Star Wars vs. Scientology

[crazy_grl]

Thrawn, I don't understand your concern. Why does it matter if Ron Hubbard wrote anything for Star Wars? He was a science fiction writer.

[Admiral Thrawn]

Thrawn, I don't understand your concern. Why does it matter if Ron Hubbard wrote anything for Star Wars? He was a science fiction writer.

 

People may think he's a science fiction writer, but I dont know if he thinks so. In his mind, what he writes about may be what he actually dogmatically believes about the universe. The point of this thread is that the church of scientology doctrines have elements of science fantasy or space opera on them.

 

So, when you are watching movies like Battlefield Earth and the Psycolos or Star Wars, some people actually believe stuff like ancient Galactic Empires that occurred in far away galaxies, a long, long time ago. And while most people, at least on this thread, may view such movies as entertainment, the fact is, other people actually believe this stuff as part of their religion.

[HokeyReligions]

People may think he's a science fiction writer, but I dont know if he thinks so. In his mind, what he writes about may be what he actually dogmatically believes about the universe. The point of this thread is that the church of scientology doctrines have elements of science fantasy or space opera on them.

 

So, when you are watching movies like Battlefield Earth and the Psycolos or Star Wars, some people actually believe stuff like ancient Galactic Empires that occurred in far away galaxies, a long, long time ago. And while most people, at least on this thread, may view such movies as entertainment, the fact is, other people actually believe this stuff as part of their religion.

 

.......... So what? ..........

[Outcast]

People may think he's a science fiction writer, but I dont know if he thinks so

 

Um. He's dead. Been dead quite a while. However he said he'd rise again so scientologists always have a room ready for him.

 

There are people who believe the earth is flat. There are people who believe that the entire US space program is just a TV show. It's pointless to worry about others' bizarre beliefs.

[westernxer]

So, when you are watching movies like Battlefield Earth and the Psycolos or Star Wars, some people actually believe stuff like ancient Galactic Empires that occurred in far away galaxies, a long, long time ago. And while most people, at least on this thread, may view such movies as entertainment, the fact is, other people actually believe this stuff as part of their religion.

 

Do they also believe that ships fly through space like airplanes, even though space is a vacuum with no atmosphere, thus no noise?

 

The most accurate movie about space is 2001, where interplanetary travel is tedious and extremely time consuming. The first Alien is also more credible, with its slogan "In space, no one can hear you scream."

 

Battlefield Earth is simply horrible. It's unbelievable to think they'd ever release something like that. Then again, knowing Hollywood, anything is a possibility.

[Outcast]

Battlefield Earth is simply horrible. It's unbelievable to think they'd ever release something like that. Then again, knowing Hollywood, anything is a possibility.

 

Didn't Travolta underwrite much of that production?

[alphamale]

The most accurate movie about space is 2001, where interplanetary travel is tedious and extremely time consuming.

I think that's why HAL went insane

 

The first Alien is also more credible, with its slogan "In space, no one can hear you scream."

That movie still has not been topped yet...after more than 25 yrs.

 

Didn't Travolta underwrite much of that production?

Yes but he has so much ca$h that the loss was a drop in the bucket.

 

Last I heard, Travolta's ex co-star Horseshack was living homeless in Santa Monica.

[Nicholas]

People may think he's a science fiction writer, but I dont know if he thinks so.

 

Here's his career in brief: He wrote science fiction. He didn't do super well at that. He repackaged his fiction as a religion. He did much better.

 

The point of this thread is that the church of scientology doctrines have elements of science fantasy or space opera on them.

 

Yeah, okay. So does your church though. There are archetypes that are going to be present in every belief system.

[Trimmer]

So, when you are watching movies like Battlefield Earth and the Psycolos or Star Wars, some people actually believe stuff like ancient Galactic Empires that occurred in far away galaxies, a long, long time ago. And while most people, at least on this thread, may view such movies as entertainment, the fact is, other people actually believe this stuff as part of their religion.

Are these the same people who can't tell the difference between fiction and reality, who ran out to buy the fragrances "Blake" and "Crystal" back when the TV show "Dynasty" was popular in th '80s?

[Chris777]

keep digging Thrawn.

 

Lucas has stated he was extremely influenced by the writings of Joseph Campbell.

 

And Yes I personally consider it satanic influence, in that as (yet another), parallell with many things in scripture, it gives the appearance that their is credibility to Cambells theories. Just like Mel Gibson did by having The Passion spoken in aramaic, the problem is the aramaic spoken in his film is not nessesarily in the bible, particularly scenes with Mary seeing Satan, and pilate conversing with his wife, it is subtle just like satan was with Jesus when he tempted him with scriptural fragments.

 

I personally noticed many of the "alleged" parallels between religions and fictional stories, when I began to research for a story I had planned, to write myself, However, unlike Lucas, Campbell, and in some ways Hubbard, I noticed that the Bible had a distinct sence of direction, particularly with prophecy both fufilled, and unfufilled. At first

I took the view of many people, that all religions had some "portions" of truth intermingled with filler, like say a chocolate chip cookie, with morsels of truth so to speak. But the more I researched it, the more I began to believe the Bible was true, and the more true I believed it was, the less true that by definition made all other alleged "scriptures" "religions" and "stories".

I am sure this will all be eloquently discounted, and dismissed, as foolish, ignorant, ingrained doctrine, but I was like you I loved star wars, It inspired me, I had thousands of ideas, and notebooks, that I now count as garbage, in that they are distractions from the truth.

 

I read someone earlier stating that only the weak willed, would consider it a "gateway", but consider this, I got into a recent discussion with an aunt, who is alleged to be a christian, where she stated she had no problem with halloween, or harry potter, and thought the church was being silly by being against them. Where I replied, it wasnt nessesarily for the christians who knew better , but rather for the lost, who didnt, where I was given the reply of "well they should bring their kids up better" from another aunt. Is this the reply of a Christian who should bee seeking to share the gospel with the unknowing lost? Paul stated we should abstain from all apearances of evil, and even give up things that we personally see no problem with that we dont cast a stumbling block before others. (Rom 14)

I suspect that many religions were in fact inspired, by demons, as competition from the truth, by definition Satan is the Adversary of God, therefore what does that make anything that adds to or diminishes fro mthe scriptures?

Remember many of the opponents to the bible use extant stories of similar events such as the Flood, and Gilgamesh, as examples that the biblical writers were influenced by them rather than writing what God told them. But consider this, God chose Moses to write the 1st 5 books, well after both the creation, or the flood, as well as many other events, in order to put down the Truth. Something Jesus later confirms himself.

 

But as for fiction, their are several warnings in the new testament to avoid fables and old wives tales.

 

They may not directly point people into false religions, but they are influential, extremely influential, particularly for children.

Especially if they are all cute and cuddly, or visualy stimulating.

People are all over pokemon, dragon tales, harry potter, lord of the rings, ET, Sponge bob, etc, but they all contain subtle seemingly innocent, things that while not nessesarily a blatant, or conspiatorial are nevertheless satanic and decieving.

Pokemon are demons, by default, because they could be nothing else biblicaly, and therefore they are more tolerable because they are cute, so that later, less cute versions will be more palpitable. Final fantasy, and Yugio, and whatever the next steps will be.

dragontales ,takes the dragon, which scripturally is never good, and makes it "wholesome" what does scripture say about calling good evil, and evil good? they are made cute and frendly ,and therefore acceptable, so that when they are discouraged, in a less kid frendly form, they will be more tolerated.

ET came from the "heavens" ,healed people, "died",rose again, and then returned to the heavens; sound vaguely familiar?

Sure it may have been inintentional, and not nessesarily an intentional dig on christianity, but the paralell is there, and like many of the posters, who see alledged similarities, with christianity, and pagan religions it is more fuel for the fire.

Sponge Bob has Spirits, (davey jones) demigods or demons (neptune) plus various pagan ideas, and themes. Sure it is virtually mindless, but the ideas are presented, and not made to seem unpleasant. and therefore acceptable, much as many pagan festivals and customs are, in Christianity, (easter, halloween, christmas, are all pagan )

Harry potter, and lord or the rings, and I might as well throw in Narnia, to boot. Harry potter, aside from the obvious witchcraft, it is touted, because it entices children to read. and defended, bacause harry is the "good guy" but he does evil that good might come of it, what does the bible say of this? and on to LOTR, and Narnia, these are staunchly defended much the same as Harry, in that many churches feel that since their authors, were allegedly christians ,that they therefore must be good. Does the bible EVER call any sort of magic a good thing? We are to flee evil. Not justify it. and as for them allegedly converting people to christianity, how can someone hear the gospel ,when they are not really hearing the gospel? Good behavior, and noble motives do not a chriatian make, only realizing you are an evil and corrupted sinner, in need of the one and only method of salvation, provided by Jesus Christ, our Lord, and only Savior, will save someone. Not some echo that is only vaguely familiar, that is discerned my the vast majority of people that are unfamiliar with christianity, as being exactly the same as harry potter and other works of fiction.

and no I do not call them harmless, look into Lewis, and Tolken objectively, and test them according to the scripture, and see that only God is right.

 

Think about it like irritating elevator music, or some other garbage, that you dont like, or care about. even though it is trivial, mindless and annoying, it still doesnt stop it from replaying in your head for sometimes hours after you hear it, whether you want it to or not.

it is INFLUENCING you.

 

And now of all times in history is the last time we should think of compromising the Truth of God, with these lies, and yes fiction is ultimately a lie.

[westernxer]

Hey Chris777, did you ever watch any cartoons?

[Chris777]

Hey Chris777, did you ever watch any cartoons?

 

Yes, that was my point

[Nicholas]

And Yes I personally consider it satanic influence, in that as (yet another), parallell with many things in scripture, it gives the appearance that their is credibility to Cambells theories.

 

Campbell studies mythology. What about his scholarship is not credible?

 

I personally noticed many of the "alleged" parallels between religions and fictional stories

 

What do you mean "alleged"--are you casting doubt on the parallels? It's quite difficult for you to cast doubt on something you say yourself you noticed.

 

Pokemon are demons, by default, because they could be nothing else biblicaly

 

Oops. I didn't get you were joking, now I feel stupid. Some people really think like this though.

[Chris777]

And Yes I personally consider it satanic influence, in that as (yet another), parallell with many things in scripture, it gives the appearance that their is credibility to Cambells theories.

Campbell studies mythology. What about his scholarship is not credible?

not his scholarship his theory on its interpretation

 

I personally noticed many of the "alleged" parallels between religions and fictional stories

 

What do you mean "alleged"--are you casting doubt on the parallels? It's quite difficult for you to cast doubt on something you say yourself you noticed.

 

I should have elaborated a bit more, the similarities, that appear on the surface, do not nessesarily line up when you compare them in further depth, as well as the posibility, (and one of my personal theories,) that they were basically set up from demonic influence, based on satanic knowledge, of prophecy, and that they were specifically set up in order to 1 divert people from both judaism, and eventually christianity, and 2 cast doubt upon the real scriptures, based upon the so called paralells. (Again this is a posibility, and something that I suspect on my own, but it is no less valid an interpretation than campbells theories)

Pokemon are demons, by default, because they could be nothing else biblicaly

 

Oops. I didn't get you were joking, now I feel stupid. Some people really think like this though.

 

It wasnt a joke.

like I was elaborationg earlier, they are basically "forerunners" in that their purpose is to make them acceptable. and therefore they are a step closer, to the eventual reality, what ever form it is.

a propagandic "evolution" if you will. in that it starts out all innocent and cute, and then ends up eventually in the realm of real demon.

I do not propose that every fantasy creature is directly demonicly influenced, but I do think the ones that arent were in turn inspired by the demonic. take Tolkiens works and CS Lewis, both were deeply steeped in fiction, and mythology. Many christians try to justidy their work based on their alleged conversions to christianity. But we arent to sin that Good might come of it. The bible calls magic evil, ALL magic, just because they claim their scorcerers do "good" in their stories, does not change the sin of scorcery. Just as murder is still a sin no matter how it is justified. Sure this is the fictional realm, but is a very heavy influence to a huge number of people, who may not be nessesarily swayed , but are nevertheless influenced.