For Deep Thinkers ONLY

[johan]

I sometimes look at my life and wonder what's the point. Not in a philosophical way. More in the way like when you spend hours and hours making something, and you expect it to be really great, and when you're done it's small and average and doesn't really do what you expected. So you almost feel like throwing it away and forgetting you spent the time at all.

 

I understand that my parents love me. And I also understand that if I just disappeared, they are the only ones who would be affected to any extent. Mostly my mom, and because of her my step-dad. My dad and I haven't even spoken for over 2 years now. Not because of an argument, but just because we don't bother.

 

I was supposed to have a purpose, I'm pretty sure. It seems like my purpose was just to exist and get through it until it's over.

 

Think of the billions and billions of people who have died in the past, of whom there is no record or memory whatsoever. I mean none. What was their purpose?

[magichands]

I understand that my parents love me. And I also understand that if I just disappeared, they are the only ones who would be affected to any extent.

Well, I would miss you. Or your posts, more accurately. Oh boy...I have just compounded your depression, haven't I. Now I'm depressed, too.

Think of the billions and billions of people who have died in the past, of whom there is no record or memory whatsoever. I mean none. What was their purpose?

They threw the dice. At least, the ones that weren't captivated by their own navels did. That's all any of us can do.

 

I'm not a drinker, but I like the Johnnie Walker slogan...Keep Walking. Of course it helps to know where a good place to ramble might be. You actually have choices...less than some, but a whole lot more than most.

 

Now if I don't get this marking finished, my balls will be on the barbecue. How motivating.

 

Sorry if that was a load of hot air.

[Ladywithafan]

Being that every action has a reaction and things are relative because we agree upon their meaning....I have no idea whatsoever what our purpose is on what we call "earth."

 

In my life so far, I've played by the book & then when that didn't make things turn out the way I thought they would, I went off track. For some reason, I'm still alive, actually functioning in the working world and still wondering why I'm here.

 

Maybe there is a greater purpose for what I've already brought into the world (my children); that is what I like to think...we spend a lot of time trying to achieve things that just combust when our life gets thrown a curve ball.

 

I think getting rid of income tax would solve a lot of problems...lol! Too many people are in debt that is driving them crazy and causing bad reactions all over the world.

 

We all seem to be searching for the holy grail in our own way. But even if we think we've found it, we can't keep hold of it for long.

[Great Gazoo]

Being that every action has a reaction and things are relative because we agree upon their meaning....I have no idea whatsoever what our purpose is on what we call "earth."

 

In my life so far, I've played by the book & then when that didn't make things turn out the way I thought they would, I went off track. For some reason, I'm still alive, actually functioning in the working world and still wondering why I'm here.

 

Maybe there is a greater purpose for what I've already brought into the world (my children); that is what I like to think...we spend a lot of time trying to achieve things that just combust when our life gets thrown a curve ball.

 

I think getting rid of income tax would solve a lot of problems...lol! Too many people are in debt that is driving them crazy and causing bad reactions all over the world.

 

We all seem to be searching for the holy grail in our own way. But even if we think we've found it, we can't keep hold of it for long.

 

 

Very good post and I can relate to alot of it. Sometimes I think we are here just for the ride. Some stay on and enjoy the ride, some don't like the ride but stay on and some decide they had enough and jump off

[Kittiecat]

Think of the billions and billions of people who have died in the past, of whom there is no record or memory whatsoever. I mean none. What was their purpose?

 

To spawn the next caveman, etc.

 

It's never obvious. If we had all the answers we'd have nothing ponder, and life would be dull and meaningless.

[everlong]

ahhhhhhhhhh...the meaning of life....lovely bedtime discussion.

 

i apologize for posting the following [it is rather long and i wrote it a few years back] but it sums up my feelings on this subject.

 

[COLOR=#0051b2][FONT=Arial]Hidden under every cloak, every item of clothing, and all makeup lies a body. Under the skin of a body lies a soul, and a mind of thoughts. We are brought into this world, and raised by our creators for such a short period of time. But from them we are taught life. Depending on our parents or whoever is raising us we become a person, with thoughts, feelings, emotions, and ideas. Looking deeper it becomes clear that all our idea’s existed in some other form, from others, but we shape them to make them our own. When we become aware of this, we realize what it is we want our life to be and do actions and activities that promote that outcome. Part of this recognition lies in the fact that in the brilliant canopy of nature, time ceases to exist. It exists for us only in that it is a measurable dualistic construct – one that supports us and confronts us. Time weighs heavily upon us. But it doesn’t have to be that way. If we cast aside our worries, obligations and responsibilities and simply stare up into the infinite heavens, our words and thoughts would simply fall up into the sky instead of on our shoulders. Star gazing reminds us that we are capable beings who can find the courage required to let go of things that simply do not matter. But simplicity is hard. Living life to its fullest, casting away all doubts, realizing the follies of civilization, and finding ones’ place in the puzzle takes years. Is it possible that there are no possessions in our lives, that we simply borrow everything we need and see? Seeing and living in this light is difficult at times, and even harder for those of us who see the world as almost uncontrollable. For those with this life-bent, the world possesses them, like a disease. It rises up in their throats dressed as a fashionable sickness. They feel bombarded in every way by self-satisfied and incoherent platitudes. Why can they see it for what it is, a relic, or as an mode of thought so ridiculous, it should laughed at and used as a benefit instead of making one go mad. Yes, the world is grotesque, hideous and unfair and great civilizations can at times be reduced to Disneyfication – but we all still have the ability to change things, eloquently and with affection and enthusiasm. Yes we face deception and distortion and doublespeak. Yes it is easy to become accustomed to the sobriquets: to phrases such as “collateral damage”, and “friendly fire”. The abuse of language is part of life - it is power weld against us and for us. We long ago invented words to conceal truths to the point now where it is difficult to use words correctly. This is not to suggest that surrender is the way for it is ok to detest. We can detest Coca-Cola, McDonald’s (corporate vices towards consumption at all costs - in general), violence, imperialism, infantilism, colonialism, sexism, racism, and on and on but if anger and resentment becomes a crippling way of life, then we have only crushed ourselves by thinking we are fighting a war, a just cause - all we have done is lost the peace within ourselves. We can live in a land of contamination, a land of unjustifiable wrongs against humanity, while still serving the cause of freedom, rights, democracy, and humanity. We can and must continue to protest and object but we should not become intoxicated by the cause. The sensation of being unfairly trampled upon obviously creates an innate response to fight back within us. But we should never feel hate. We should never feel defeated. We should never feel like a person trapped underwater waiting for the circling hammerhead to strike the final blow. When this life overwhelms us, we should stare up into the infinite heavens and marvel at the short time we will be here and think about what really matters to us in this world. It is simply relationships and love, and how we have helped others along the path – that is the only thing we take with us when we depart this place for the sky. Live life to its fullest, cast off doubts and sorrow, do not feel sorry for we can all shape our destiny.[/FONT][/COLOR]

[Almost]

Row, row, row your boat,

Gently down the stream.

Merrily, merrily, merrily, merrily,

Life is but a dream.

 

Perhaps the only meaning is the meaning that you give it yourself

 

yep.

 

We are all desperately trying to add a value or meaning to something that in and of itself has none.

 

yep.

 

Why does there have to be a point to life?

 

Good question!

 

So in the end, it's just the process that matters, maybe? The very act of searching for, demanding, and finding meaning in your life is the meaning, itself?

 

Yep.

 

 

Propel, Propel, Propel your craft

Placidly down the liquid solution

Ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically, ecstatically,

Existence is but an illusion.

 

 

Dream other dreams, and better!!

 

 

Don't worry, be happy.

 

[Guest]

Perhaps the only meaning is the meaning that you give it yourself

 

Well said, That's it in a nutshell.

[Guest]

People do things to bring meaning to their life, but their very life in itself has no meaning. Who disagrees?

 

The very act of striving to bring meaning to ones life gives meaning to that particular life. What purpose it has in the oveall scheme of things? How can anyone know. The very idea that life has no meaning is equivalent to denying the existance of air, water, and other compounds or reactions that are needed to allow life. If these things are, then why?What purpose is there for one life form (ie: plant) to need to exist from the functioning of the other ( air breathing: ie: oxygen, co2 exchange?) But we cant deny their existance unless we are of the type that believes everyone creates theri own reality. (I am not of that type).

[Craig]

Do you think there is any point or great meaning to our existence?

 

My answer: NO . . .

 

I really want to hear from someone who will challenge my assertion....

 

I think the problem is with the question. 'Point' or 'great meaning' are in my mind two different things.

 

Can you be more specific?

[TheSilentType]

bluechocolate

OK Mr. Oh-so-clever. We're still waiting for your deep & philosophical musings on the subject

 

Now that I have some time I'll respond. See below.

 

Lindya

A golden opportunity to meet and admire, despise, love, hate, smell, taste, f*ck, listen to and argue with other creations.

 

So we were basically put into existence so that we can just interact and explore? Really? All this at the expense of poverty, hunger, heartbreak, disease, and death?

 

HokeyReligions

Why does there have to be a point to life?

 

Life just is and it doesn't have to have "meaning"

 

I think there has to be some point to life in order to justify all the pains we undergo throughout life. There has to be some goal for us for all the trials and tribulations we endure.

 

bluetuesday

no higher being = no deeper meaning than you get born, you suffer, you die, worms eat you.

 

it is not my point, but thesilenttype's, that life is meaningless without a higher being

 

i should add that even if there was a higher being, i'm still not sure there would be a deeper meaning to life. i mean, i don't understand what's the point of creating us was? was this higher being bored? did it just want to try out an experiment in good vs. evil? are we just actors in a tragic comedy-drama?

 

if there was a higher being, don't you'd think it would also contemplate how it came to being?

 

anyways, i don't want to get into a long-drawn out argument on this particular point. maybe there is a higher being or not....i'm not trying to offend anyone or change their beliefs.

 

Guest - September 4th

If life is meaningless, then there shouldn't be a problem with going crazy and slaughtering each other.

 

I've thought about this too. But my feeling is that since we cannot know for sure what lies after death, better to play it safe and not harm others. Maybe there is nothing to punish wicked people after death. But if there is...oh boy are you in trouble. Maybe there is something like karma or maybe there is a higher being waiting to judge.

 

In any case, you can't go wrong with leading a good life.

 

"...there shouldn't be a problem with going crazy and slaughtering each other."

 

btw guest, this is a mute point. regardless of whether life is meaningless or not, don't we already slaughter each other every day? From the days when the Aztecs would sacrifice prisoners to their gods....to the Crusades where people killed each other in the name of religious glory...to Rwanda, 9-11 and Iraq...hundreds of people are slaughtered everyday. So there doesn't have to meaning or not to life...we'd still do this anyway.

 

luvstarved

And that's the full scope of my ability to say there is meaning: there is if I think there is.

 

thanks for your comments. but your above statement is another "just is" argument. you state there is a meaning just because you feel there has to be one. that kind of argument seems empty to me. you can't even really define the meaning you feel exists.

 

lindya

Just as you seek to fill voids, so does nature. You're here for the same reason as an insect is. To get a shot at existing and to assist nature in filling the void.

 

so a child born with a horrible health problem....such as a horrendous deformity...was put into existence to fill some void? this child has to breathe, eat, and exist...all the while enduring much suffering....to "assist nature in filling the void"

 

calalily

it seems to be pointless to make a thread asking for meaning if you think there is no meaning.

 

no it isn't pointless. i like to hear the other sides point, and so i want to see others challenge my point and show me something i may have not considered before. i never said i was right....that's why i was inviting others to challenge me.

 

bogun

Someone somewhere said that the world/existence is a creation of your own mind

 

this is an interesting notion. but the eerie thing is....what created the mind? how did the mind come to exist so that it could create this illusion of an existence?

 

a beginner

A meaning of life could possibly be to just exist, and experience; OR to undergo a change of evolution; OR to learn, discern, exercise, and exploit our senses.

 

like i said, we were put on this ****ing rock in the middle of outer space just so that we can experience this? So we experience all these things...but at what price? The price is heavy my friend.

 

guest September 27th

So basically, you can't be religious and a deep thinker?

 

this is not what i meant. its just that religious people tend to settle more for "just because" arguments...there's an inherent limit in how far they are willing to consider this topic. that's fine...they can believe what they want to believe; its actually a very comforting belief. i can see how people find much solace in it, and they should continue believing in it strongly.

 

Ariadne

What if I'm not a deep thinker?

 

Then you are a dullard and you should be shot....just kidding

 

Craig

'Point' or 'great meaning' are in my mind two different things.

 

Can you be more specific?

 

I'm not sure I can be more specific because I'm not fully sure what you mean.

 

All I'm saying is...why are we here? To just continue to reproduce and undergo evolution? Is that the sum total of our existence? Are we supposed to find something out? Are we supposed to fight a struggle against ourself so that ultimately the good in us will win over evil?

 

Why must we exist when there's a lot of bad that comes with existence?

 

We're stuck on this big rock in the middle of space. There's billions of clueless people here chasing money...love...fame

 

But none of these people know why they are playing in this game in the first place and how they get involved with it. It's like they are mindlessly running around trying to shoot the ball into the net, but they don't even know why they are playing.

[magichands]

We're stuck on this big rock in the middle of space.

Sorry to disappoint you, but we're not the centre of the universe.

[ilmw]

I thought the answer to life the universe and everything was......#42( )

[magichands]

I thought the answer to life the universe and everything was......#42( )

Well, the answer is nonsensical - if you're talking Douglas Adams - because the question turned out to be "WHAT DO YOU GET IF YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE" you see.

It was later pointed out by readers that 6 × 9 = 42 if the calculations are performed in base 13, not base 10. Douglas Adams has averred that he was not aware of this at the time, and repeatedly dismissed this as an irrelevant concoction, saying that "nobody writes jokes in base 13 [...] I may be a pretty sad person, but I don't make jokes in base 13."

[ilmw]

Well, the answer is nonsensical - if you're talking Douglas Adams - because the question turned out to be "WHAT DO YOU GET IF YOU MULTIPLY SIX BY NINE" you see.

 

:lmao: :lmao:

 

Way to reck a joke... Math x humour = (it don't mix or add up)

 

I find that people who over analyze life... tend not to have one...

 

BTW.. i see you have read some Douglas Adams...

[Almost]

 

I think there has to be some point to life in order to justify all the pains we undergo throughout life. There has to be some goal for us for all the trials and tribulations we endure.

 

"There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so."

 

- from Hamlet by William Shakespeare, Act II scene II.

 

The "pains" we go through in life are only pains because we think they are pains, and have been conditioned to think so by our culture.

 

"... going crazy and slaughtering each other."

 

btw guest, this is a mute point. regardless of whether life is meaningless or not, don't we already slaughter each other every day? From the days when the Aztecs would sacrifice prisoners to their gods....to the Crusades where people killed each other in the name of religious glory...to Rwanda, 9-11 and Iraq...hundreds of people are slaughtered everyday. So there doesn't have to meaning or not to life...we'd still do this anyway.

 

Right. It's not like if there were some grand meaning to life, then all of a sudden this stuff wouldn't happen. People think they have it bad so they invent religions to convince themselves that there must be a reward in the afterlife for all the pain they are going through in this life. It keeps them from seeking a better life in this life, now.

 

" When they lose their sense of awe,

people turn to religion.

When they no longer trust themselves,

they begin to depend upon authority.

 

Therefore the Master steps back

so that people won't be confused.

He teaches without a teaching,

so that people will have nothing to learn.

"

Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu, as translated by Stephen Mitchell

 

so a child born with a horrible health problem....such as a horrendous deformity...was put into existence to fill some void? this child has to breathe, eat, and exist...all the while enduring much suffering....to "assist nature in filling the void"

 

No. Random **** happens. There is cause and effect. Things can always be worse, and always be better. Ultimately people choose their own station in life and how happy they want to be.

 

Stuff happens, and we can either see it as a blessing, or we can see it as something horrible. It just depends on your point of view.

 

"...the unnamable is the eternally real.

Naming is the origin

of all particular things.

 

Free from desire, you realize the mystery.

Caught in desire, you see only the manifestations.

 

Yet mystery and manifestations

arise from the same source.

This source is called darkness.

 

Darkness within darkness.

The gateway to all understanding."

 

Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu, as translated by Stephen Mitchell

 

this is an interesting notion. but the eerie thing is....what created the mind? how did the mind come to exist so that it could create this illusion of an existence?

 

"

There was something formless and perfect

before the universe was born.

It is serene. Empty.

Solitary. Unchanging.

Infinite. Eternally present.

It is the mother of the universe.

For lack of a better name,

I call it the Tao.

 

It flows through all things,

inside and outside, and returns

to the origin of all things.

 

The Tao is great.

The universe is great.

Earth is great.

Man is great.

These are the four great powers.

 

Man follows the earth.

Earth follows the universe.

The universe follows the Tao.

The Tao follows only itself.

"

Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu, as translated by Stephen Mitchell

 

 

like i said, we were put on this ****ing rock in the middle of outer space just so that we can experience this? So we experience all these things...but at what price? The price is heavy my friend.

 

"When people see some things as beautiful,

other things become ugly.

When people see some things as good,

other things become bad.

 

Being and non-being create each other.

Difficult and easy support each other.

Long and short define each other.

High and low depend on each other.

Before and after follow each other.

 

Therefore the Master

acts without doing anything

and teaches without saying anything.

Things arise and she lets them come;

things disappear and she lets them go.

She has but doesn't possess,

acts but doesn't expect.

When her work is done, she forgets it.

That is why it lasts forever."

 

Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu, as translated by Stephen Mitchell

 

All I'm saying is...why are we here? To just continue to reproduce and undergo evolution? Is that the sum total of our existence? Are we supposed to find something out? Are we supposed to fight a struggle against ourself so that ultimately the good in us will win over evil?

 

"

Do you want to improve the world?

I don't think it can be done.

 

The world is sacred.

It can't be improved.

If you tamper with it, you'll ruin it.

If you treat it like an object, you'll lose it.

 

There is a time for being ahead,

a time for being behind;

a time for being in motion,

a time for being at rest;

a time for being vigorous,

a time for being exhausted;

a time for being safe,

a time for being in danger.

 

The Master sees things as they are,

without trying to control them.

She lets them go their own way,

and resides at the center of the circle.

"

Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu, as translated by Stephen Mitchell

 

 

We're stuck on this big rock in the middle of space. There's billions of clueless people here chasing money...love...fame

 

"

Fame or integrity: which is more important?

Money or happiness: which is more valuable?

Success of failure: which is more destructive?

 

If you look to others for fulfillment,

you will never truly be fulfilled.

If your happiness depends on money,

you will never be happy with yourself.

 

Be content with what you have;

rejoice in the way things are.

When you realize there is nothing lacking,

the whole world belongs to you.

"

Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu, as translated by Stephen Mitchell

 

But none of these people know why they are playing in this game in the first place and how they get involved with it. It's like they are mindlessly running around trying to shoot the ball into the net, but they don't even know why they are playing.

 

"

In the beginning was the Tao.

All things issue from it;

all things return to it.

 

To find the origin,

trace back the manifestations.

When you recognize the children

and find the mother,

you will be free of sorrow.

 

If you close your mind in judgements

and traffic with desires,

your heart will be troubled.

If you keep your mind from judging

and aren't led by the senses,

your heart will find peace.

 

Seeing into darkness is clarity.

Knowing how to yield is strength.

Use your own light

and return to the source of light.

This is called practicing eternity.

"

 

"

When a superior man hears of the Tao,

he immediately begins to embody it.

When an average man hears of the Tao,

he half believes it, half doubts it.

When a foolish man hears of the Tao,

he laughs out loud.

If he didn't laugh,

it wouldn't be the Tao.

 

Thus it is said:

The path into the light seems dark,

the path forward seems to go back,

the direct path seems long,

true power seems weak,

true purity seems tarnished,

true steadfastness seems changeable,

true clarity seems obscure,

the greatest are seems unsophisticated,

the greatest love seems indifferent,

the greatest wisdom seems childish.

 

The Tao is nowhere to be found.

Yet it nourishes and completes all things.

"

Tao Te Ching by Lao Tzu, as translated by Stephen Mitchell

[Guest]

Funny how people who claim to not believe in God will believe in something very similar. Call it Tao if you must The essence is the same.

[Almost]

Funny how people who claim to not believe in God will believe in something very similar. Call it Tao if you must The essence is the same.

 

There are some similarities but more differences. The Tao is very different from the traditional image of a paternalistic, vengeful, Judeo-Christian God who controls everything that happens on earth.

 

The western God is thought of as a supreme being with a personality, who is male, and who can and does occaisionally intervene with events on earth.

Kind of like George Washington wearing a robe and standing on a cloud, looking down on earth and controlling things.

 

The Tao is nothing like that. It's more like the Force in Star Wars than anything else.

 

One of the big differences between western and eastern religions is that in the west, there is this concept of original sin, and guilt. This doesn't exist in eastern religions like Taoism. There is cause and effect, but there isn't a god that is going to judge you at the end of your life and either send you to heaven or hell.

[PussInHeels]

All religions do have core similarity. But the spiritual essence of religions can be very different, and that is how religions such as Taoism and Buddhism can be godless and still similar in teaching to other religions with deities.

 

As for you question, is there a great meaning behind existence? There is most definitely a meaning, but why are you expecting it to be great or profound? Maybe it isn't. Maybe we've already served our purpose and we're just biding our time until our destruction. Does it really make a difference in how we exist? Not really.

 

Whether the purpose is theological or simply to propel life, I think there is a purpose to existence. It just may not be so deep...but who knows?

[Guest]

There are some similarities but more differences. The Tao is very different from the traditional image of a paternalistic, vengeful, Judeo-Christian God who controls everything that happens on earth.

 

The western God is thought of as a supreme being with a personality, who is male, and who can and does occaisionally intervene with events on earth.

Kind of like George Washington wearing a robe and standing on a cloud, looking down on earth and controlling things.

 

One of the big differences between western and eastern religions is that in the west, there is this concept of original sin, and guilt. This doesn't exist in eastern religions like Taoism. There is cause and effect, but there isn't a god that is going to judge you at the end of your life and either send you to heaven or hell.

 

But you're talking religion and dogma. Which is not to be confused with understanding the existence of a Divine. What I imagine as God is far closer to your 'Force' than to the caricature of a mean Daddy that people thousands of years ago conceived to explain the inexplicable.

[InsanityImpaired]

Even in Western Judeo-Christian history, the "original sin" has often been explained as the first act of freedom. Thus giving a whole different dynamic to religion, as the one you describe, Almost.

 

Perhaps it would be more fruitful to take a look to (medieval) mysticism. There are quite a few brands of Christian and Jewish mysticism that come close to Taoism and Buddhism.

 

There are dozens of brands of Buddhism and the same holds for Taoism.

Likewise, Buddhism and Taoism as we conceive it here may well be different from the Buddhism and Taoism in everyday life in Asia.

[Flyin in Clouds]

First TST prove you exist. You are just a dream in the mind of God and when he awakes - poof - you will no longer exist at all.

 

I'm looking for the thoughts of the deep thinkers and non-religious people out there on the following issue..

 

So you want the thoughts of deep thinkers and non-religious people whether they think deeply or not. OK... shallow thinking non-religous people are OK. So really it's only non-religious people's opinion you want. hmmm.. a certain lack of deep thinking going on there I think.

 

I'm not looking for any religious answers to my question. I'd like to frame this debate from the stance that there is no higher being out there.

If you start with that assumption about the nature of reality then your conclusions will reflect those basic assumptions.

 

Do you think there is any point or great meaning to our existence?

 

My answer: NO

Given your presumption your answer is right.

 

But the more interesting question is why does the Universe exist at all? Why does anything exit? Is it all pointless?

 

The fact that we do exist says something about the Universe and the nature of God.

what was the great need for living things to even exist.

There was no "need". The real question is since we do exist, why do we exist?

but we are none the wiser of why we are here or what we are supposed to accomplish.

Of course that is true if you reject a notion of God.

who has studied a shred of philosophy...wants to prove me wrong, I'd love to hear it...

One can not prove what requires belief to understand.

Why does there have to be a point to life?

Because life exists.

But one doesn't need belief in some mythological "higher being" to find a positive meaning in life either.

Depends on the definition of meaningful.

I had a look to see what wikipedia say about the meaning of life.

And somehow wiki becomes an authority on the meaning of life. Now talk about meaningless.... :lmao::lmao:

There is no meaning to life. Life just is and it doesn't have to have "meaning"

If life has no "meaning" then life has no utility (because utility would give it meaning), so therefor destroying life is no more than meaningless and therefor why is it even a crime? Clearly meaningless life, like say bacteria, is no problem to destroy at will. Since human life is equally meaingless no big deal to get rid of it.

life is in of itself meaningless....the only meaning that it has it what we have chosen to give it in an effort to give ourselves some piece of mind

Yeah, prove it. You can no more prove that life is meaningless than religious folk can prove it is meaningful. All you can do is believe one or the other is correct. And that belief is your religion. And thus every one has a religion of some kind. Atheists have a religion. A rather empty one, but a religion none the less based on their belief about the nature and existence of God.

We also have the example of Death Valley, in the US made so by tree felling by the Native Americans.

Yegh, uh, what? No honey it's below sea level and hotter than hadies because it's in the middle of a stinking dessert. Where on earth do ideas like Indians, instead of nature, created death valley come from?

Sorry to disappoint you, but we're not the centre of the universe.

OK, so we aren't the center, then were is the center?

[magichands]

OK, so we aren't the center, then were is the center?

Does it matter? Maybe it will end up being a tourist attraction. It's empty space. Or a singularity biding its time before it "sucks" you in, haha.

[Almost]

OK, so we aren't the center, then were is the center?

 

There is no center. Who said there ever was a center?

[Fun2BMe]

There is no center. Who said there ever was a center?

 

Well the whole world thought that Earth was the center of the universe for hundreds of years and when Copernicus said that the Earth in fact revolved around the sun he was sentenced to death for it.