Would you impose you beliefs on another?

[hotgurl]

I know many people are deeply reigious but I was wondering would you ever impose your religious views on another. Does that violet thier civic right?

 

I was asking because of the increasing number of nurse, pharamsists & physicians who refuse treatment to people. I can be anywhere from refusing to pull a paitent off life support to refusing the pill or morning after pill to refusing to sterilze a paintent.

 

Where is the line drawn between be committed to your beliefs and focing them on someone else.

[a4a]

Interesting post indeedy.....

 

we force our beliefs on our children daily tho........hummm

[tanbark813]

In the case of a doctor refusing to give a patient a pill, one person is inevitably going to have their beliefs violated: either the doctor consents and the patient's views are forced on him, or the doctor refuses and forces his views on the patient.

 

IMO, I think the doctor should do whatever the patient wants since the patient is essentially the customer and the doctor is providing a professional service, but in a situation like you describe one person's beliefs are always going to be violated. It's just a matter of perspective and who has priority.

[alphamale]

yeah, a few wks ago there was a case where a dumb pharmacist wouldn't fill a lady's Rx for birth control pills. he said it was against his religious beliefs. I don't know what the resolution was.

[hotgurl]

I agree with you tan. In that situation one person is going to be mposed upon.

 

But also if you have such strong religious convictions would you not be better served working at a christain hospital.

 

Which oath is more important the one to god or the physicans oath. Some cases are even worse where a doctor refused to give a woman a physical she needed for adoption because he thought children should have two parents.

 

Or refusing fertility treatment to gya couples. There is one sad story where a woman had a miscarriage and she needed a drug the pharamist wouldn't give it because he was convinced she was trying to have an abortion.

 

Does working at a public hospital mena it is you duty to treat your paitents and see to there needs despite your beliefs? Or do you stand up for your beliefs and not treat your paintent?

 

should the government get involved?

[laRubiaBonita]

it depends on what what ones idea of imposition is.

 

Just talking about what you believe may feel imposing on some, while not on others.

 

in referrence to the Pharmacist.... one that person walks through the work doors, he needs to take on the ethics of his job, despite his beliefs, or NOT hold that particular job if the conflict with his personal ideas.

 

ps~ i was at a catholic hospital and the doctors there would not write BC scripts

[quankanne]

there's a lot of stuff I don't agree with, but I don't jeopardize my professionalism by imposing my beliefs on someone. I think when it gets to that point, a person should recuse himself from the situation and let another handle it (like in the case of the pharmacist and the BCPs).

 

other situations, like a doctor refusing to sterilize or who cut out uteruses at the mere suggestion of a gynelogical problem ... well, patients need to do their research on their physicians and match up with someone who has similar beliefs and who can offer a course of treatment they can agree with. Or get services from a provider with similar beliefs (like health care facilities owned by churches).

 

remember, you're not just limited to that one provider!

[hotgurl]

it depends on what what ones idea of imposition is.

 

Just talking about what you believe may feel imposing on some, while not on others.

 

in referrence to the Pharmacist.... one that person walks through the work doors, he needs to take on the ethics of his job, despite his beliefs, or NOT hold that particular job if the conflict with his personal ideas.

 

ps~ i was at a catholic hospital and the doctors there would not write BC scripts

 

I agree with you and I know that catholic hospital don't dispense BC but as long as there is another alternative than you can choose not to go to the Catholic hospital.

 

And being a professional in healthcare but refusing treatment you deemed unethical can hurt the person seeking treatment,

 

If someone is talking your ear off about religion you can politely tell them to stop but if they deny you care what do you do?

[alphamale]

ps~ i was at a catholic hospital and the doctors there would not write BC scripts

was that only for Catholics? Like, um, could a moslem or jew go in there and get an Rx for BC pills?

[a4a]

was that only for Catholics? Like, um, could a moslem or jew go in there and get an Rx for BC pills?

 

 

 

:lmao:

[laRubiaBonita]

was that only for Catholics? Like, um, could a moslem or jew go in there and get an Rx for BC pills?

 

nope...nobody could.

it was just a closer hosp. and i did not need the BC, but i had inquired about it outta rumors i had heard.

[Blackfrost]

I think it's wrong of anyone to impose their religious beliefs on anyone else. Faith (in whatever) is a personal connection that you have with your deity(s)

[quankanne]

Catholic institutions – adoption agencies, healthcare providers, counselling services, etc – uphold Church teaching. Which is adamantly opposed to euthanasia, birth control and abortion, amont other things. So, no, you're not going to be able to go into a Catholic-operated clinic and be able to get a prescription for BCPs or, as a gay couple, seek to adopt a child through a Catholic agency. However, there are other options open to people who want these things, they need only to look to other places that don't follow those teachings or uphold those ethics that the Church does.

 

If someone is talking your ear off about religion you can politely tell them to stop but if they deny you care what do you do?

 

politely say you're not interested; if they keep yammering on, leave. Or you can be a bit more forceful and say that as a rule of thumb, you don't get into discussions about religion (or politics or abortion or personal things, etc).

[a4a]

Do you recall the euthanasias at the hospital during the Katrina evac?

google the recent articles.

 

Now that is a hell of a topic about imposing beliefs or was it just being humane?

[Blackfrost]

If someone is talking your ear off about religion you can politely tell them to stop

 

That really didn't work out for the American Indians too well

[laRubiaBonita]

Do you recall the euthanasias at the hospital during the Katrina evac?

google the recent articles.

 

Now that is a hell of a topic about imposing beliefs or was it just being humane?

 

I think it was fear & illpreparedness, along with some cowardliness

[hotgurl]

Catholic institutions – adoption agencies, healthcare providers, counselling services, etc – uphold Church teaching. Which is adamantly opposed to euthanasia, birth control and abortion, amont other things. So, no, you're not going to be able to go into a Catholic-operated clinic and be able to get a prescription for BCPs or, as a gay couple, seek to adopt a child through a Catholic agency. However, there are other options open to people who want these things, they need only to look to other places that don't follow those teachings or uphold those ethics that the Church does.

 

The article I was reading was talking about secular orginzations like rite aid CVSetc...(althought they named no one specifically) not religious hospitals.

 

So I guess I was interested in peoples thoughts. I know there are alot of deeply spiritual people on LS and was curious about thier opionions (sp?).

 

But also the topic runs closely with seperation of church and state and peoples individual rights.

[DivaAlec]

Yeah, personally I am not a religous person. I have no problems with those who are, as long as they don't push their beliefs on me. That really offends me. If somone refused to give me my birth control pills...well, this is my motto... SUE THE BASTARDS!!!!!

[EnigmaXOXO]

This particular subject hits kinda home for my family.

 

My ex brother-in-law married his sixteen-year-old babysitter whose family belongs to a religious sect that does not believe in modern medical intervention … including prescription drugs. Fair enough, to each his own.

 

However, my nephew developed juvenile diabetes several years ago and his father (who has since been converted to this new religion) as well as his stepmother thought that prayer and the Hebolife vitamins (that her mother sells on the side) was all that was needed to keep his blood sugar in check. My sister had to go back court in order to FORCE them to provide her son with proper medical treatment and check-ups.

 

Fortunately, the court sided with my sister.

[a4a]

There is a recent case of a 16 year old male who wants to refuse further cancer treatment and the court is going to or last I heard was thinking about locking him up in the Juvey Joint.

 

His parents support his decision.

[hotgurl]

This particular subject hits kinda home for my family.

 

My ex brother-in-law married his sixteen-year-old babysitter whose family belongs to a religious sect that does not believe in modern medical intervention … including prescription drugs. Fair enough, to each his own.

 

However, my nephew developed juvenile diabetes several years ago and his father (who has since been converted to this new religion) as well as his stepmother thought that prayer and the Hebolife vitamins (that her mother sells on the side) was all that was needed to keep his blood sugar in check. My sister had to go back court in order to FORCE them to provide her son with proper medical treatment and check-ups.

 

Fortunately, the court sided with my sister.

 

Did you newfew want to taked the meds or not? What was his choice.

[hotgurl]

There is a recent case of a 16 year old male who wants to refuse further cancer treatment and the court is going to or last I heard was thinking about locking him up in the Juvey Joint.

 

His parents support his decision.

 

 

I don't know how I feel about this. Do you think the 16 year old has the right to refuse treatment. Would it be different if he was 20? Does the court have the right to force treatment on somene who is of sound ming?

[alphamale]

Does the court have the right to force treatment on somene who is of sound ming?

No they don't. Even people who have mental problems cannot be forced to get treatment unless they are deemed harmful to others.

[a4a]

I don't know how I feel about this. Do you think the 16 year old has the right to refuse treatment. Would it be different if he was 20? Does the court have the right to force treatment on somene who is of sound ming?

 

The young man is terminal as far as I picked up on the story.... hell yes he has that right. His pain his body his mind.

 

Feeding tubes and other crap..... oh my don't get me started on that.

[blind_otter]

Interesting post indeedy.....

 

we force our beliefs on our children daily tho........hummm

 

I don't know that I would call that forcing, since there is no such thing as an innate moral compass, and you're only as morally aware as you are taught to be.