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"Throughout my 35 for life yrs I have learn one valuable thing about women, they Love for you to listen to them. I'm not talking about the "yes dear thing". I'm talking about truely listening. A women will tell you everything you need to know if you listen, where to touch, what she likes, how she likes, when she likes. Everything."

 

don't u need them to talk with u in order to actually listen to what they are saying...lol

 

can't have step b without step a

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Women love HONESTY and INTEGRITY....things that men of this generation seem to be seriously lacking.

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Women love HONESTY and INTEGRITY....things that men of this generation seem to be seriously lacking.

 

ahh, another man-hater.

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"Throughout my 35 for life yrs I have learn one valuable thing about women, they Love for you to listen to them. I'm not talking about the "yes dear thing". I'm talking about truely listening. A women will tell you everything you need to know if you listen, where to touch, what she likes, how she likes, when she likes. Everything."

 

don't u need them to talk with u in order to actually listen to what they are saying...lol

 

can't have step b without step a

Thats so true. That is my number one thing that I looked for in a guy. If they didn't listen they were gone. Its so frustrating when someone doesn't listen to what their saying.

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ahh, another man-hater.

 

As long as men in our society keep running away from their responsibilities and good moral values, then yes - man-hater? You bet.

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"Throughout my 35 for life yrs I have learn one valuable thing about women, they Love for you to listen to them. I'm not talking about the "yes dear thing". I'm talking about truely listening. A women will tell you everything you need to know if you listen, where to touch, what she likes, how she likes, when she likes. Everything."

 

don't u need them to talk with u in order to actually listen to what they are saying...lol

 

can't have step b without step a

 

Its just amazing how many guys don't actually realize this.

 

Some of us guys do actually listen, so don't judge us all just because some guys are incapable of listening to anyone other then themselves.

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Wow...

 

There are good men out there. I know me and my buddies are :D Maybe you're hanging out with the wrong people. Sure we don't excel in listening, we forget important dates, we aren't romantic enough, but there are women out there who find all this clumsiness charming nonetheless :o

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Women love HONESTY and INTEGRITY....things that men of this generation seem to be seriously lacking.

 

Qualification: women love these things in men, only after they have had their hearts broken, and become wise enough to realize that the bad boys are not the ones they are looking for. The problem is not all with men here....women, when they are young, give men the impression they want them to be the bad boys - the ones that are a little too hard to control....yet then when they get older, change their tune completely. If more women would understand all this at a younger age, maybe more men would be better listeners. Oftentimes, when I've listened to women, I've been pegged as "the friend"; women take advantage of men like this, so is it any wonder more of them don't exist?

 

From my own experience, younger women want to do the whole party scene....but then once they f u c k their lives up, that's when they look for a guy with integrity and honesty....so, men get the message that if they have integrity and honesty, all they get are the damaged goods (pardon my bluntness). Women when they are young, want the alpha-male, but then complain that men want the ultimate female, once they are looking for a man with "integrity and honesty"....this does not jive. It's just a fact in society that MOST attractive, young women are not into what you say women want....they SAY they are, but if you ask them what ther boyfriends behave like, well that will prove my point.

 

Personally, this is exactly why I am VERY weary to get involved in any kind of relationship....women like to be wild, and if a man tries to reign them in, they will just go find another guy (but keep the one who makes their life stable). Oftentimes, in my experience, women display the opposite of integrity and honesty more so than men do (not that I'm saying players like that don't exist)....however, if women did not go for the flahiness, the mystery, the bad-boy image, players would be out of business....the very fact that players are a problem in society is a testimony to the fact that women, by default, find that sort of thing attractive, and it takes a major shift in their reality for them to change....and then they seek out one of these guys with "integrity and honesty". Kind of a sad existence for a guy with those qualities....yet most likely, he will not change who he is, because he does have these qualities, yet in the end, he really bites the bullet, in that the woman gets what she wants, but he may not actually get what he really wants.

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laguy10,

 

Then perhaps I'm the odd one here. You see, my dad was the ultimate bad boy. My parents divorced when I was very young...thankfully. I always despised my dad for being an a$$. So, my maternal grandfather was my role model and best buddy as I grew up. Integrity was his middle name. He was everything that a man should be. And the values he embraced were the very same ones that I have looked for in a man for a romantic relationship ever since I was a young woman. But they are often very difficult to find in men of my generation.

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And the values he embraced were the very same ones that I have looked for in a man for a romantic relationship ever since I was a young woman. But they are often very difficult to find in men of my generation.

You know why J_J_HB??? Because of "women's lib" and all that krap. All the problems started then, back in the '60s. So you can blame it on females all over.

 

BTW...nice to have you back on LS :)

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I don't think it's a generational thing at all. We learn how to treat people when we're very young, at home.

 

Like you said with your grandpa. I was also raised by a dad with moral values, treats people with common decency, male or female.

 

Everyone wants to say how society is the worst it's ever been. EVERY generation says that!

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laguy10,

 

Then perhaps I'm the odd one here. You see, my dad was the ultimate bad boy. My parents divorced when I was very young...thankfully. I always despised my dad for being an a$$. So, my maternal grandfather was my role model and best buddy as I grew up. Integrity was his middle name. He was everything that a man should be. And the values he embraced were the very same ones that I have looked for in a man for a romantic relationship ever since I was a young woman. But they are often very difficult to find in men of my generation.

 

Well Jen, if you have the ability to be down to earth and have not become bitter, and have not had to encounter any serious tradgedies in your own life to accomplish that, then you are blessed, whether you know it or not. Speaking personally, I'm always on the lookout for a girl who is attractive, down to earth, and just simple - I once told a friend of mine who is 40+ that that's all I wanted, and I was thinking girls like that would be a dime a dozen...her response is very key; she said that people don't become simple and down to earth unless they go through some major s*hit, because they have had everything handed to them. Females in this culture, are even worse, but not all to blame I don't think, because men cater to their every whim, because they don't want to lose them....so, most women become very spoiled, and very jaded towards men in general. Girls like THAT are a dime a dozen; girls who are simple and not jaded are very rare I'm finding...so, if you possess those qualities, then you can know that when you find a serious guy, he'll notice them about you right away. I suppose maybe finding serious guys these days is a bit of a mission too; although, I think if you go to the right sorts of venues, you can find them more easily.

 

You bring up an interesting point, too - and that is that your upbringing has a lot to do with how you end up as well as what you look for in a partner.

 

I would have to agree with alpamale somewhat, in that the whole women's liberation movement did cause women to shoot themselves in the foot in some ways, because women want a man who will take control and be a "man", but they have pulled the rug out from under men, so no one even knows what it means to be a "man" anymore.

 

alphamale's quote:

You know why J_J_HB??? Because of "women's lib" and all that krap. All the problems started then, back in the '60s. So you can blame it on females all over.

 

However, I would have to agree that all that would make no difference if kids' upbringings were better. Think of how many sons grow up without any kind of a father figure in their lives, and you can begin to understand how frustrating it can be for men to really find who they are, especially in a society that has sent the message that a true man is more like a woman with muscles (sensitive, kind, nurturing, etc, etc)

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Think of how many sons grow up without any kind of a father figure in their lives, and you can begin to understand how frustrating it can be for men to really find who they are, especially in a society that has sent the message that a true man is more like a woman with muscles (sensitive, kind, nurturing, etc, etc)

You know why that is LAGUY10??? Because the man's place is to provide and work and the woman place is to stay at home, cook, clean and take care of the kids. Women's lib effectively screwed up the way things should be and now we have social and econimic upheaval and the family structure has totally fallen apart causing rampant divorce and emotional turmoil.

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A lot of it does come from how you were brought up. Me, I was brought up to want a man to be a man, take control, and be dominant. In other words, I don't want to wear the pants in the relationship and won't.

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You know why that is LAGUY10??? Because the man's place is to provide and work and the woman place is to stay at home, cook, clean and take care of the kids. Women's lib effectively screwed up the way things should be and now we have social and econimic upheaval and the family structure has totally fallen apart causing rampant divorce and emotional turmoil.

 

I would have to agree....however, I can understand where women were coming from when they wanted more rights...things just were taken too far. Anyways, I've got to log out, or else I will need to get a job where I can work from home, and get groceries delivered to my door. LOL

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You know why that is LAGUY10??? Because the man's place is to provide and work and the woman place is to stay at home, cook, clean and take care of the kids. Women's lib effectively screwed up the way things should be and now we have social and econimic upheaval and the family structure has totally fallen apart causing rampant divorce and emotional turmoil.

 

Your an old fashion guy aren't you?

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You know why that is LAGUY10??? Because the man's place is to provide and work and the woman place is to stay at home, cook, clean and take care of the kids.

 

HEEEELLLL YEAHHH! 'Cause we all know women weren't born with brains!!! They got groins and hands and that's all they need! HOOO ___ YEAHHHHHH!

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You know why that is LAGUY10??? Because the man's place is to provide and work and the woman place is to stay at home, cook, clean and take care of the kids. Women's lib effectively screwed up the way things should be and now we have social and econimic upheaval and the family structure has totally fallen apart causing rampant divorce and emotional turmoil.

 

Is this really how you feel, Alpha?

 

I can kind of see where you're coming from, that's the kind of house I was raised in. And if I were to have kids, I would want to be able to stay home with them. If only because I'm just not organized enough to hold down a job and run a household and raise children effectively.

 

And I'd be willing to give up luxuries to be able to do that. The world has changed so much in the way of materialism. For one, there are more things to spend money on. Our parents would never run up their credit. If there was something that was wanted (i.e., not needed), it was saved for. A lot of families only had one car.

 

Now, it seems most people just go and buy whatever it is that they want and credit card/loans start adding up, forcing a need for a second income.

 

Sorry....I got of on a rant. Just realized I got way off the thread topic.

 

Sorry about that! (I blame the cold medicine)

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Is this really how you feel, Alpha?

pretty much, yes. I was raised in a very traditional household where my mom and dad had clearly dilineated roles. Everyone knew what to do and what their job was. Today women are competing with men in the workplace and its messing everytiing up. Now we need two incomes to be middle class instead of one.

 

Women still do most of the work to take care of house, cook, cleand and take care of kids and now they are working to boot. Women libs has shot women in the foot and also men too. It is a failed social experiment.

 

Kids are all screwed up, families are falling apart, drugs, alcohol abuse, blah blah blah

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A lot of it does come from how you were brought up. Me, I was brought up to want a man to be a man, take control, and be dominant. In other words, I don't want to wear the pants in the relationship and won't.

 

Same here. Hard to find the balace between taking control and being controlling though.

 

I need to feel protected and taken care of.

 

That and someone who knows that the furnace filter needs to be changed every month! :lmao:

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That and someone who knows that the furnace filter needs to be changed every month! :lmao:

would you settle for just being good at cunnilingus? :laugh:

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I love the way I grew up and I wish it was still like that. I can't imagine not coming home from school, mom's always there, supper's started. The table was set, we had dinner at 5:30 every day, without fail. Except weekends - then mom and dad had their fun and went out.

 

That's not to say mom didn't work though! She worked her butt off taking care of us, the house, dad. Our house was always spotless. She clipped coupons every Sunday, grocery shopped every Friday.

 

(sigh) getting nostalgic....

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would you settle for just being good at cunnilingus? :laugh:

 

oh that's a prerequisite already!

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I love the way I grew up and I wish it was still like that. I can't imagine not coming home from school, mom's always there, supper's started. The table was set, we had dinner at 5:30 every day, without fail. Except weekends - then mom and dad had their fun and went out.

 

That's not to say mom didn't work though! She worked her butt off taking care of us, the house, dad. Our house was always spotless. She clipped coupons every Sunday, grocery shopped every Friday.

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yaah, see thats what i'm talking about. peace, harmony and the natural order of things.

 

I see commercials on TV nowadays with celebs telling parents to sit down and eat dinner with their kids. WTF is that? It was normal when I was a kid.

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Is this really how you feel, Alpha?

 

The world has changed so much in the way of materialism. For one, there are more things to spend money on. Our parents would never run up their credit. If there was something that was wanted (i.e., not needed), it was saved for. A lot of families only had one car.

 

Now, it seems most people just go and buy whatever it is that they want and credit card/loans start adding up, forcing a need for a second income.

 

Oh you betchya! Parents now feel it necessary to be two-income earners just to pay for the crap that our society now deems to be necessities (e.g., two cars, flat-screen TVs, cable, cell phones for the kids, riding lawn mower, video game consoles, computers, vacations, designer clothes, pricey beauty products, many dinners out, luxury vacations, ect.), and then add to that the fact that our taxes keep going up to pay for government-run social welfare programs that don't work. No wonder the traditional family is growing extinct. Families are too disconnected from each other, because they are too busy accumulating stuff.

 

Okay, I'll get off my soapbox now. :laugh:

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