I Get Mad At The Lost And Unsaved

[ashleyanj4]

:love:

 

ashleyanj, you get mad because you are firmly of the belief that you are right and they are wrong and that it would be better for them if they were like you, right?

 

this is known as a fundamentalist mindset and although i am sure your intentions are good, the mindset you have described is the root of wars and hatred and division and egotism and spiritual pride.

 

you have to allow people to find their own way. it doesn't matter if their way is different to yours. as blind_otter said, god may have something to teach them on another path. you'll just have to trust that god can reach people in the way god sees fit, not in the way you see fit.

 

many people could read your post and say YOU are lost when it comes to god. because in god there is no room for anger or for calling people stupid or battering them with religious arguments until they answer your questions.

 

think on.

 

 

I dont hate the sinner I hate the sin!!!!!! Just as gay people I dont hate them I hate what they do. Im not battering the lost I just spoke what was on my mind I can call these people anything that I please exept for a fool and you didnt see that anywhere in my post did you? I dont consider myself as all holier than thou but I do see myself as a firm beliver. Im not saying that my religion is the only right one there. I do believe that the only way you are going to heaven is if you believe that jesus brought here on earth and died on the cross for our sins.... So therefor do I have the right to say that any religion that doesnt preach or teach that is wrong well of course I do just as anyone would have the right to say that they have had extinsive cooking classes and the way i cook is wrong...Its my firm opinion.....Just as people say we evolved from monkeys now if we evolved from monkeys why do we still have monkeys? I dont believe that so in my mind and of many others they are wrong.....

[stoopid_guy]

I dont hate the sinner I hate the sin!!!!!! Just as gay people I dont hate them I hate what they do. Im not battering the lost I just spoke what was on my mind I can call these people anything that I please exept for a fool and you didnt see that anywhere in my post did you? I dont consider myself as all holier than thou but I do see myself as a firm beliver. Im not saying that my religion is the only right one there. I do believe that the only way you are going to heaven is if you believe that jesus brought here on earth and died on the cross for our sins.... So therefor do I have the right to say that any religion that doesnt preach or teach that is wrong well of course I do just as anyone would have the right to say that they have had extinsive cooking classes and the way i cook is wrong...Its my firm opinion.....Just as people say we evolved from monkeys now if we evolved from monkeys why do we still have monkeys? I dont believe that so in my mind and of many others they are wrong.....

You said "I get mad at the lost." So, you're not "battering" us, you just get mad at us. I can live with that...

 

You hate what gay people do. Why? Are they hurting you? Are they making you do it? I don't want to sleep with another man, but why should I care what they do in private? I hate brocolli, but why should I care if you eat it?

 

"I do believe that the only way you are going to heaven is if you believe that jesus brought here on earth and died on the cross for our sins." Then you believe a lot of very nice people aren't going to heaven.

 

"Just as people say we evolved from monkeys now if we evolved from monkeys why do we still have monkeys?" You came from your mother. You're mother's still here. And I must be honest, I'd rather claim a chimp as a relative than some people out there.

 

You get mad at the lost? I get mad at people who think their beliefs make them better than others.

[superconductor]

Just as people say we evolved from monkeys now if we evolved from monkeys why do we still have monkeys?

If you'd care to do some research, you'll find that humans didn't evolve from monkeys, we evolved from apes. There's a difference. Also, evolution can best be described as a branching bush, where one species branches off from another but the original species remains relatively intact.

 

But I don't actually expect you to do the research, since your mind is already made up, regardless of the facts.

[SoCalCatman72]

How do we know for certain that evolution is not the process by which God works.

 

I was a biology major for 2 years, so I did study evolution to a large degree.

[Moose]

How do we know for certain that evolution is not the process by which God works.

 

I was a biology major for 2 years, so I did study evolution to a large degree.

We don't. There's no possible way for our feeble minds to comprehend it.

 

I can see where the OP get's upset with non-believers. I feel this way especially when people claim scripture is for the weak, who can't find their way on their own.

 

Knowledge is power in my mind. Knowledge has taught me that I wouldn't be where I am right now had it not been for my ancestors who taught me how to walk, talk, reason and behave.

 

IMO People who claim scripture is for the weak are fooling only themselves into believing they perpetuated themselves through life under their own power, when in reality it's only GOD'S will that they even exist.

 

We want to call them fools.....but alas....to be politically correct, the lost are merely deprived.

[burning 4 revenge]

If this world is the work of God, well, I'm certainly not going to worship him for it.

[SoCalCatman72]

That's a very insightful post Moose.

 

I've met some really decent 'salt of the earth' people from your state.

[norajane]

Now I know that I should pray for these people and I do on a regular basis. But sometimes I just want to look at them and say are you stupid..

 

You might consider me one of the lost and unsaved, but since I don't look at you and want to call you stupid, perhaps I maintain more of those Christian ideals than you do?

 

No where in the bible does it say that being a christian was going to be easy.

 

And it just may be that living among the lost and unsaved is your cross to bear. Perhaps you could pray for guidance about how to bear us with grace.

 

He will test our faith...

 

Your faith might be tested by the way you treat and address the lost and faithless. Perhaps you could find some compassion in your heart and speak to us with kindness - we might be more inclined to listen.

[pricillia]

You should be mad. You should really go public with this. There are more people than just those here on this website who need to hear your message. People here are just going to be turned off by your message. Have you ever considered writing a book? Are there any places where you can proclaim the word of God to the general public?

 

This is not the best place for you to really deliver this message.

 

 

I agree. Also to the original poster when someone tells you thier problems and they ask why, maybe they just need someone to listen to them.

 

It is not for you to think that they are stupid or that they just want god around when things are going good. Based on your post I think that you need to do some soul searching and find god yourself.

 

Hey listen I believe in god I don't go to church. Doing nice things for people without thanks and without prompting is all I need to know that I am doing a good thing. Is this because of god... I don't know it was becuase it was instilled in me growing up and guess what my parents did not go to church at all..... hmmmmmmm makes you think.

 

And nobody is perfect... so you should change your attitude and stop thinking that other people are stupid becuase they question things...

 

OK

[lindya]

Hey listen I believe in god I don't go to church. Doing nice things for people without thanks and without prompting is all I need to know that I am doing a good thing. Is this because of god... I don't know it was becuase it was instilled in me growing up and guess what my parents did not go to church at all..... hmmmmmmm makes you think.

 

Exactly. People who have been brought up to have empathy for others and retain a balanced perspective naturally practice what the fundamentalists are busy preaching.

 

I can't count the number of times I've found myself getting waylaid in the street by some religious devotee who relates the story of how finding God pulled him away from a life of drugs and alcohol. Instead of being polite, I'm going to start telling these people that I don't have black and white religious dogma in my life for the same reason that I don't imbibe hearty amounts of drugs or alcohol to get me through the day.

[lovelorcet]

"Just as people say we evolved from monkeys now if we evolved from monkeys why do we still have monkeys? I dont believe that so in my mind and of many others they are wrong....."

 

I think if the bible would be written again today that wasting bandwidth would be a sin...

 

 

As far as the monkey thing goes… Let me put it this way, is it a sin that I have a brain large enough to comprehend that humans evolved from a primitive primate species which no longer exists. And this isn’t just some kind of story or something I work with the basis of these theories every day as a molecular and cellular biologist. It is like telling a system admin that there are no cpus in a server...

[a4a]

I would think that those that are 'Shakey' in their own beliefs feel the need to thump the bible more often to help validate their belief.

 

I was watching the Bunlap tribe again and saw that they had a sacred eel. The eel probably provided some form of comfort and hope to them. Good for them......... worship the eel peeps...... more power to you but don't try to tell me that I have to worship it or I am silly for not doing so. Don't try to push eel worshipping through legislation and war.

 

 

If god created all then should not those that believe respect and be kind to all that god created? Perhaps that is the true test of this god. Perhaps non believers are all here to just see if believers can just mind their own business and live and let live? Those that hate others unlike them could certainly be harming their chances at entering heaven.

 

I have some strong beliefs myself. I think all people should invest in real estate... ...but I don't run about calling renters fools. I have no desire or need to prove my own belief to them. And maybe they just really prefer to rent. More power to them.

[lindya]

You're jumping off a bridge tomorrow? I thought you said you were coming back on LS once you get banned again.

 

Let him be, Touche. He has many important decisions to make. First of all...to gargle bleach or not to gargle. The drawback there is that his throat may become paler and his voice more feminine as a result, which would bring him a couple of steps to being a white woman. The silver lining there involves joining us other white women in hell, which is his preferred residence.

 

The bridge option...well, everything depends on both traffic volume and type. Lots of SUVs = lots of soccer moms. A few broken bones caused by falling off a ten foot bridge onto a lazy white woman's sun roof? Perhaps. It's a small price for the pleasure of causing minor blight to a segment of the white, female traffic driving population in his area. He can savour that blight from the comfort of his hospital bed in the days to come...and now that hospital patients now have easy access to the internet, there's no reason why we can't all follow his progress with interest.

 

John - be sure and wear a pair of boxing gloves to prevent your fingers from any injury.

[ashleyanj4]

did I ever once say that I told these people stupid NO...i said I would like to say that you NON belivers like to do that take things out of context...And then I can say if you believe in any slightest way then are you saying that Jesus was a monkey or a primate or a ape how ever you would like to put it. I dont have to prove to myself in what I believe I have no soul searching to do. I do fall on the bible for all my problems because all the answers are in it. How should I treat my wife? read the bible. How should I raise my kids? read the Bible. How do I manage my money? read the bible. Alot of people that read the bible and want to say that God is fake pick out what they want to read and dont read it all. I had a guy not to long ago say to me "well if we are supposted to do everything God ask us to then we should eat people" well I read the versus he gave me and he took it out of context and only read what he wanted to and didnt go on to where it explained why. most of it was in the old testement and like I told him well if we are still living in old testement times then a eye for a eye....I dont have to defend my believe but do I think that my believe is the right one YES! its a sin for me to not to tell the wicked of there wicked ways if I tell them then my hands are washed of there blood!If I dont I have to stand judgement for that. Im sorry I love everyone but im not going to be held accountable for your sins. Do I know where im going when I die YES im going to be with my lord and saviour where will you go?

[lindya]

Do I know where im going when I die YES im going to be with my lord and saviour

 

That'll be a real blast for God.

 

where will you go?

 

I'm going to be cremated, then I want my ashes to be mixed up with Baby Bio and used to fertilise a newly planted tree.

[Adunaphel]

And then I can say if you believe in any slightest way then are you saying that Jesus was a monkey or a primate or a ape how ever you would like to put it.

 

Well, if religions can be like drugs, you can really say that some people have a monkey on their back.

 

If God really begot himself, meddler the Holy Ghost, then Jesus surely had no primate ancestors.

Problem is whether to believe it or not that a part of Jesus's nature was not human.

We have strong evidence that Jesus existed, whether he was completely human or not, becomes a matter of believing or not believing.

 

Anyway, if the Holy Ghost can be portrayed as a dove in classical iconology, I don't think God would hold it against us if we compared the human form of Jesus to apes.

 

I dont have to prove to myself in what I believe I have no soul searching to do. I do fall on the bible for all my problems because all the answers are in it. How should I treat my wife? read the bible. How should I raise my kids? read the Bible. How do I manage my money? read the bible.

 

I am really jealous of people who can find answers so easily - I really am.

 

Im sorry I love everyone but im not going to be held accountable for your sins.

 

Relax, you won't. Just concentrate on your own.

 

Do I know where im going when I die YES im going to be with my lord and saviour where will you go?

 

No hurry to find out, but I guess I will eventually.

[lovelorcet]

And then I can say if you believe in any slightest way then are you saying that Jesus was a monkey or a primate or a ape how ever you would like to put it. I dont have to prove to myself in what I believe I have no soul searching to do.

 

Umm well yes jesus was a primate just like every other human and he was never a monkey... Were you a monkey when you were younger? But I can see this is all way over your head.

 

Give me a break… people like you are a sorry disgrace to Christianity. To blindly think you are the only one able to correctly interoperate the bible. Christ was a preacher of forgiveness, acceptance and peace. All I read in your posts is ignorance and condemnation. God gave us all a brain, some obviously more than others, and I intend to use mine to explore and understand the world around me. If you find all that you need in the bible then good for you. I seemed to have missed the parts about improving medical therapies the last time I read through the bible.

[stoopid_guy]

I am really jealous of people who can find answers so easily - I really am.

Adunaphel, you've got a wonderful mind! Don't even contemplate that lobotomy!!!

Umm well yes jesus was a primate just like every other human and he was never a monkey... Were you a monkey when you were younger? But I can see this is all way over your head.

 

Give me a break… people like you are a sorry disgrace to Christianity. To blindly think you are the only one able to correctly interoperate the bible. Christ was a preacher of forgiveness, acceptance and peace. All I read in your posts is ignorance and condemnation. God gave us all a brain, some obviously more than others, and I intend to use mine to explore and understand the world around me. If you find all that you need in the bible then good for you. I seemed to have missed the parts about improving medical therapies the last time I read through the bible.

Very well said!

[burning 4 revenge]

We have strong evidence that Jesus existed

 

I realize this has been the subject of many previous threads, but this is a common misconception.

[a4a]

Do I know where im going when I die YES im going to be with my lord and saviour where will you go?

 

 

See I find this very interesting. I see people on TV that pray that they live, or pray that a family member or friend will live. Yet if it is all Gods will are you not questioning him by praying not wanting to have you die and go to heaven? And why not be thrilled that heaven comes sooner instead of later?

 

Are doctors who save a life doing this gods bidding? Then maybe doctors that do abortions are doing gods bidding? Is it gods will that medicine is improving or is that the work of satan to keep people out of heaven by extending a life that has actually been called home?

 

When I die I will go where Fox News is never broadcasted and only the old SNL is on the tube. The new stuff hellishly sucks.

[superconductor]

See I find this very interesting. I see people on TV that pray that they live, or pray that a family member or friend will live. Yet if it is all Gods will are you not questioning him by praying not wanting to have you die and go to heaven? And why not be thrilled that heaven comes sooner instead of later?

 

Are doctors who save a life doing this gods bidding? Then maybe doctors that do abortions are doing gods bidding? Is it gods will that medicine is improving or is that the work of satan to keep people out of heaven by extending a life that has actually been called home?

 

When I die I will go where Fox News is never broadcasted and only the old SNL is on the tube. The new stuff hellishly sucks.

A4a, we're wasting our energies here. No amount of facts or reason will sway true believers. They're a bit like Republicans in that regard. Don't let the facts get in the way of anything.

[a4a]

A4a, we're wasting our energies here. No amount of facts or reason will sway true believers. They're a bit like Republicans in that regard. Don't let the facts get in the way of anything.

 

oh I don't care about changing their minds at all...... like I always say if worshipping a Pop Tart turns you on..... more power to ya!

 

I always have wondered why the believers that think "It is gods will" or Leave it in gods hands suddenly attempt to defy his will with prayer or medical intervention when they are looking square in the eyes of death Seems silly to want to defy that if heaven is so ...... well heavenly.

 

The nutty bombers offing themselves with others in their gods name seem to make more sense...... I mean they get virgins and stuff if they do gods will. They kinda put their money where their mouth is with their faith.

 

Maybe there are a whole bunch of Gods sitting around on a big cloud palace ...... you know kinda like Mount Olympus. I have a feeling the Zeus of this Mount Olympus is Pee Wee Herman tho......

[norajane]

I always have wondered why the believers that think "It is gods will" or Leave it in gods hands suddenly attempt to defy his will with prayer or medical intervention when they are looking square in the eyes of death Seems silly to want to defy that if heaven is so ...... well heavenly.

 

I've always wondered the believers that think God blessed humans with the skills and talent to perform brain surgery or discover cures for cancer somehow don't see it the same way when humans develop birth control methods. Didn't God give those scientists the skills and talent to do so?

[a4a]

I've always wondered the believers that think God blessed humans with the skills and talent to perform brain surgery or discover cures for cancer somehow don't see it the same way when humans develop birth control methods. Didn't God give those scientists the skills and talent to do so?

 

conditional faith?

[Moose]

conditional faith?

No, free will.