Phone Sex, Porn and the Internet in Relationships

[Zato]

There is no reason why a man should look at porn if it bothers and hurts his SO. If he continues to do so after he is aware of the pain it causes her he is a jerk. If nameless naked chicks mean more to him this his SO then he is a loser. Sorry. If people feel opposite on this issue they should not be together.

 

I totally agree. Although there are certain situations where your SO is simply being ridiculous and is being over jealous/paranoid/controlling. And to learn where the line is so it doesn't get crossed is very important.

 

Porn is just porn and is not important what so ever, and if it cause your SO pain then I would think a normal rational loving person would drop it in a second for them.

[tommyr]

Is porn really the issue, or is the issue really masturbation involving porn?

I suspect the later, since these 2 go together for me (and alot of males and many females too).

 

If my wife told me she wanted me to stop all use of porn, then my (almost daily) need for "quick relief" now becomes a serious problem for both of us!

 

So ladies, before asking your men to stop all porn use, ask yourselves first if you really are prepared for daily 3-minute sex without regard for women's pleasure.

 

I guess my wife knew better, because she totally knows about my favorite Internet porn site!

[Jersey Shortie]

Is porn really the issue, or is the issue really masturbation involving porn?

 

I don't mind masturbation. I mind the porn. Perfect ideal of what a woman should look like complete with implants and make up to cover up any imperfection and not over a certain age limit.. The fact that porn is rather degrading to women. Nothing but interchangable toys there for men's pleasure. Varity, when your man claims he is committed to you.

 

Again, I wonder how men would feel, if they would begin to question their place in their women's life if she was forever looking at pictures of hot men who were 6 feet tall had big penises, made tons and tons of money and bought her tons of things with that money, and then turning to him for her real life needs. Seriously. I have said this a few times and I have yet to hear any man here respond to it.

 

Would you question your place in her life? If she was getting off on the things that men are inherently insecure about and were exploiting them and supersizing them? Would men feel like they were good enough? Because at the end of the day. Women, real women, just aren't good enough for men. And it makes me feel sad and hurt. Because while I would LOVE to have a healthy happy relationship, one that I felt I could trust him and be respected. Guys are apparently more worried about their porn. I guess I just question men's *priorities*. Because the real women in their life apparently isn't one.

 

 

 

"So ladies, before asking your men to stop all porn use, ask yourselves first if you really are prepared for daily 3-minute sex without regard for women's pleasure."

 

Because it's all about you then I guess.

 

 

 

I guess my wife knew better, because she totally knows about my favorite Internet porn site!

 

And what a sweet and loyal husband you sound like. *snicker*. Men and loyalty is apparently nothing but a pipe dream.

[tommyr]

I don't mind masturbation. I mind the porn. Perfect ideal of what a woman should look like complete with implants and make up to cover up any imperfection and not over a certain age limit.. The fact that porn is rather degrading to women. Nothing but interchangable toys there for men's pleasure. Varity, when your man claims he is committed to you.

 

Not all porn is "perfect ideal" , alot is just plain normal folks without clothes on. I am 100% committed to my wife. Have never kissed/touched/smelled /talked_dirty_to another woman in a decade of marriage. Obviously she is not threatened by porn (she once got me a Playboy subscription.. talk about your faked/edited pictures!).

 

Again, I wonder how men would feel, if they would begin to question their place in their women's life if she was forever looking at pictures of hot men who were 6 feet tall had big penises, made tons and tons of money and bought her tons of things with that money, and then turning to him for her real life needs. Seriously. I have said this a few times and I have yet to hear any man here respond to it.

My 3 minutes/day of porn use is not exactly "forever looking at pictures". The reason no men responded to it we don't even THINK in these terms (at least I dont). I am not the least bit threatened by "hot men" , nor their pictures, penises, paychecks.

 

Would you question your place in her life? If she was getting off on the things that men are inherently insecure about and were exploiting them and supersizing them? Would men feel like they were good enough? Because at the end of the day. Women, real women, just aren't good enough for men. And it makes me feel sad and hurt. Because while I would LOVE to have a healthy happy relationship, one that I felt I could trust him and be respected. Guys are apparently more worried about their porn. I guess I just question men's *priorities*. Because the real women in their life apparently isn't one.

Sounds like you are pretty sensitive to this, more so than most women I know of. Instead of trying to argue your position to change a particular man's view, I simply recommend you look for a man who already shares your views.

 

Because it's all about you then I guess.

Yes, my enjoyment of orgasm (WITHOUT jumping through all the hoops for actual partner-sex) is indeed "about me". So what? I also partner-sex too, but thats more work then either me or wife are willing to do every day.

My wife enjoys library books: should I be threatened by her selfishness over that?

 

And what a sweet and loyal husband you sound like. *snicker*. Men and loyalty is apparently nothing but a pipe dream.

My wife would differ with your definitions. We have a 100% loyal, monogamous marriage which happens to include some porn. I think we are both happier for that!

[Moose]

I don't mind masturbation. I mind the porn.

Let me get this straight. As long as your SO closes his eyes while he masturbates......you're ok with this?

 

What are you going to do about the images in his mind? Images that come from billboards, TV shows, commercials, magazine covers, ads, public bathrooms....not to mention everyday women who walk around dressed leaving nothing for the imagination?

Perfect ideal of what a woman should look like complete with implants and make up to cover up any imperfection and not over a certain age limit..

Don't you think we KNOW that? I, personally, don't look at porn.....but even these so called super stars like Paris H. and Brittany S.......they're all normal women like you and the next woman with make up caked on, and surgery to hide thier imperfections.

 

In porn, they just happen to be naked. And yes, it is attractive to men, or we wouldn't be MEN. It wouldn't be in our EVERDAY lives if it didn't sell products, services and promote spending.

 

DON"T BLAME US MEN IN GENERAL FOR WHAT SOCIETY HAS PLACED IN FRONT OF US!!!

The fact that porn is rather degrading to women.

If it's so degrading to women, maybe you women need to band together and see if you can put a stop to it aye? I mean really.....if us men tried to but an end to all of the porn, some women might cut our throats for taking money out of their kid's mouth, or because they couldn't pay their rent or college tuition.....

Nothing but interchangable toys there for men's pleasure.

Wrong! Porn is an INDUSTRY. People are making a living with it. It's almost like health care. There are doctors, nurses, hospitals that are earning cash because sooner or later we all get sick. Same with porn, there are the actors, models, camera men, directors and owners that know sooner or later we all get horny.....

Again, I wonder how men would feel, if they would begin to question their place in their women's life if she was forever looking at pictures of hot men who were 6 feet tall had big penises, made tons and tons of money and bought her tons of things with that money, and then turning to him for her real life needs. Seriously. I have said this a few times and I have yet to hear any man here respond to it.

Let me be the first to answer you then:

 

1. I wouldn't think anything of it because I'm secure with my position, and if she does get her jollies looking at something she knows she can't have....then so beit.

 

2. If it did piss me off, I'd have to question my own insecurities and begin to work on those rather than blame her for my short comings.....

Because at the end of the day. Women, real women, just aren't good enough for men.

Says you! Generalizing doesn't do anything but piss people off......

[rainfall]

Is porn really the issue, or is the issue really masturbation involving porn?

I suspect the later, since these 2 go together for me (and alot of males and many females too).

 

If my wife told me she wanted me to stop all use of porn, then my (almost daily) need for "quick relief" now becomes a serious problem for both of us!

 

So ladies, before asking your men to stop all porn use, ask yourselves first if you really are prepared for daily 3-minute sex without regard for women's pleasure.

 

I guess my wife knew better, because she totally knows about my favorite Internet porn site!

 

Hey I have no problem at all with just thinking about my boyfriends pleasure when we have sex. Not every single time but I would have no problem if he said he wanted quick sex once a day where all we worried about was him. If we did this that we mean we would get to have sex more and I can't complain about that even if it is only about him.

[Moose]

Hey I have no problem at all with just thinking about my boyfriends pleasure when we have sex. Not every single time but I would have no problem if he said he wanted quick sex once a day where all we worried about was him. If we did this that we mean we would get to have sex more and I can't complain about that even if it is only about him.

1. You're not married, (IMHO), you shouldn't even be having sex....

 

2. Just how old are you anyways?

 

3. DO you think you'd have the same attitude for rest of your life when, (or if), you two have careers and kids.....

 

4. What happens when he's turned down from you too many times in row and is in such a habit of, "gettin' his rocks off", that he's forced to use other means.....

 

These should be things to think about before you blurt out commitments like that......."just sayin'" (in honor of B.O.)

[rainfall]

1. You're not married, (IMHO), you shouldn't even be having sex....

 

2. Just how old are you anyways?

 

3. DO you think you'd have the same attitude for rest of your life when, (or if), you two have careers and kids.....

 

4. What happens when he's turned down from you too many times in row and is in such a habit of, "gettin' his rocks off", that he's forced to use other means.....

 

These should be things to think about before you blurt out commitments like that......."just sayin'" (in honor of B.O.)

 

1. I don't want to get married. It is nothing more then a piece of worthless paper. IMHO Why exactly should I not be having sex? Please tell me.

 

2. I will be 26 in a few months

 

3. I don't ever want to have kids. My boyfriend feels the same way.

 

4. The only time I ever turn down my boyfriend for sex is for one week out of the month. When did I ever say I turn him down?

 

Before I blurt out comments like what exactly? I was replying to what someone said about, "women would not want to have sex and just worry about a man." ............

[Moose]

1. Since you're not married, (yet having sex anyway), why would you give a flip whether or not your boy friend is looking at porn? You can walk away at a moments notice, (so could he), and not suffer the ramifications either Spiritually, Mentally, or Legally.

 

2. In two to five years, I sincerely hope you'll know where I'm coming from.

 

3. That's a shame.

 

4. Never said you did turn him down, that was a hypothetical question.......?

 

"Commitments"......not "comments", if you're, "boy friend", where to hear what you posted, and married you, wouldn't you be expected to follow through for as long as you are together? (meaning death)

 

I'm, "just sayin'", that before you make, "commitments" like that, you should think things through to the end, and not just look at the here and now.....

[rainfall]

1. Since you're not married, (yet having sex anyway), why would you give a flip whether or not your boy friend is looking at porn? You can walk away at a moments notice, (so could he), and not suffer the ramifications either Spiritually, Mentally, or Legally.

 

2. In two to five years, I sincerely hope you'll know where I'm coming from.

 

3. That's a shame.

 

4. Never said you did turn him down, that was a hypothetical question.......?

 

"Commitments"......not "comments", if you're, "boy friend", where to hear what you posted, and married you, wouldn't you be expected to follow through for as long as you are together? (meaning death)

 

I'm, "just sayin'", that before you make, "commitments" like that, you should think things through to the end, and not just look at the here and now.....

 

1. I give a flip because even though I am not married I do plan on spending the rest of my life with my boyfriend. I just don't see what exactly a piece of paper will change besides my last name.

 

2. I doubt it, but you never know.

 

3. I think it would be more of a shame for me to bring a kid that I didn't really want into this world. It would be unfair to the kid to have two parents who weren't happy to have them there.

 

4. If I ever stop having sex with him then he can get himself of however he wants as long as he doesn't cheat on me. I have even told him this.

[Moose]

The point is, you're not seeing this the way the OP is seeing this.

 

I agree there are pros and cons to the problem and it takes cooperation from both people to get through it.

 

The great thing about LS is that you hear all points of view.

[Mr. Lucky]

Again, I wonder how men would feel, if they would begin to question their place in their women's life if she was forever looking at pictures of hot men who were 6 feet tall had big penises, made tons and tons of money and bought her tons of things with that money, and then turning to him for her real life needs. Seriously. I have said this a few times and I have yet to hear any man here respond to it.

Well, as others have said, I love the extra sexual energy my wife brings when she has been turned on by some external thing. She went to a Chippendale-style show for a friend's bachelorette party (I'd wager that there were some 6-foot tall gents with big penises there ) and came home fully "locked and loaded". Trust me, I wish it was a weekly event!

 

Why? Because of two things:

 

1). I trust my wife not to violate the bounds of our marriage.

 

2). I know the difference between real and fantasy

 

Give me a break. I am a "misandrist" just because I said "guys suck".

 

Yes, you are. If you say "some" guys suck or "my" guy sucks, that is a qualified judgement. But when you (repeatedly) say "guys suck", you are a practicing, card-carrying MISANDRIST.

 

Mr. Lucky

[Zato]

This thread really doesn't have much to offer anymore.

 

It all comes down to personal morals and opinions.

 

Everything that needs/should to/be said has been.

 

Much <3 all.

 

Zach.

[Jersey Shortie]

Not all porn is "perfect ideal" , alot is just plain normal folks without clothes on.

 

All porn is however men's fantasy ideal. So you put these women on your pedestal of your fantasy ideal and you treat the one woman who really is in your life like she is just one of the crowd there to pleasure you.

 

 

 

I am 100% committed to my wife. Have never kissed/touched/smelled /talked_dirty_to another woman in a decade of marriage.

 

It's easy to do that when you have aids like porn that act as the diet version of the real thing. Please. It isn't a big accomplishment to haven't done these things but with your wife when you have an aid that gives a variety of women on a platter. Men's loyatly isn't worth much.

 

 

 

 

 

Obviously she is not threatened by porn (she once got me a Playboy subscription.. talk about your faked/edited pictures!).

 

Good for her! So when she hits 30s-40s and your still mlooking at pictures of 19 year olds, you have done a good job of degrading her and making her less of a human being and sexy woman.

 

 

My 3 minutes/day of porn use is not exactly "forever looking at pictures".

 

Since most men look at it regularly, and even at 3 minutes a day, that is regularly, I think "forever looking" works just fine to describe many men's porn love.

 

It be nice for a change if guys cared about the woman in their life more then porn but I can see with the amount of men on this thread that keep defending their loe of porn that I just really shouldn't expect much from men. Especially love, loyatly and respect of women.

 

 

Yes, my enjoyment of orgasm (WITHOUT jumping through all the hoops for actual partner-sex) is indeed "about me". So what?

 

I guess I am wrong to assume that within a relationship it's about both people, not just you anymore. But I can see that this is how men think. ME. ME. Me.

 

 

 

I also partner-sex too, but thats more work then either me or wife are willing to do every day.

My wife enjoys library books: should I be threatened by her selfishness over that?

 

How the heck is naked women that men put on pedestals of fantasy ideal compare to your wife checking out library books?????? Now if you compared your golf hobby to library books that would make sense. But youare comparing a sexual activity that involves other people, even in a shallow form like a movie, to library books.

 

 

We have a 100% loyal, monogamous marriage which happens to include some porn. I think we are both happier for that!

 

 

It's easy for men to be so called "monogamous" when you can just log on and seek out other women for your pleasure over your wife. If you want to pretend women are happier because their man can use them as one of the crowd, and can and still seek out other women just to have some kind of relationship with a man, then that's on your own shoulders.

 

-----------------------------------------------------------------------Moose:

 

What are you going to do about the images in his mind? Images that come from billboards, TV shows, commercials, magazine covers, ads, public bathrooms....not to mention everyday women who walk around dressed leaving nothing for the imagination?

 

There is nothing I can do but try to even the playing field. While he is so wrapped in the ideas of other women, I will wrap myself up in the ideas of other men and get attention from them. This way I, like him, can have a relationship with a man, and I can still get attention from other guys that means nothing. This is the only way around this. It doesn't pay to be loyal to men because they aren't going to be loyal to you. As you illustrated above that men are thinking about any woman they see that isn't their SO.

 

 

 

Don't you think we KNOW that? I, personally, don't look at porn.....but even these so called super stars like Paris H. and Brittany S.......they're all normal women like you and the next woman with make up caked on, and surgery to hide thier imperfections.

 

If you know that why do you get turned on from looking? My conclusion is then that men don't like normal women because you like these super imposed imaged of women that aren't even real. Why can't men just like real women? What is so bad about real women? The truth is real women just aren't pretty enough that men like that women get surgery to hide their "imperfections" as you called it.

 

You then tell your SO she isn't as attractive as these girls but you love her anyway. Do you see what a backhanded compliment that is? Women want their man to think they are the most beautiful sexy thing. The whole world loves Paris Hilton. But all women ask for is their one guy to love them an think they are beautiful. But they can' even have that because their own man is looking at pictures of photoshopped Britney and saying how beautiful *she* is.

 

 

DON"T BLAME US MEN IN GENERAL FOR WHAT SOCIETY HAS PLACED IN FRONT OF US!!!

 

What a perfect way to deflect any blame or personal responsiblity for your own actions.." It's societys fault, not mine! I have no control over my actions!" UNBELIVABLE!

 

 

...if us men tried to but an end to all of the porn, some women might cut our throats for taking money out of their kid's mouth, or because they couldn't pay their rent or college tuition.....

 

If men stood by their women and not the porn so much I think you would see that more women would have a newfound respect for men that they don't in this day and age.

 

 

Wrong! Porn is an INDUSTRY.

 

It's an industry that makes women nothing but toys that are interchangable for the next younger, bigger breasted starlet.

 

 

Quote:

Because at the end of the day. Women, real women, just aren't good enough for men.

Says you! Generalizing doesn't do anything but piss people off......

 

And says men by their actions.

 

Of course women are insecure by this! Can men not see how this makes women insecure? Their own man is out seeking other women. Usually other women that are better phyiscally then you. And the physical is very important to men. So yes. Women are insecure about this because porn plays up to all the things women are inherently insecure about.

 

As a man reading this, think about all the things as men you feel inherently insecure about as far as male pride goes, both sexes have these things, and think about your woman pandering to videos and and industry that exploited these beyond reason. And then ask yourself how you would feel. My bet would be not good.

 

At the end of the day it is a mans world and the men in it don't give a crap about women.

[Moose]

There is nothing I can do but try to even the playing field. While he is so wrapped in the ideas of other women, I will wrap myself up in the ideas of other men and get attention from them. This way I, like him, can have a relationship with a man, and I can still get attention from other guys that means nothing.

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT!!

 

The only reason why you won't even listen to reason about the subject.

 

If you'd admit that we have some truth in the matter, you wouldn't have a reason to flirt with men, or be unfaithful.....

 

WE"VE TOLD YOU, we DO respect women, more than YOU would EVER know!!

It doesn't pay to be loyal to men because they aren't going to be loyal to you.

I'm glad that ALL Women don't think like you. Mrs. Moose and I have been loyal since day one over 19 years ago. Some people get mis-guided, and that's a sad fact of life.

As you illustrated above that men are thinking about any woman they see that isn't their SO.

ALL THAT I ILLUSTRATED IS THAT YOU"RE POWERLESS OVER THE INBRED NATURE OF MAN!!And where did I say that he's NOT imagining his SO????? He could be thinking about the last time he made to love to her....you're SO quick to read the negative in men......

If you know that why do you get turned on from looking?

Like I said above.....it's an inbred characteristic. Don't tell me that you've never been turned on by a hot guy..??!!

My conclusion is then that men don't like normal women because you like these super imposed imaged of women that aren't even real.

That's a piss poor conclusion in my mind. What magazine is going to listen to my problems, give me strength, build me up, share my hopes, dreams aspirations........ and FIX MY SUPPER??? You're generalizing again!!

What is so bad about real women?

Well, to start with, some of them can be so hard headed, that when reason smacks them up side the face, it just bounces off with a pang!!

 

Other than that, there's not a dang thing wrong with them at all....

The truth is real women just aren't pretty enough that men like that women get surgery to hide their "imperfections" as you called it.

First off...I never said women should, I just said that they do to make it in the industry. Secondly, there's nothing about Mrs. Moose I'd want her to chance. She's perfect for me!

You then tell your SO she isn't as attractive as these girls but you love her anyway. Do you see what a backhanded compliment that is?

Generalizing again.....there should be a law about this!!

 

Look, Paris Hilton and Brittianey Spears do these things because, THEY CHOOSE TO!!!

 

Go yell at them would you? Go attack the industry where you'd do the most good.

 

Of course women are insecure by this! NOT ALL OF THEM!!!! MINE CERTAINLY ISN"T< YOU"RE GENERALIZING Can men not see how this makes women insecure? NOT ALL OF THEM!!!! MINE CERTAINLY ISN"T< YOU"RE GENERALIZINGTheir own man is out seeking other women.NOT ALL OF THEM!!!! MINE CERTAINLY ISN"T< YOU"RE GENERALIZING Usually other women that are better phyiscally then you. I think this is YOUR OWN INSECURITY< AND THAT"S WHY YOU"RE SO PISSED AT MEN IN GENERAL And the physical is very important to men. So yes. Women are insecure about this because porn plays up to all the things women are inherently insecure about.NOT ALL OF THEM!!!! MINE CERTAINLY ISN"T< YOU"RE GENERALIZING

 

I'm done with you!!

[Jersey Shortie]

If you'd admit that we have some truth in the matter, you wouldn't have a reason to flirt with men, or be unfaithful.....

 

 

What truth would I be "admitting" too? The fact is, the truth is men will be in a relationship with a woman and still seek out other women in shallow forms. Since that is the case, the only course of action that will keep my sanity is to have a relationship with a man and still seek out other men in shallow forms as well.

 

 

WE"VE TOLD YOU, we DO respect women, more than YOU would EVER know!!

 

Men have a funny way of showing it. You respect them by thinking about having sex with other women?

 

 

....you're SO quick to read the negative in men......

 

I can't honestly believe you being a man even admitted there are negative traits in men. Up until this point, no man has even owned up to that.

 

 

That's a piss poor conclusion in my mind. What magazine is going to listen to my problems, give me strength, build me up, share my hopes, dreams aspirations........ and FIX MY SUPPER???

 

That is exactly my point! The woman in your life is listening to your problems, giving you strength, building you up, sharing your hopes, fixing your supper and at the end of the day all men can think about is ALL THE OTHER WOMEN THEY CAN"T SLEEP WITH. MEN ARE HAVING FANTAZIES ABOUT OTHER WOMEN. The real woman in your life is standing by your side and men are masturbating to the 20 year old in the porno with the fake boobs. Is that the thanks and respect you give to your SO? Then who needs men thanks and respect.

 

 

JerseyShortie:

You then tell your SO she isn't as attractive as these girls but you love her anyway. Do you see what a backhanded compliment that is?

 

You quoted this mark I said but you never really addressed it. You just gave some BS answer about talking to the people in the industry. I don't see what that has to do with the above qoute.

 

Of course women are insecure by this! NOT ALL OF THEM!!!! MINE CERTAINLY ISN"T< YOU"RE GENERALIZING

 

Most women are insecure about something at some point. And if you don't think their men looking a perfect looking 20 years doesn't make a woman question her attractiveness to their SO and her not feel as up to par to her man, then you are ignorant.

[Moose]

The fact is, the truth is men

Men have a funny way of showing it

MEN ARE HAVING FANTAZIES

Then who needs men

And if you don't think their men

IF you don't see a pattern here, then I'm truly sorry for this remark....You are GENERALIZING, and you shouldn't be. I find it an insult that you would put all men in your little box as beasts......WHATEVER happened to you, you are cheating yourself, and making yourself MISERABLE for NO FRIGGIN" REASON.....

 

Keep these thoughts in mind will you?????:

 

1. There will always be someone better than you.....always!!!

 

2. There will always be something about your spouse you don't like.....always!!!

 

3. There will always be something you need to change about yourself.....always!!!

 

So get off your trip about MEN in general....and get on with the rest of your life.........MAN>>>>>>>>!!!

[Trimmer]

There is nothing I can do but try to even the playing field. While he is so wrapped in the ideas of other women, I will wrap myself up in the ideas of other men and get attention from them. This way I, like him, can have a relationship with a man, and I can still get attention from other guys that means nothing.

Jersey, since you are going to apply this to your own relationship, are you anticipating that this will help develop it closer to your idea of a good, healthy relationship, based on the values that are important to you?

[rainfall]

AND THERE YOU HAVE IT!!

 

That's a piss poor conclusion in my mind. What magazine is going to listen to my problems, give me strength, build me up, share my hopes, dreams aspirations........ and FIX MY SUPPER??? You're generalizing again!!Well, to start with, some of them can be so hard headed, that when reason smacks them up side the face, it just bounces off with a pang!!

 

 

 

I'm glad my boyfriend doesn't think I am supposed to fix his supper. He'd be extremely upset by now.

 

:D

[Moose]

I'm glad my boyfriend doesn't think I am supposed to fix his supper. He'd be extremely upset by now.

 

:D

LOL!!! I don't expect her to......I do find it a priveleage that she does though. I'd like to see a magazine or DVD do that!!..

[Jeffrey]

Pretty funny, the only person who's saying they're 'PERFECT' looking is you.

 

Considering you equate the perusal of porn with getting attention from REAL people, there's many things here out of whack.

 

Your concepts of fidelity and fantasy are way off the mark of what I'd consider to be 'Normal'

 

 

 

What truth would I be "admitting" too? The fact is, the truth is men will be in a relationship with a woman and still seek out other women in shallow forms. Since that is the case, the only course of action that will keep my sanity is to have a relationship with a man and still seek out other men in shallow forms as well.

 

 

 

 

Men have a funny way of showing it. You respect them by thinking about having sex with other women?

 

 

 

 

I can't honestly believe you being a man even admitted there are negative traits in men. Up until this point, no man has even owned up to that.

 

 

 

 

That is exactly my point! The woman in your life is listening to your problems, giving you strength, building you up, sharing your hopes, fixing your supper and at the end of the day all men can think about is ALL THE OTHER WOMEN THEY CAN"T SLEEP WITH. MEN ARE HAVING FANTAZIES ABOUT OTHER WOMEN. The real woman in your life is standing by your side and men are masturbating to the 20 year old in the porno with the fake boobs. Is that the thanks and respect you give to your SO? Then who needs men thanks and respect.

 

 

 

 

You quoted this mark I said but you never really addressed it. You just gave some BS answer about talking to the people in the industry. I don't see what that has to do with the above qoute.

 

 

 

Most women are insecure about something at some point. And if you don't think their men looking a perfect looking 20 years doesn't make a woman question her attractiveness to their SO and her not feel as up to par to her man, then you are ignorant.

[Jersey Shortie]

There will always be someone better than you.....always!!!

 

And men always seem to want to keep reminding you how much better other women are then you.

 

 

 

 

There will always be something about your spouse you don't like.....always!!!

 

I don't remember saying there wouldn't be.

 

 

 

There will always be something you need to change about yourself.....always!!!

 

I don't remember saying different.

 

 

 

So get off your trip about MEN in general....and get on with the rest of your life.........MAN>>>>>>>>!!!

 

It's hard to when you want a certain type of loving relationship with men and they are too busy defending porn and reminding you how there will always be more attractive women then you.

 

 

 

 

Jersey, since you are going to apply this to your own relationship, are you anticipating that this will help develop it closer to your idea of a good, healthy relationship, based on the values that are important to you

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No but I don't think men care about good healthy relationships!

 

 

LOL!!! I don't expect her to......I do find it a priveleage that she does though. I'd like to see a magazine or DVD do that!!..

 

That's exactly my point that YOU keep glossing over. Of course a magazine or DVD isn't going to do that. She is the one that shares your hopes, dreams, failures and cooks your dinner and men are too busy jacking off to the girl in the DVD magazine because of her fake breasts.

 

"Thanks honey for being by my side and making me steak when I ask! Now I need to go masturbate to Slutty Housewives 4 because there will always be hotter women then you!"

 

Men truly luck out in relationships. You get both worlds. Someone to come home to and x amount of women to think about. It doesn't really pay for a woman to be in relationships with men in this day and age.

[Moose]

And men always seem to want to keep reminding you how much better other women are then you.

You're generalizing again......!!!! This is a two way street. There will always be someone better than me as well, not just WOMEN.......

It's hard to when you want a certain type of loving relationship with men and they are too busy defending porn and reminding you how there will always be more attractive women then you.

Man you're so blind!!!

 

I"M NOT DEFENDING PORN!!!! I'll be the first person to tell you that porn is destructive....BUT GUESS WHAT??????!!!!!

 

IT"S HERE IT"S A FRIGGIN" PART OF THIS MESSED UP WORLD>>>>>GET OVER IT!!!!

 

That's not defending, that's proclamation of REALITY....

No but I don't think men care about good healthy relationships!

There's something no clicking right in your head......it's a shame you feel this way....I have proof you're stipulations are WAY OFF BASE!!

"Thanks honey for being by my side and making me steak when I ask! Now I need to go masturbate to Slutty Housewives 4 because there will always be hotter women then you!"

That's certainly not what takes place in my home, and I'm offended that you would asssume so.

[Jersey Shortie]

This is a two way street. There will always be someone better than me as well, not just WOMEN.......

 

I guess the difference between men and women is regardless if there is some other guy making x amount of money more then my boyfriend, I still think he is the best. Apparently men are different and will think every other women that has bigger boobs is better.

 

 

IT"S HERE IT"S A FRIGGIN" PART OF THIS MESSED UP WORLD>>>>>GET OVER IT!!!!

 

You think I like feeling this way about men and porn? Well you would be wrong! I can't just get over it. I am sick of being the second act to the porn that men love and idealize and make that their fantasy ideal.

 

 

That's certainly not what takes place in my home, and I'm offended that you would asssume so.

 

I didn't mean to imply that this is what happens in *your* own home.

 

However, I still feel like this is what men are saying with their actions and words:

 

"Thanks honey for being by my side and making me steak when I ask! Now I need to go masturbate to Slutty Housewives 4 because there will always be hotter women then you!"

[Pink_Tulip]

Hi Moose. I was wondering if you could help me understand some of your points. It seems to me that you are trying to convince jersey that porn is here and people will use it. I inderstand you have said you don't personally, and that you don't defend it, but that you accept it. But you also said, in your first post in this thread, I believe, that you were against premarital sex and that Jersey shouldn't be doing that.

 

What I am having a hard time reconciling is, you seem to be more blase about porn than premarital sex. It seems to me that porn is one of the causes of the sexual immorality that is so prevelent in society today. I am ok with premarital sex in a long term, commited relationship, but I do have a problem with the rampant, in your face sex everywhere, and a lot of that has come from the normalization of porn. So it is hard for me to understand how you can take a stand against premarital sex, but have the 'porn is here, deal with it' attitude. It seems to me, you should be just as against porn as you are premarital sex, if not more. Can you elaborate? Just curious about where you are coming from on the matter.