I Get Mad At The Lost And Unsaved

[blind_otter]

I dont have to prove to myself in what I believe I have no soul searching to do.

 

I think God always wants us to search our souls. It's too egotistical to think that you are "fixed" by God -- God wants us to extend the hand of God through our works, through our examination of the faith and achieving a deeper understanding of compassion. To constantly strive, through your thoughts and eventually through your actions, to open your heart.

 

"Until thought is linked with purpose, there is no intelligent accomplishment....As the physically weak man can make himself strong by careful and patient training, so the man of weak thoughts can make them strong by exercising himself in right thinking." (James Allen, As Man Thinketh)

[pricillia]

Hi Ashley...

 

 

It is nice that you have had a positive experience with God, we have all had our experiences with him... her...We can share them if we wish or we can keep them private. Either way pushing your way of thinking on others about what god is all about, and having others not agree with you is a choice. God did create free will.

 

In your original post you mention stupidity in regards to the "lost and unsaved" Everyone has a opinion on others, but you shoving the word of God really is a turn off.

 

so.......

 

My question to you is what things in your life have you been through and survived. learned from, that you feel you can preach in this manner.

[ashleyanj4]

Hi Ashley...

 

 

It is nice that you have had a positive experience with God, we have all had our experiences with him... her...We can share them if we wish or we can keep them private. Either way pushing your way of thinking on others about what god is all about, and having others not agree with you is a choice. God did create free will.

 

In your original post you mention stupidity in regards to the "lost and unsaved" Everyone has a opinion on others, but you shoving the word of God really is a turn off.

 

so.......

 

My question to you is what things in your life have you been through and survived. learned from, that you feel you can preach in this manner.

 

 

Well if you have time to read this post I will tell you everything thing that I have been through.

I grew up in a home of me and my parents and 3 other siblings me being the oldest. Now family was great untill 1999 my mom and dad split, it wasnt a easy divorce at all. I dropped out of school to help my dad take care of the kids because he couldnt do it by himself. I was 16 at the time, during the divorce I had met a guy he was great. Now I cant say that he was my age because he wasnt at the time he was 22. The impact of the divorce was hard my littlest sister soon left to be with my mom and it was just us older ones who could fend for there selfs. a little time after things settled down my dad met someone and very quickly moved her in she was very young and was just looking for money. My dad got so wrapped up in her and her kids that he forgot about his own. He got mad at me and kicked me out I moved in with my mom and soon after that I got married to this all great man. And that is when my life fell apart.

Now I was raised in a church but wasnt real close to Gods word when I hit my teenage years. And that is when I got my main spitritual butt kicking I had ben saved and the whole nine yards. But I strayed I thought I know everything I can do this myself. At the age of 17 I was married and the man moved me aay from all family and I lost contact with everyone. He kept me in the house and didnt want me talking to anyone. I was stuck. He started working and I started getting out and walking the town we lived in it helped me cope with the issues. the town cosisted of about 300 people, so it wasnt big by no means. After awhile I did mee a few people minly a girl that was my age. we hung out during the day and when it was close to time for my husband to come home I would go home. Well agter awhile of hanging out with her I met some of her friends and we all became real good friends. But it didnt last forever. My husband found out and the world came crahing down. why, because there were some guy friends of hers that hung around. No I never did anything wrong but he assumed I did with absolutley no reason. On a Friday he said we need to go to evansville I have to go see my doctor. So I went with him 45 minutes away from home. For him to commit himself in a mental institution. i was stranded, I didnt know how to drive and didnt know anyone there to give me a ride home. I called a pastor in the town and told him what happend and he came and got me and took me to my house. to soon be kicked out by my neighbor and landlord he went and had me taken off the lease before he commited himself. I lived on the streets for a week nowhere to go and nobody to call for help. He came home moved a girl in with him from the mental instiotution. she stayed in my house with my husband, wearing my clothes,and sleeping in our bed. I had went to see him to see what was going on and he asked me to come back. Stupidly I did, what else was I to do? Soon after I had my little girl my oldest. We had moved back around my family but everything wasnt ok. I knew that he treated me bad but I didnt notice it until my neighbors started saying things to me about it. I was still dumb and thought I can change this man. In hopes to keep my family togeather. In 2004 and had my son and yet again my family was gone, my mom lived in NC and my dad lived a hour away but was still no having anything to do with me. In 2004 my sister was put into rehab at 16,raped at 16 and had a dad that didnt care. My brother was charged with a drug felony in NC and was looking at 4 years in prision. and I was with a mentally abusive man that I was stuck with. I had no way of taking care of 2 children and one more on the way. i had never had a job no license, no education. so in a way i was looking at my kids best interest. After 3 years I learned to shut my emotions off to this man I had none for him because all he was doing was tearing me apart. He never said anything nice to me. Or even a simple I love you. In december of 2005 he didnt want to work at all and it was almost christmas time. I had gotted a small lump on my breat and had to get it checked out. I went and the lady there gave me a job. he couldnt handle it at all. that is when he put his hands on me for the first time. I left but he wouldnt leave the house so I said forget it. We moved here in NC to be with my mom in Feb. of this year and 2 weeks later and 3,000 he left moved away.

All that time I prayed to keep me and my kids safe and put me where i needed to be and he did just that. I have learned through the power and the words of god that I can stand on my own 2 feet. I had never gotten as close to god as I am now. He made me strong and he made my kids strong. He put me with my family that would guide me in his word. I now have alot I have my health,loving family, god,a drivers permit,working on my GED, and going to start a job tommorow. All due to prayer. He was gone and never once helped or even bothered to call to check up on his kids. And I made it. Now I can say that I did get stupid again and he came back and we tryed to work things out but it didnt work out well at all. He was back at his old ways again. Controlling and the mind games and the mental abuse. But God has protected me and my kids from the heartache that was around us. I held strong and showed him that I didnt need him anymore.Because I had one man that would always show me his love and would always protect me and my children,And that man is the man I show praise to everyday. Now I could have went into deeper detail in this letter this is just the tip of the iceberg on my relationship and my life of becoming nothing into learning how to be a successful single mother and not fall through the cracks of society all due to GOD!!!!!!

[Wax Lyrical]

No, free will.

 

Freewill co-existing with an omnicient God? Interesting. Hmm...

[a4a]

Now I could have went into deeper detail in this letter this is just the tip of the iceberg on my relationship and my life of becoming nothing into learning how to be a successful single mother and not fall through the cracks of society all due to GOD!!!!!!

 

this is a heartbreaking story but very typical of many that seem to have the need to say god saved them from a terrible situation. Abuese, drugs, alcohol, ex murderers, homeless, disease........

 

I had a pretty rough start myself but what saved me was my constant refusal to quit trying. I did not need a "god" to save me.

 

And I gotta say, how would such a loving god only save this person - allow them to get into this position in the first place.

Oh yeah your free will gets you into trouble then this god bails you out after more damage is done.

 

BTW I don't hate your god I just don't believe in it.

[superconductor]

I get irritated at the lost and unshaved as well. God needs to provide those people with a razor.

[Adunaphel]

I get irritated at the lost and unshaved as well. God needs to provide those people with a razor.

 

Some bad joke about Occam's razor is in order.

 

(um...better not)

 

SC, that was hilarious.

I just spilt coffee. I'm lucky I'm not a guy and I was not shaving, or I'd have cut myself. :lmao:

[stoopid_guy]

I get irritated at the lost and unshaved as well. God needs to provide those people with a razor.

If God hadn't meant me to have a beard, he wouldn't have put hair follicles on my face! It's the shaven that God hates, razor blades are blaspheme of the worst kind!!!

 

(Translation: naa-naa-na-naaa-naaa, God like me better than you! I'm going to heaven and you're not!)

[a4a]

I get irritated at the lost and unshaved as well. God needs to provide those people with a razor.

 

Word........ and what the hell is up with pubes.... man those just are useless.

[Moose]

Ashley, I think you have a great testimony. But maybe I missed something......when did you come to Christ? Do you remember surrending to Him, asking Him to come into your heart? Just curious about that particular event your life, can you tell me about that?

 

The saved shouldn't be, "mad", at the lost and unsaved. They should have compassion on them. As hard as that may be when those we consider lost slander us with words, we must live be Christ's example and suffer the humility of it all.

 

I sincerely believe that your particular situation would serve the Lord best with those who are immediately around you, not on this forum.

 

Don't get me wrong, I see nothing wrong with posting about your expierences. But this subject is a matter of your own heart that you and God need to deal with.

 

Lastly....do us all a favor, and put more spaces in your paragraphs!!

Freewill co-existing with an omnicient God? Interesting. Hmm...

Of course. Think of it this way.....would you want to force your wife or SO to love you, or would you rather he/she love you under their own free will?

this is a heartbreaking story but very typical of many that seem to have the need to say god saved them from a terrible situation. Abuese, drugs, alcohol, ex murderers, homeless, disease........

Wouldn't you want to tell someone when you hit the lottery? I know I would! To a lot of people, their experience with God is such great news that they just have to share it.

 

I think it's more of society's preconseptions of God that turns people off. People now and days just don't like to admit that they needed help to get where they're at in life.

 

Some of us had a good up bringing by good parents. Some of us relied on banks to get us going. Some of us fed off the knowledge of others who did what we want to do. And some of us rely on God.

[superconductor]

Some of us had a good up bringing by good parents. Some of us relied on banks to get us going. Some of us fed off the knowledge of others who did what we want to do. And some of us rely on God.

Good parents are there when you fall and hurt your knee as a kid, and are there as an adult (well, hopefully) when you need guidance and good sense.

 

Banks are there to lend money and financial assistance when required (for a price, of course).

 

We can take from the experience of others to learn how best to manage in a certain situation.

 

But... and I ask this with great respect... why is God so unreliable? Why are prayers for strength, for compassion, for kindness, for caring, for succor, rebuffed or ignored? I just don't get that...

 

I'm not a father, but I cannot, in my wildest nightmares, imagine withholding love or comfort from a child that's been hurt, even if it's through his/her own fault.

 

That's not compassion; that's negligence.

[Moose]

But... and I ask this with great respect... why is God so unreliable? Why are prayers for strength, for compassion, for kindness, for caring, for succor, rebuffed or ignored? I just don't get that...

God does hear all prayers. And I know this is going to sound a little unfair, but I'll say it anyway.

 

If you have sincerely given your life to Christ, and you're living in God's will, your prayers will mostly likely be answered.

 

It doesn't mean that all of your prayers will be, but as long as the two conditions above are are met, God promises that we will always have what we need and more.

 

You'd already have the strength, if God is the God of the universe, who could go against Him?

 

You'd already have compassion, a characteristic you inherit when you allow the Holy Spirit to live in you.

 

Kindness and caring are traits that God will shape through time as long as you walk and grow with Him.

 

The final result is your peace of mind, and a rock that you can lean on through the tough times.

I'm not a father, but I cannot, in my wildest nightmares, imagine withholding love or comfort from a child that's been hurt, even if it's through his/her own fault.

Well, I can honestly say that as a father of five, I have had to withold comfort, just because I do love them........God does the same to His children....

[Wax Lyrical]

But... and I ask this with great respect... why is God so unreliable? Why are prayers for strength, for compassion, for kindness, for caring, for succor, rebuffed or ignored? I just don't get that...

 

I'm not a father, but I cannot, in my wildest nightmares, imagine withholding love or comfort from a child that's been hurt, even if it's through his/her own fault.

 

That's not compassion; that's negligence.

 

Perhaps the concept of "greater good" is being overlooked in the trial against God.

[Wax Lyrical]

God does hear all prayers. And I know this is going to sound a little unfair, but I'll say it anyway.

 

If you have sincerely given your life to Christ, and you're living in God's will, your prayers will mostly likely be answered.

 

It doesn't mean that all of your prayers will be, but as long as the two conditions above are are met, God promises that we will always have what we need and more.

 

One thing, if you don't mind...

 

The bible states it differently. If you pray according to God's will, your prayers will be answered. Meaning, if you pray or ask for something that is already in God's will for you to attain, you will attain it.

[TheSilentType]

God does hear all prayers. And I know this is going to sound a little unfair, but I'll say it anyway.

 

If you have sincerely given your life to Christ, and you're living in God's will, your prayers will mostly likely be answered.

 

It doesn't mean that all of your prayers will be, but as long as the two conditions above are are met, God promises that we will always have what we need and more.

 

 

What an egotistical god it is that expects you to feed its ego in return for help....

 

The fact of the matter is that many good people's wishes have not been granted, and as a result they ended up suffering tremendously for it. Pick up a newspaper and you have all the justification for what I just said....

 

Why should anyone put faith in a god with a poor trackrecord? Its so dumb to say, have faith in this wishy-washy god and then it will answer your prayers. How about this god shows it cares by answering the prayers first...and then you'll have faith in it?

[Moose]

One thing, if you don't mind...

 

The bible states it differently. If you pray according to God's will, your prayers will be answered. Meaning, if you pray or ask for something that is already in God's will for you to attain, you will attain it.

I don't mind at all. I think it's important for you to understand that it's all in God's timing as well. That's where we as humans fail to understand His wisdom.

 

Sure, if it's God's will for us to gain, we will gain, but we lack His patience. So we think and feel that He's not anserwing our prayers and lacking in His promise.

 

He sees the entire picture, where we can only see bits and pieces of the puzzle. Since we can't see His entire purpose for our lives, we have to put total trust in Him that He'll come through.

What an egotistical god it is that expects you to feed its ego in return for help....what you have there is a master and slave relationship.

I don't look at it as feeding His ego. I look at it as being forever in His debt, and showing my undying gratitude for everything He's done for me.

This is a world where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer....where the wicked ceaslessly prosper and the good suffer

It certainly seems that way doesn't it? The fact of the matter is, we are all in one way shape or form, "wicked". Noone is really worthy of God's blessings.

[Wax Lyrical]

I don't mind at all. I think it's important for you to understand that it's all in God's timing as well. That's where we as humans fail to understand His wisdom.

 

Sure, if it's God's will for us to gain, we will gain, but we lack His patience. So we think and feel that He's not anserwing our prayers and lacking in His promise.

 

He sees the entire picture, where we can only see bits and pieces of the puzzle. Since we can't see His entire purpose for our lives, we have to put total trust in Him that He'll come through.

 

My bad that I didn't spell it out as thoroughly as I was assuming that His will implied his time frame as well. Good on you for drawing it out.

[ashleyanj4]

answering to the question when did i give my heart to the Lord. I was 13 but like I said I did stray and choose to do things on my own. And I was punished for it and still being punished for it.

I do know where the patience for prayer comes into play because I had to learn that the hard way.People think that if they pray for something that it should happen suddenly. I prayed for 6 years to fix the situation I was in and it took 6 years and 3 kids later for my prayers to be answered. Now they wasnt the prayers I asked for but I put my faith in him to and believed in him to know that he was going to take care of me and my children. For 6 years I prayed for the lord to chance my husband and make him a loving,caring, and sensitive man. For 6 years I prayed that everyday. And for 6 years I had no answers. Then in my heart I was told to move to NC and It was all made possible even with I thought it wasnt going to be believe me we had trials to get here. When we made the final decision to move we got a eviction notice my husband lost his new job and the night before we left we had a snow storm. But we made it here under gods protection and guidence. And a month after getting here my husband was gone and I was here with my kids. No way of taking care of my kids at all I stood strong.

Now I believe that this was God's plan because he knew that where I was I wasnt going to have the support I needed to get on my feet. Now I know God dont believe in divorces, but I dont think he want us to be miserable either. I stand strong in my faith now because I know that it was him that brought me here.

Now I can say maybe my title to the OP was a little over said I dont think its anger its more frustration than anything because I know that he can make great things happen and I want him to do it for everyone. I honestly didnt think that the post would cause such a uproar but I knew that it would cause a little one. i do appreciate it because it is helping me keep my mind off the current problems going on in my marriage.

I do struggle everyday with certain questions and why's with God but im still standing strong and putting it in his hands to guide me through this and show me the path that I needed to take.