Ladywithafan Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 My co-worker's girlfriend's son was found dead yesterday afternoon, in the house, (bathroom) dead of a herion overdose. He was 21 years old. The description that was given was the bathroom was full of blood as he was found looking like he choked to death vomitting blood.... I was looking online to see if I could find any real description of what happens in the constext of this situation. My co-worker thinks that the boy's heart exploded as he was on methadone as well. Is that a possibility? I really don't know any more about the situation than this.... If anyone knows of any web sites, please let me know. The only other info is that a number (5-6) other teenagers between 15 & 21 have overdosed in the past couple of weeks as well so maybe they were thinking that someone is putting poison in the dope? I'm sure it will come out in our local paper soon enough.... Please help if you have any knowledge of a heroin overdose. Link to post Share on other sites
bab Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 A possibility and I stress possibility because it could be anything in this situation, is that it wasn't heroin at all but Morphine. Meaning, his dealer's supply got cut off, and they ripped off some Morphine from a pharmacy. Unfortuantely, generally herion is cut with something else, meaning the percentage of the actual drug in in the powder is low, but morphine from a pharmacy isn't cut. Hence the dealer gives the same amount of powder, the "customer" thinks it's what they usually get, so they use the same amount of powder, and boom, they overdose. This happened to someone I knew in highschool. I only say this because of the high number of people that have overdosed lately in your area. The blood thing. Probably post-mortem his blood vessels broke and all his blood drained out through is mouth and nose. Not uncommon, but it was post-mortem. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ladywithafan Posted November 29, 2006 Author Share Posted November 29, 2006 Thanks for the information, I'll let him know. Link to post Share on other sites
agnf666 Posted November 29, 2006 Share Posted November 29, 2006 Aren't they going to do an Autopsy report on him? That should tell her the inital reason why he died like that. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ladywithafan Posted November 30, 2006 Author Share Posted November 30, 2006 They will be doing an autopsy, however, my co-worker said that it will be 8-10 weeks before the results will be available...I was just reading in the paper, where we had a drugstore robbed last week, they got $8,500 worth of oxycodone, oxycontin and alprazolam...and one of the robbers was found two days later, dead in a motel of an overdose...the ages of the kids 21, and 20....just some bad stuff going on in my town, eh?...another 23year old led authorities on a chase because he saw "wild coyote and that Bugs Bunny" jump in front of him....what the h*ll is going on these days???? Link to post Share on other sites
tinktronik Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 I have seen info in the news that around Detroit,Cincinatti area there has been a "killer" agent in heroin lately . I have followed it b/c I have a close friend that has been a heroin addict for 10 years and lives in detroit . You may be able to google it and find some news. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ladywithafan Posted December 4, 2006 Author Share Posted December 4, 2006 I have seen info in the news that around Detroit,Cincinatti area there has been a "killer" agent in heroin lately . I have followed it b/c I have a close friend that has been a heroin addict for 10 years and lives in detroit . You may be able to google it and find some news. My hometown. I'll google it & check it out. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Ladywithafan Posted December 6, 2006 Author Share Posted December 6, 2006 I have seen info in the news that around Detroit,Cincinatti area there has been a "killer" agent in heroin lately . I have followed it b/c I have a close friend that has been a heroin addict for 10 years and lives in detroit . You may be able to google it and find some news. My co-worker said that they found stricknine (sp?) in the herion that caused this death....obviously, we all know that's poison...and they're actively searching for the suppliers. Funeral was last night. Link to post Share on other sites
bonehead Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 Normally doesnt cause the heart to explode. Metadone is actually a man made herion. So the effects are the same just metadone is " safer " Herion is a central nervous system depressent meaning that it will SLOW everything down. The blood very well could have come from a few sourses. Spasms of the GI tract causeing vomiting. The spasms can lead to vomiting and if you vomit hard enough blood vessles do rupture. The other possiblility ( and more likely if it was clean herion ) is his blood pressure dropped because his heart wasnt working hard enough and blood started backing up into the lungs. Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 i worry about my health too i really need just a call kind word i don't want to be this Link to post Share on other sites
bonehead Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 i worry about my health too i really need just a call kind word i don't want to be this What do you mean? Link to post Share on other sites
silentalways Posted December 8, 2006 Share Posted December 8, 2006 oh, i have battled an addiction for over a year now and i understand what the root cause of it is but i know that i will be told 'fix it' yerself so i have been trying to find a way to disassociate on event from the other - with varying degrees of success - but i am so tried of this - i just want my normal life back what i was saying is i know a call from a certain person would really help but i also know she will never do that - because - well, anyhooooooooo Link to post Share on other sites
Diorable Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 A possibility and I stress possibility because it could be anything in this situation, is that it wasn't heroin at all but Morphine. Meaning, his dealer's supply got cut off, and they ripped off some Morphine from a pharmacy. Unfortuantely, generally herion is cut with something else, meaning the percentage of the actual drug in in the powder is low, but morphine from a pharmacy isn't cut. Hence the dealer gives the same amount of powder, the "customer" thinks it's what they usually get, so they use the same amount of powder, and boom, they overdose. This happened to someone I knew in highschool. I only say this because of the high number of people that have overdosed lately in your area. The blood thing. Probably post-mortem his blood vessels broke and all his blood drained out through is mouth and nose. Not uncommon, but it was post-mortem. The same thing has/had been happening in my area (Philadelphia) for some time now. I lost a friend from a heroin death, not sure if it was an overdose or bad heroin. It was almost 4 months ago, and extremely hard for me, still is to this day. But reading something always seems to help me. Link to post Share on other sites
tinktronik Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 My co-worker said that they found stricknine (sp?) in the herion that caused this death....obviously, we all know that's poison...and they're actively searching for the suppliers. Funeral was last night.That sounds about right . The news that I have followed says that the drug is being cut with a killer intentionally to do just that ,kill the addict . Its very disturbing. Link to post Share on other sites
bab Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 That sounds about right . The news that I have followed says that the drug is being cut with a killer intentionally to do just that ,kill the addict . Its very disturbing. That is horrible. And not to sound cold and unfeeling, but it also doesn't seem like good business sense. Diorable-- My friend was in Philly as well, but it was quite a few years ago. Link to post Share on other sites
silentalways Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 i am very protactive right now regarding my addiction. i start my program tonite at rideauwood, my therapist on thursday, registered with RHO fer the intake list, promised myself today if i use again - rehab! and i even got the balls up to request the one thing that i know will keep me clean - BELIEVE but she said she can't right now - and that's ok we each have issues to deal and we;ll get them done keep the faith Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 my sons father lives in Atlanta area and just died Monday from herion od. found him sitting in the floor with his head in his lap foamed at the mouth. Link to post Share on other sites
jetsetjessica Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Yea unfortunately in addition to the creeps out there who cut their drugs with things to intentionally kill the user, there are also many drug dealers who get greedy. They will cut their drugs with anything and everything so they can make more money, and may not even know (or care, in most cases) what effect it has on the user. The problem is that because drugs are illegal, there is no regulation on their production, and no way (other than the user noticing it looks different or something) to tell if it's cut, how much it's cut, and with what. This causes another problem. Because say it takes a user a certain amount of badly cut drugs to get high. The drugs the user buys are usually cut pretty badly. But one day the user buys drugs from a new dealer. The drugs are barely cut at all. The user does the same amount as usual, but the actual drug content may be more than triple the usual. Boom. The user just overdosed. One day it may take a huge amount to OD, but the next it might only take a tiny bit. Link to post Share on other sites
tinktronik Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 Yea unfortunately in addition to the creeps out there who cut their drugs with things to intentionally kill the user, there are also many drug dealers who get greedy. They will cut their drugs with anything and everything so they can make more money, and may not even know (or care, in most cases) what effect it has on the user. The problem is that because drugs are illegal, there is no regulation on their production, and no way (other than the user noticing it looks different or something) to tell if it's cut, how much it's cut, and with what. This causes another problem. Because say it takes a user a certain amount of badly cut drugs to get high. The drugs the user buys are usually cut pretty badly. But one day the user buys drugs from a new dealer. The drugs are barely cut at all. The user does the same amount as usual, but the actual drug content may be more than triple the usual. Boom. The user just overdosed. One day it may take a huge amount to OD, but the next it might only take a tiny bit. Thats very true JSJ. Also the dangers of relapse after rehab or being clean are one of the most common times to od .After the person has been clean for a while they decide to get high and automatically go back to the same dosage they were at before , but its too strong and kills them . Link to post Share on other sites
Buttaflyy Posted January 8, 2007 Share Posted January 8, 2007 my sons father lives in Atlanta area and just died Monday from herion od. found him sitting in the floor with his head in his lap foamed at the mouth. I am very sorry for your loss! God bless you! i am very protactive right now regarding my addiction. i start my program tonite at rideauwood, my therapist on thursday, registered with RHO fer the intake list, promised myself today if i use again - rehab! and i even got the balls up to request the one thing that i know will keep me clean - BELIEVE but she said she can't right now - and that's ok we each have issues to deal and we;ll get them done keep the faith Yes, Keep the faith! You can do it! You seem to have a plan together. I hope that you are putting it into action. You have faith in yourself and you can overcome anything. I have faith in you. Be well! Link to post Share on other sites
wookinpanub Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 I know in my area about a year ago there was this heroin going around that was cut with phentanol. Which if you take it at a scale put heroin at a magnitude of x1 when it comes to potency. Phentanol is x1000. If that makes any sense? Anyway, there were like hardcore users being found dead left and right cuz they would try and do their normal amount. Link to post Share on other sites
RecordProducer Posted February 4, 2007 Share Posted February 4, 2007 And not to sound cold and unfeeling, but it also doesn't seem like good business sense. Not to sound cold and unfeeling, but if many more people die this way, it may lower the number of drug abusers in the future. The huge majority of those who use street drugs are already condemned to death due to drugs sooner or later. But if potential users could be diverted from the sin, it would be great. And you're right that it's stupid business-wise. Maybe somebody is doing it on purpose to stop the abuse of drugs? Link to post Share on other sites
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