Giving proper notice and then getting sacked

[justagirliegirl]

I have had 2 friends in the past month tell me they left their jobs and gave proper 2 weeks notice and then a day or 2 later they were sacked.

 

Is this a common thing for companies to do these days?

 

I would be a little scared to give proper notice if I knew that was going to happen.

[Art_Critic]

I have had 2 friends in the past month tell me they left their jobs and gave proper 2 weeks notice and then a day or 2 later they were sacked.

 

Is this a common thing for companies to do these days?

 

I would be a little scared to give proper notice if I knew that was going to happen.

 

 

VERY common..

 

If an employee gives notice I always let them go on the spot..

 

It saves the headache of the attitude going downhill and it also improves the moral of the troops.

 

Having a bad egg around that is just putting their 2 weeks in hurts a productive enviroment.

 

 

Why would you be scared ? You are giving notice..

By giving notice you are telling an employer that your company doesn't do it for me and I have found another one.

 

An employer still has to pay the person for the 2 weeks though.. in severence

[Pyro]

I have had 2 friends in the past month tell me they left their jobs and gave proper 2 weeks notice and then a day or 2 later they were sacked.

 

Is this a common thing for companies to do these days?

 

I would be a little scared to give proper notice if I knew that was going to happen.

 

Happens alot. It has happened to me before. They try to come up with a good excuse to cover it up, but I know better.

[Art_Critic]

If you don't give proper notice you most likely can kiss the ability of using that job as a reference goodbye ..

[laRubiaBonita]

they do not get fired though, right? i would think that would be retalitory.

[everlong]

hey, its not a bad thing. u get two weeks pay without having to work - sounds good to me. and if u gave them notice, you probably already have a new job anyways - so no need for the reference. i say, take the two weeks pay, go on vacation and you'll be totally fresh when u start that new job.

[justagirliegirl]

If you don't give proper notice you most likely can kiss the ability of using that job as a reference goodbye ..

 

The employee has to do the right thing but the employer can be a git. So you yourself would expect to be sacked if you gave notice?

 

Is this the US they have to give you pay for those 2 weeks. Never heard of that.

 

I guess the best thing is to decide your quitting day and give notice on that day. You know the deal of how a company handles things after you have worked there awhile anyway.

[Art_Critic]

they do not get fired though, right? i would think that would be retalitory.

 

It is different than getting fired.. the person still quits..but the employer has to pay the severance for the 2 weeks not worked because it is his chosing

[justagirliegirl]

they do not get fired though, right? i would think that would be retalitory.

 

I would think it would be a firing. The tell you to leave and not come back. What else would it be?

[Art_Critic]

Is this the US they have to give you pay for those 2 weeks. Never heard of that.

 

They pay is if they chose to let that person go on the spot instead of working their notice..

 

The employee has to do the right thing but the employer can be a git. So you yourself would expect to be sacked if you gave notice?

 

That is the way it works.. by the way.. if an employer choses to not work you for a 2 weeks notice that doesn't make him a git..

 

You chose to quit.. that in itself is telling the employer to FO.

 

and yes I would expect to be let go anytime I turn in my notice.. but I am an employer in my own company so I would have to be bought out not let go

[Art_Critic]

I would think it would be a firing. The tell you to leave and not come back. What else would it be?

 

The person is still quiting but the severance is paid because you aren't working them the notice that they are going to give you.

 

It is a somewhat hostile move.. but a necessary one if one is concerned about their company.

 

All an employer has to do is work someone who is disgruntled for 2 weeks and their bad attitude could spread to the rest of the workers..

[blind_otter]

You chose to quit.. that in itself is telling the employer to FO.

 

You should read

 

The 7 Hidden Reasons Employees Leave: How to Recognize the Subtle Signs and Act Before It's Too Late

 

by Branham, Leigh.

[Art_Critic]

The 7 Hidden Reasons Employees Leave: How to Recognize the Subtle Signs and Act Before It's Too Late

 

I have.. it is a good book.. the expectation and reality of both parties plays a role in why people leave to begin with.

one thing is for sure.. when someone does turn in their notice it is too late..

 

We don't have a turnaround issue here though.. almost all of our workers have been here over 15 years and some 25 years

[napoleandynamite]

yes, some companines are like this. not all. some appreciate the two weeks notice and other want longer.

one job i had was contracted and stated if i were to resign, i would have to give four weeks notice.

 

depends...

[bluechocolate]

There is something a bit confusing about the terminology here. If you give notice & the company decides to pay out your leave they are not sacking you.

 

Most of the places I have worked (when I used to work for other people) would never, ever let someone work out their notice. If you quit they had security on the spot & escorted you & your personal belongings out the door that very hour.

[burning 4 revenge]

I've given two weeks notice and worked the full term several times. I've even trained my replacement before.

 

I don't get what you guys are talking about.

[HokeyReligions]

Not sure where you get the employer is required to pay severance. They are not in any of the states I've worked in. They don't have to pay anything except for hours worked, and they have only a few days after termination of employment to pay those wages earned. What partof the world requires an employer pay severance?

 

I've given notice and worked to the day I said was going to work and never had any problem. I've also had people give notice and I didn't get rid of them right away. Unless the person is a problem employee or the type of person where professionalism and ethics are not expected there is no reason to terminate them on the spot.

 

Hearing that makes me think the person being terminated wasn't that great or was not respected or trusted to begin with, or the company was not as ethical as it should be.

[HokeyReligions]

There is something a bit confusing about the terminology here. If you give notice & the company decides to pay out your leave they are not sacking you.

 

Most of the places I have worked (when I used to work for other people) would never, ever let someone work out their notice. If you quit they had security on the spot & escorted you & your personal belongings out the door that very hour.

 

 

Good Grief! Where did you work before!? Whenever I've given notice my employers have appreciated it and I also have trained replacements and in one case I interviewed others and made a recommendation on who to hire, then trained them before I left. I quit the company I'm working at now - back in 2003. I gave a resignation letter the same day I left and it was because of a 'personality conflict' and they hired me back three years later.

[bluechocolate]

Not sure where you get the employer is required to pay severance. They are not in any of the states I've worked in. They don't have to pay anything except for hours worked, and they have only a few days after termination of employment to pay those wages earned. What partof the world requires an employer pay severance?

Severance is a different thing from paying out someones notice to leave. In this country (the UK), in Australia & as far as I remember in Canada too, your employment contract will state the terms of notice that have to given by the employee. Usually my contracts required a one month notice, sometimes 3 months. If the company doesn't want you to work out the notice once you've formally tendered your resignation then they are legally obliged to pay you. Hourly paid temp work or contract work is a different story, in those situations you generally don't have a contract with the company you're working for.

[HokeyReligions]

That's right - I forgot you are UK!

 

It's terminology - in the US the law and terms are a bit different:

 

US Dept. of Labor website:

http://www.dol.gov/elaws/faq/esa/flsa/007.htm

 

Severance pay is often granted to employees upon termination of employment. It is usually based on length of employment for which an employee is eligible upon termination. There is no requirement in the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) for severance pay. Severance pay is a matter of agreement between an employer and an employee (or the employee's representative).

 

The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the minimum wage for all hours worked in a workweek and time and one-half an employee's regular rate for time worked over 40 hours in a workweek.

 

I've had contracts too where it is stipulated that the company will buy out the remaining contract under certain conditions - just giving notice and quitting for a new job (or no job) isn't usually one of them though. For those who are considering this - look at your contract and know the terms of termination!

[Art_Critic]

If there is a contract then the terms of the contract determine what happens.

 

In Georgia the employer does not have to pay the severance but if he doesn't then the employee is able to file for unemployment pay for the 2 weeks not worked.

 

In the end it is cheaper to pay the severance then to deal with the unemployment office and rate hikes.

[bluechocolate]

Good Grief! Where did you work before!?

Believe me, in the business in which I worked that is common practice! It is primarily about protecting client relationships. Many people get hired on the basis of the money (clients) they can bring with them so it stands to reason that when they leave they'll take that business with them, & then some. Employers try to minimise that impact. Hence the security escort, making sure that when you leave you're not leaving with any computer disc's or files or attempting to poach others on your way out. Usually when someone big leaves a whole slew of people follow in their wake.

[OceanBlue]

Some are given severance and escorted out based on the sensitivity of the information that the position has access to, as well as job functions. Throw in a negative attitude and in the long run it is cheaper for the employer to pay.

 

After I gave my notice, I spent 2 weeks begging to be escorted out but for some d*mn reason they insisted on keeping me around!

[kjl933]

With the proliferance of computers, blogs, message boards and so forth, a lot of damage could be done to a company in two weeks. It would be the rare employee that would remain for me.

 

Legally in the US I do not believe you are entitled to anythign. Most states are Work at Will states and you can be terminated or quit for any reason or no reason at all.

 

With that said, when someone gives notice, I can continue to have them work their time and pay them as normal and say goodbye. Or, I can terminate them immediately (not fire) and continue to pay their wages as if they were working for the remainder of their notice and then say goodby with a letter in their last check. Or I can terminate them and not pay them--at which point, they will file unemployment and prevail. While the UE costs me less in terms of money, it is a hassle and unless we are talking a high salary (in which case a prenegotiated severnce would probably be in place) it is not worth the hassle and bad will to fight or defend.

[Loserdude]

VERY common..

 

If an employee gives notice I always let them go on the spot..

 

It saves the headache of the attitude going downhill and it also improves the moral of the troops.

Having a bad egg around that is just putting their 2 weeks in hurts a productive enviroment.

Why would you be scared ? You are giving notice..

By giving notice you are telling an employer that your company doesn't do it for me and I have found another one.

An employer still has to pay the person for the 2 weeks though.. in severence

 

Wow, I am stunned that a person this clueless operates a business. I would love to hear your employees' opnions if they knew that you wrote this. Improves morale? I bet they say something different, as in, "Try to do the right thing and Art_critic will screw you over."

Giving two weeks notice is simply the professional thing to do. If the employer has concerns about it, the employer should have a candid conversation about whether the employee can continue to fulfil his/her work obligations and then go from there - I know for sure as an employee, I would do the right thing. A blanket policy to let someone go on the spot seems childish - and consider that the employees, if they know about this policy, will count down their two weeks prior to telling you and then become a bad egg. And not all states require the severance - Pa does not.