esau, who for one morsel of meat sold his birthright. For ye know how that afterwards, when he would have inherited the blessing, he was rejected: for he found no place of repentance, though he sought it carefully with tears".

 

Failing of the grace of God, selling your birthright for some temporal relief?

These sound like they are strong statements, at least to me.

 

Then you have Ephesians 5:1-3,4 "Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children. And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweet-smelling savor. But fornication, and all uncleannesss, or covetousness, LET IT NOT BE ONCE NAMED AMONG YOU, AS BECOMETH SAINTS; For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

 

Again, this sounds very strong, is says, let it not be even ONCE named, here it's not even talking about habitual sin, even once is one time too many to be playing with that sin.

 

Romans 6: 15-16 "What then? shalll we sin because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or obedience unto righteousness?"

 

Jesus said he who commits sin is a servant to sin.

 

That means death arises as a consequence for being a servant to sin, righteousness leads to live. If you are committing sin, then you are obeying sin, and are a servant to sin and will die. If you are trusting Christ, then you will ultimtely overcome sin, your lifestyle will add up to your profession through obedience to the Spirit and strength by faith in Christ.

 

Now you are right in self-righteousness does not cut it. However, obedience to the voice of the Spirit does. If the Lord tells you to do something, by voice or through the word, then you better listen. So far, the Lord has instructed us not to sin, in particularly the sins mentioned consistently in the New Testament. If you fail to obey and deliberately choose not to obey, then you are obeying sin, and the consequence of sin is spiritual death.

 

These verses are in black and white, and address what you are saying. There is no such thing in the Bible as having a license to sin. If you sin, the consequence is seperation from God in some way.

[alphamale]

I've asked several other ministers who also agree with me on this. Bob George, Charles Stanley, Chuck Swindoll, Tony Evans, Paul Carden, Ron Rhodes, Hank Hannegraaff, David Breese, Robert Morey, Robert Theime, Etc all believe that christians who commit suicide go to heaven.

WTF! How do any of these people know for sure??? Have any of them died and gone to heaven? Do any of them have direct proof from someone else who's died and gone to heaven and reported back? Show me concrete evidence and then I'll believe it.

[bluetuesday]

suicide is self-murder. it is an act of desperation for a soul which is tormented to the point of being unable to see any hope, any salvation, any point to life.

 

if a 'christian' was to commit suicide, what that act would truly be telling god is this:

 

i reject god's law that murder is wrong.

i reject god's gift of life.

i reject all possibility that god has any power to improve my situation.

i reject the idea that life is worth preserving.

i reject the idea that with god all things are possible.

 

now consider which of these statements is in alignment with anything jesus gave his life to teach you. and then consider whether a person whose actions fundamentally reject god's power, wisdom and love, could be called a christian.

 

no christian ever commits suicide. those people who do take their own lives have lost their faith in god.

 

i am sorry your brother when through this. but there is help available to release you from any envy you feel towards him.

 

perhaps getting professional help would be more beneficial to you than speaking to religious leaders who think that a total rejection of god's gift of life is in any way acceptable.

[Love Hurts]

None of us knows it all. Some are more educated in the doctrine of Christ.

John Hagie and Jack Van Impee are great for educating.

 

Divorce in BC. period was ordained if a spouse was caught committing adultry. The guilty party was stoned to death hence the very next day the spouse remaining was free to marrie the very next day.

 

A little wine is good for the soul, yet we are not to be caught drunken.

 

(mind you I am not a scholar of the word ... this is in Psalms somewhere)

 

Thou shall not steal is in the ten commandments.

Fornicators and adulterers alike will be condemed for their sins.

 

 

I know those are written facts... yet I have no verse off the top of my head to stand on... go to a Bible Online and look up ..key words ..they will show you the scriptures you need to varify your beliefs. I should do it at the moment yet I have no personal desire to research... Shame on me.

That is where I am at the moment ... God forgive me for my slouch yet I am making a futile attempt to respond to your post.

 

The key note is on suicide..... that one topic. I have great intrest in.

 

All sins are forgiven once saved......... and as you made note you are tired of trying to work your way into heaven.

 

It is not by your works...... It is by the precious blood of Jesus.

If your works could get you to heaven ..... then Jesus died in vein.

 

Let us realize his purpose.... For he that so ever believeth in Him... shall not perish.. but have.. everlasting life.. John 3:16

 

Only believe is an Assention of the Heart.. Not the Mental Assent we choose to act upon.

 

The heart feels God and loves God....

 

The mind has a desire to purchase a ticket for the hear after with no desire to know or do more for the ticket master.

We remain unchanged in every aspect of evolving into more of what we can and should be... We just run around spouting I am saved... hence you have mental assent as appose to assention of the heart.

 

There is a rude awakening for workers ... working their way into heaven.

Which excludes the blood shed of Jesus on the cross.

 

However once saved, good works hold accountablity in heaven.

 

Samson of the bible was the perfect example of suicide. Was he not?

Samson knew when he asked God for strength one last time to wipe out the Phillistines in the Temple of Gaza..... he would die with them.

 

God gave him his strength one last time and he died with the Philistines.

 

In short Samson of the Bible committed suicide. His name was not eliminated from list of Saints in the book of Hebrew (the suicide maniac that he was).... His name is listed amongst the Saints. God has not forsaken Samson.

 

God knows our hearts and minds. Think of it we can get a broken leg and anyone can see our impediment. But a broken mind or a broken heart, depression. These are things others may not see. Or understand.

 

If left untreated an individual is capable of committing suicide.

I believe if once saved always saved..........

Suicide victims are welcome into heaven.. if they are saved.....as was Samson before us.

 

The only unforgivable sin is: blasphemy of the Holy Spirit... if a soul has done that............. there is no hope for heaven ever.

Once knowing guilty of that............. they may as well enjoy this life to the fullest.... this is all the joy they shall ever know.

 

I am a born again Christian with issues and personal problems .....

God does give me strength to hold on just one more day..

 

At times I have considered taking my life and just being done with it.

The amazing thing is ..... what a difference a day makes.

I can wake up the very next day and say ... wow... im thankful I made it through the night.

 

Personally I have been crushed more times in life than I want to mention.

Yet alone recall.................. for me to still hold and be here makes me consider... God only gives us what we can handle.

 

I have yelled and lost it ..screaming at God... (shamefully) telling Him he gives me too much to carry ... in the end.... I seem to pull through and I am just thankful I made through another crisis...

 

What does'nt kill us makes us stronger... that is the plan.

Also if we loved this life so much,,,,,,,,,, and it were painfree, full of joy, peace and happiness. Who would ever want to leave?

Who would consider or need God.

 

Pain is a tool used to whip us into shape. God chastizes His own.

If a soul does not belong to Him... he does not pay them any mind.

They pretty much seem to get away with anything in this life.

There is a reason;... for that soul... this is all there is... let them enjoy heaven on earth.....

 

One last key note.... For the wages of sin is death.......... we are all guilty of sin.

Consider sexual sin.... When we sin knowingly and willfully ... usually it is great pleasure. We can forget; God does not want us to behave this way..

After all we are beyond that... we are two consenting adults are we not?

 

 

God eventually sends us a wake up call... see.. for the wages of sin is death.. Death comes in many degrees. It does not always mean you are simply just going to hell for life. Death of the joy, peace, harmony in the relationships we have created in sin are enough to kill us...

 

So we pay now and pay later.... sin begets sin..... we rebound and get another relationship going ... rolling on a road of no return.. if is often one futile relationship after the next... this is not over night ... These circumstances often times occur over a period of years for most of us.

 

For many of us.. half the pain we have endured in life ... we could have been exempt from experiencing had we followed Gods plan for living this life. I have died many times in this life (not phsically) I know it was because I did what I wanted to do..............as appose to what Jesus would have me do.

 

In short I am far from perfect.... in the aftermath of my handywork... I can see the price I have personally paid for taking;... "for the wages of sin is death".. too lightly.

[Admiral Thrawn]

There are only two main reasons for depression in life as a man, and I think they are money and women. The Bible says contentment with food and clothing and Godliness is great gain.

[Outcast]

There are only two main reasons for depression in life as a man, and I think they are money and women.

 

Depression is situational and biological. Clinical depression has no 'reason' other than that certain chemicals are not working right. Situational depression is caused by many, many things - often pertaining to loss of some sort.

[radiation7740]

suicide is self-murder. it is an act of desperation for a soul which is tormented to the point of being unable to see any hope, any salvation, any point to life.

 

if a 'christian' was to commit suicide, what that act would truly be telling god is this:

 

i reject god's law that murder is wrong.

i reject god's gift of life.

i reject all possibility that god has any power to improve my situation.

i reject the idea that life is worth preserving.

i reject the idea that with god all things are possible.

 

now consider which of these statements is in alignment with anything jesus gave his life to teach you. and then consider whether a person whose actions fundamentally reject god's power, wisdom and love, could be called a christian.

 

no christian ever commits suicide. those people who do take their own lives have lost their faith in god.

 

i am sorry your brother when through this. but there is help available to release you from any envy you feel towards him.

 

perhaps getting professional help would be more beneficial to you than speaking to religious leaders who think that a total rejection of god's gift of life is in any way acceptable.

 

 

I can't afford to get professional help because I don't have medical insurance. Besides the professionals cannot relate to what I'm going through because there is spiritual warfare going on with me. Mental health professionals cannot be of help to someone who is going through spiritual warfare simply because the professionals don't believe it exists. They don't believe in the God of the bible. They don't believe that satan is a real being. I do. Maybe you don't believe in spiritual warfare but I do. The only people who understand where I'm coming from are christian leaders. They are the only ones I want to talk to.

[Chris777]

I can't afford to get professional help because I don't have medical insurance. Besides the professionals cannot relate to what I'm going through because there is spiritual warfare going on with me. Mental health professionals cannot be of help to someone who is going through spiritual warfare simply because the professionals don't believe it exists. They don't believe in the God of the bible. They don't believe that satan is a real being. I do. Maybe you don't believe in spiritual warfare but I do.

 

Their is spiritual warfare going on with you, but you appear to be in the middle of it like you are swating at a whole swarm of bees surrounding you.

Sometimes it is best to be still and look for God. In your struggles, you appear to be seeking anwsers from everywhere but where you should, the scriptures. They do not lie, and cannot be broken. If you need guidance as to what scriptures to read, then ask, the "spiritual leaders" But if they offer advice, and it does not have accord with the scriptures, then they are liars. I don't buy into Godless psychology either. It is mercurial, and turned easily in the wind, and has no foundation other than the imaginings of a few men, who do not even agree with each other, and if they all disagree amongst themselves, do you really want to trust yourself to them?

Just like the false teachers, seek the word of God first. and try to be patient.

 

 

The only people who understand where I'm coming from are christian leaders. They are the only ones I want to talk to.

 

You need to talk to God, not men, he is the only one who can heal you.

 

Slow down and seek his face.

[Spank'n'Rationality]

Thank you very much for working for satan. He's having a blast using you to bring condemnation upon me Condemnation comes from satan not God. All I have to say is go talk to my Father in heaven & get lost. Go accuse somebody else. Satan is the accuser of the brethern. Jesus is my defense attorney. God the Father is the judge. By the way satan quotes scripture too. He quoted scripture to Jesus out of context and you are doing the same thing.

 

And again with the hypocracy: You accuse me of working for Satan, yet I am the accuser? You are the firthest person from living as a Christian should!

 

Hahaha, and telling me to "get lost"? Awww, can't handle the fact that what I am telling you is true? Or are you just pissed that some "non-Christian" might have a better understanding of the bible than you?

 

So take your own advice and talk to God rather than coming to LS for people's opinions just to accuse them of "working for satan" when they try to benifit you. Why even bother posting about something that you obviously already have an opinion regarding? You already don't believe that people who commit suicide go to hell, so why ask others what they believe just to condem them? I'll tell you why: You aren't interested in our advice, or the truth, you are interested in finding others who agree with you, and condeming those who do not. Grow up. I seriously doubt that Satan--or those working for him--would try to quote scripture in an aspect that suggests that suicide is wrong; quite the contrary. If anyone here has demonic powers working with them and clouding their better judgement...it is YOU!

[radiation7740]

And again with the hypocracy: You accuse me of working for Satan, yet I am the accuser? the firthest person from living as a Christian should!

 

Hahaha, and telling me to "get lost"? Awww, can't handle the fact that what I am telling you is true? Or are you just pissed that some "non-Christian" might have a better understanding of the bible than you?

 

So take your own advice and talk to God rather than coming to LS for people's opinions just to accuse them of "working for satan" when they try to benifit you. Why even bother posting about something that you obviously already have an opinion regarding? You already don't believe that people who commit suicide go to hell, so why ask others what they believe just to condem them? I'll tell you why: You aren't interested in our advice, or the truth, you are interested in finding others who agree with you, and condeming those who do not. Grow up. I seriously doubt that Satan--or those working for him--would try to quote scripture in an aspect that suggests that suicide is wrong; quite the contrary. If anyone here has demonic powers working with them and clouding their better judgement...it is YOU!

 

 

I see nothing in your posts that would benefit me at all. All I read in your posts is condemnation and judgement. You think you are helping but you are not. Why should you care anyway how I live my life? What is it to you? I'm not out hurting anyone else. I think the motivation for your posts is self serving. I wasn't put on this planet to live according to your standards or to fulfill your dreams. You may give up on me but Jesus won't. Thank God He's more merciful and understanding than you will ever be.

[radiation7740]

Yeah actually satan would try to tell anyone who is suicidal that God won't forgive them. That would be satan's way of scaring them. Fear does not come from God. It comes from satan. The religious world has used the same scare tactic because they want members to come to their church and pay money. Tithing is not for today either.

[radiation7740]

Actually Jesus committed suicide too by dying on that cross. He had the power to save Himself but He chose not to. That makes His death a suicide. But had He not committed suicide then all of us would perish.

[Spank'n'Rationality]

I see nothing in your posts that would benefit me at all. All I read in your posts is condemnation and judgement. You think you are helping but you are not. Why should you care anyway how I live my life? What is it to you? I'm not out hurting anyone else. I think the motivation for your posts is self serving. I wasn't put on this planet to live according to your standards or to fulfill your dreams. You may give up on me but Jesus won't. Thank God He's more merciful and understanding than you will ever be.

 

Why the hell post something, if you don't want responses? The only person here condeming anyone is you! You have said thrice now that I serve Satan! You say that I am neither understanding, nor merciful, when I have tried to help you! You are not the only person who has problems. I am not condeming you; I am trying to enlighten you. I have quoted things for you, I have tried to educate you concerning your misunderstanding of Catholicism, as well as many other things, but after reading your other posts, I have concluded why you are here: You want ATTENTION. You want to have your beliefs confirmed, and YOU condem the majority of us who disagree with you. I don't give a damn about how you live your life, but when you post that you want to commit suicide, you obviously want attention which I (as well as numerous others) unfortunatly gave you; so you got what you wanted...congradulations. I didn't give up on you; if you are at the point of suicide, you have obviously given up on yourself. Go seek help from God, Jesus, priests, doctors, the homeless guy on the street, whoever. Maybe that's your problem: too much time waiting for others to help you, rather than getting off your ass and trying to help yourself.

 

Now, I am tired of putting my time and energy into trying to disway your views concerning suicide. I have done all I could, and have wasted enough of my energy on this ignorant bulls***. You know what, you are absolutely right; the bible definately suggests that suicide is permissable. Hell, it's the only way to go! God doesn't want to waste his energy trying to determine how he should kill you off, he would much rather you do the work for him. I mean, he is so busy trying to get ready for the apocalypse, that I am sure he would really appreciate your killing yourself, so he doesn't have to worry about what to do with you anymore. s***, before you go, you should have sex with married women, eat until you puke, and rob a bank before you kill yourself too! If, just because you are Christain, you have a free pass to heaven without worring about how you conduct your life, why the hell not?

 

Now there is only one thing left to do: laugh .