I have had ENOUGH!

[pricillia]

I agree, but if men, or women are put off by weight issues sexually, no-one should accuse them of being shallow either.

 

 

but it works both ways... geesh people need to look past the weight issue

on both sides. There are people behind the thickness or thinness.

 

Everyone is attracted to someone different, I guess thought there is unhealthy weight issues on both sides.

[Buttaflyy]

Really to me it's to each it's own as long as your not telling someone that they aren't sexy because they're heavy and making them cry. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, what is beautiful to Burning is not beautiful to some and vice versa I'm sure.

[pricillia]

exactly...yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder...never said it wasn't

 

Everyone has something that is beautiful about them...but it is how you treat people that is important, to me anyway. I'm done.

[Buttaflyy]

exactly...yes beauty is in the eye of the beholder...never said it wasn't

 

Everyone has something that is beautiful about them...but it is how you treat people that is important, to me anyway. I'm done.

 

Yeah of course. I agree with you pricilla. I hope you dont think I was attacking you. You sound pretty defensive there.

 

Anywho, I think if you read my posts here that you'll see that it was what I was trying to say all along. You should treat people with a degree of integrity, it's not cool to make fun of anyone's appearance big or small. No one has a right to dictate what the next person eats blah blah blah. I was referring to burning4 revenge on the topic of sexual attraction...

[typhonblue]

I've always wondered after having read a study on plastics and fat cells. Namely that certain plastics have the nasty habit of accelerating the growth of fat cells.

 

Perhaps what's happening here, aside from the obvious racial implications*, is that plastics are making (some? many?)people in the western world fat. Particularly those who are not able to buy higher grade, less processed food due to poverty.

 

I've also read a study that suggests something like 25% of people who are classified as thin(via BMI measurments) are actually carrying high leves of body fat. Whereas a certain amount of people are mis-classified as obese when they actually have a low precentage of body fat. (I think the second figure may be 30%.)

 

So, yeah... If you're thin(low BMI), you're not out of the woods in terms of carrying excess fat.

 

*The obvious racial implications? A comprehensive study of women's size in the US found that white women are the smallest, folllowed by hispanics and then black women. Interesting no?

[alphamale]

I've also read a study that suggests something like 25% of people who are classified as thin(via BMI measurments) are actually carrying high leves of body fat. Whereas a certain amount of people are mis-classified as obese when they actually have a low precentage of body fat. (I think the second figure may be 30%.)

I'll take a 120lb chicka with high body fat over a 300lb with low body fat any day of the week

[typhonblue]

I'll take a 120lb chicka with high body fat over a 300lb with low body fat any day of the week

 

Er... a 300lb chick with low body fat would probably be the size of an adult gorrilla.

 

How tall are you, btw?

[justagirliegirl]

It is not inappropriate at all. PA is from Australia and her positions are probably very well based on what she is surrounded with. Anyone's would be. If someone is raised in an environment where men only find skinny, athletic women attractive, doesn't it stand to reason that a woman in that atmosphere might accept that position as her own? I know I would.

 

I am saying that we might have a cultural clash here more than anything. Right or wrong, the US may be more tolerant of obesity, than down under.

 

But, I will tell you, that if the US women only found men with blonde hair attractive and the rest repulsive, I would have an appointment at the salon.

 

It is only natural to have the desire to be accepted. I merely stated that Noos comment in the other post was an "aha" moment regarding this one.

 

 

Not really. The one thing I noticed about Aussie tv is there are far more heavier women on tv than in the US.

 

I'm not a skinny minnie but my Aussie man loves me.

 

Also noticed that Aussie women seem to age poorly because of the sun. Women I found out who were around my age looked maybe 10-20 year older than me.

[crazy_grl]

Maybe you are confusing me with someone else, I don't think that I have cirticized here I was talking about myself, no one else, just saying that I am curvy and I like it.

 

There seemed to be some poster or maybe posters giving Pink absolute hell about her words. I thought it was you. My mistake then.

 

I am who I am, kind of accepting the fact that I will never be what society accepts as skinny, should have left the minny out of it.

 

That's all I was saying. Ya know, for some reason "skinny minny" actually sounds worse than "skinny f*ck" to me. Maybe it's the rhyming or that I'm so desentized to the f word that it doesn't even sound bad. Or maybe I'm just weird like that.

[burning 4 revenge]

There seemed to be some poster or maybe posters giving Pink absolute hell about her words. I thought it was you. My mistake then.

 

 

 

That's all I was saying. Ya know, for some reason "skinny minny" actually sounds worse than "skinny f*ck" to me. Maybe it's the rhyming or that I'm so desentized to the f word that it doesn't even sound bad. Or maybe I'm just weird like that.

If you're either of the girls in the avatar you look a good weight to me

[pricillia]

Yeah of course. I agree with you pricilla. I hope you dont think I was attacking you. You sound pretty defensive there.

 

Anywho, I think if you read my posts here that you'll see that it was what I was trying to say all along. You should treat people with a degree of integrity, it's not cool to make fun of anyone's appearance big or small. No one has a right to dictate what the next person eats blah blah blah. I was referring to burning4 revenge on the topic of sexual attraction...

 

 

ok, Thanks Buttaflyy

[Pink Amulet]

I was smoking a cigarette outside once, and there was a few girls near me who openly bitched to me about smoking. WTF, I'm OUTSIDE. I can't get anymore outside that being outside, unless you want to rocket me through the atmosphere and make me smoke on the moon. And yea, I know that it kills people. I've been watching my Dad waste away from terminal lung cancer for almost a year.

 

I think the original question was, why do these bitches think it's ok to bitch at me about smoking? But it's not ok to bitch at a morbidly obese person ordering 2 value meals at burger king.

 

It's the same freaking thing.

 

The objection of course is that the morbidly obese individual isn't hurting anyone else.

 

Well here's a link to the CDC that states in a table that the total annual cost of obesity in 1998 was $51 BILLION DOLLARS.

 

http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/dnpa/obesity/economic_consequences.htm

 

Here's a link that shows the comorbidity of other diseases in association with obesity.

 

http://www.obesity.org/treatment/cost.shtml

 

And here's a scholarly article on the incidence of healthcare costs related to obesity, for those who don't mind dry reading.

 

http://www.nber.org/papers/w11303

 

Cost of obesity on insurers:

 

http://www.healthybodyweight.com/cost_of_obesity.html

 

That is all.

 

Thanks B_O!

 

That is fantastic and thanks to everyone else who PM'd me.

 

Just thought I would add something before we let the thread die.

 

Thanks for the great response from everyone and too everyone who understood my posts were FAR FAR FAR beyond the physical and aesthetic; and deep into the social implications of acceptance; into the medical and economical rhelms- thanks so much for your contrubution

 

I'm glad my hypotheticals inspired such mixed opinions (Just so everyone knows- I would never say that to someone, nor even think it- it was simply a hypothetical comparison of social acceptance. Seriously).

 

Also, none of it was simply my "opinion"- I was just throwing together the climate of opinion of the dangerous obesity pandemic.

 

Apologies to anyone who either think I am as shallow as it has been made out in this thread, or simply jumped on the band wagon.

 

I think most people saw that this is a real problem- and one of which this thread barely scratches the surface.

[whichwayisup]

Also noticed that Aussie women seem to age poorly because of the sun. Women I found out who were around my age looked maybe 10-20 year older than me.

 

Here's your next topic. The Aussie SUN worshippers. From what I hear, it's worse there than in North America.

[Guest]

Thanks B_O!

 

That is fantastic and thanks to everyone else who PM'd me.

 

Just thought I would add something before we let the thread die.

 

Thanks for the great response from everyone and too everyone who understood my posts were FAR FAR FAR beyond the physical and aesthetic; and deep into the social implications of acceptance; into the medical and economical rhelms- thanks so much for your contrubution

 

I'm glad my hypotheticals inspired such mixed opinions (Just so everyone knows- I would never say that to someone, nor even think it- it was simply a hypothetical comparison of social acceptance. Seriously).

 

Also, none of it was simply my "opinion"- I was just throwing together the climate of opinion of the dangerous obesity pandemic.

 

Apologies to anyone who either think I am as shallow as it has been made out in this thread, or simply jumped on the band wagon.

 

I think most people saw that this is a real problem- and one of which this thread barely scratches the surface.

 

Yeah, keep congratulating yourself and patting yourself on the back for your keen insights. The rest of us know this was not hypothetical and that you do think it. Seriously.

[Pink Amulet]

Yes the Australian sun is extremely dangerous.

 

However, we had a complete back lash to the Australian campaign "Slip Slop Slap"- Slip on some sunnies (sunglasses), Slop on some sunscreen, Slap on a hat.

 

This campaign began in the late 90's- the damning skin cancer figures came to the fore, and were pushed across every comercial station in Australia.

 

We all got scared, ran back inside, and now apparently we all have vitamin D deficiencies for lack of sun exposure!!

 

:lmao:

 

You just can't win

[lovestruck234]

When the Slip, Slop, Slap campaign came out, we all did as PA said, run inside and freak out.

 

Now, I think it has sort of worn off and people just don't really care anymore...

 

Being at the beach as often as I am, it is too often you see people strip down to their swimmers and lay in the sun for, I'm not joking, HOURS! Eeek. I'd be laying there going "skin cancer, skin cancer, skin cancer"....

 

I have about 10 empty bottles on sun block in my car....I use it religiously. Ever day I put sun block on. On my face even when just going to work...I'm obsessed!

 

But really, I have a great aunty who has awesome skin cos she looked after it when she was my age, whereas my nanna on the other hand, she used to lather her skin up in coconut oil and lay in the sun all day and now her neck looks like a bloodhound! ...

 

That's why I am so against solarioums (tanning beds) as well. Actually, just this weekend I watched Final Destination 3....and after seeing those girls burn to death in solariums....ha, no thanks. Wrong number, go back. Next. The UV rays in those beds are like 10x stringer than the natural suns rays. What kind of idiot would lay there and enjoy the fact that they are slowly killing themselves? Strange....

 

I am in the sun every single day for atleast an hour surfing. I am not stupid enough NOT to wear sun block.....

[whichwayisup]

We all got scared, ran back inside, and now apparently we all have vitamin D deficiencies for lack of sun exposure!!

 

One can still get enough Vitamin D without burning themselves to a crisp. Somehow we all manage OK in Canada.

 

I always put on sunblock.

[Craig]

The rest of us know this was not hypothetical and that you do think it.

Ok, who let the mind readers in?

[Pink Amulet]

I think it is hilarious that I have come on here without ONE single post criticising overweight individuals, nor have I commented on the way they look, or how they should be treated- I have simply reitterated the words of health, science, and political figures around the world (that this is a social problem, not an individual one), while others have blatantly said...

"I hate fat people",

"It is disgusting",

"fat people make me sick"

(all comments, while being the opinions each are entitled too I thought to be quite cruel and heartless to be honest)

 

...yet I am the one being berated???

 

Where is the logic here?

 

I really don't want people to die for reasons unneccessary.

 

Oh screw it, I give up.

 

Let us just say, I am a heartless, cruel, self centred, egotisitcal, bitch, who wants nothing more than to live in a world ruled by aesthetic perfection.

 

Happy?

[whichwayisup]

Where did this come from all of a sudden? Earlier you were happy and thanking everybody...

[Pink Amulet]

Thanking those who chose to address the issue rather than inciting a personal attack.

 

The guest post is what pissed me off WWIU.

 

I had also read all the posts I missed while I was away...

 

I am certainly not the one with the strong feelings "against fat people" but rather, against the social problem perpetuating obesity.

 

Yet I am being called every name under the sun, and having my honor dragged through the mud?

 

I would like to know what happened to this....

 

This could be an excellent thread if everyone will please stick to the topic and leave out personal attacks. Some posts have already been deleted for that reason. The topic is current and valid so if we all make comments that are rational and set forth our feelings without personal attacks we could have something good here. (Attacks or negative remarks on obesity in general are not considered personal attacks.) Otherwise, it will be deleted and we would all be denied some very good stuff.

 

A great many posts from the last two pages of the other thread referred to above have been deleted because they were meanspirited and off-topic. I regret not having seen them earlier. That thread has been closed.

 

Please remember, don't get personal here and we could have a great thread!

[whichwayisup]

Best way to handle those types of posts are to either ignore them and don't react or just use the alert key. Try not to take what others say personally. I know sometimes it's hard not to, but a post, especially by a 'guest' shouldn't be worth reacting over. These types of thread bring out alot of heated discussions and sometimes they go too far...Concentrate on the positive responses, rather than the negatives ones.

[lovestruck234]

*waves hands in air franticly*....

 

Hey, hey!!! Hey there!! I still love you Pink!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

Teeee heeeee...

[Pyro]

Best way to handle those types of posts are to either ignore them and don't react or just use the alert key. Try not to take what others say personally. I know sometimes it's hard not to, but a post, especially by a 'guest' shouldn't be worth reacting over. These types of thread bring out alot of heated discussions and sometimes they go too far...Concentrate on the positive responses, rather than the negatives ones.

 

If only everyone could follow this advice......

[Amontillado]

I think this is best handled the way the Christians claim to: "Hate the sin, love the sinner." Of course obesity is bad, but we have to think of it in a detached way that doesn't make the individually obese person feel like a failure, doomed by their own weakness. For people in that state, food and lack of exercise can be a refuge, and a way to defy the world. My belief is that the best way to reach them is to keep the links with them open. Maybe suggest grabbing a quick salad for lunch and going for a walk! Certainly not "Fat people are disgusting". That doesn't help anyone.