Is The Truth Important To You?

[pureinheart]

Concerning major issues I check out the facts for myself, I listen to others, although have my own mind. Rarely being easily influenced or a people pleaser, I care what others think if I have offended them, otherwise don't care.

 

Am analitical and take very little at face value, there has always been a need for the truth or facts.

 

I sincerely believe that if an individual is truely seeking the truth they will find it, and if they don't care about truth, then the lie or half truth is sufficiant, and they will find that.

 

For me truth has always been essential because it tells me where I stand, what I need to do, or what I need not do....ect....

 

I have always known God, and had prophetic dreams at a very young age, prayed continually, felt set apart knowing my life wasn't my own...meaning I knew I belonged to God.

 

Still having many grey areas and lacked understanding , Jesus entered my life in a much greater way, moving most of the grey areas....

 

Then a few years later the Holy Spirit became quite active, teaching me the giftings and how to operate effectively in them.

 

This is my truth and experiences, what's yours?

[BabyPhoenix]

Concerning major issues I check out the facts for myself....

 

Am analitical and take very little at face value, there has always been a need for the truth or facts.

 

Great. I take it then that you examine things scientifically, using what evidence and tested research is available to you.

 

had prophetic dreams at a very young age, prayed continually, felt set apart knowing my life wasn't my own...meaning I knew I belonged to God.

 

Still having many grey areas and lacked understanding , Jesus entered my life in a much greater way, moving most of the grey areas....

 

Then a few years later the Holy Spirit became quite active, teaching me the giftings and how to operate effectively in them.

 

Uuummm... how anal_y_tical of you. How scientific.

 

 

I sincerely believe that if an individual is truely seeking the truth they will find it, and if they don't care about truth, then the lie or half truth is sufficiant, and they will find that.

 

Agreed. And it is clear which one you find suffici_e_nt.

[bluetuesday]

Great. I take it then that you examine things scientifically, using what evidence and tested research is available to you.

 

have you examined science, scientifically? then you will know that science cannot prove the truth of its own existence.

 

science and truth are wholly different arguments. and we know that what science currently assumes to be true, will not be true in another thousand years. the earth was never flat, even when people thought they could prove it was.

 

a study of quantum physics should teach you that science knows very little about the world, and science's 'truths' are constantly being updated. if you want a fact you can prove, there's one. but then i guess that's history, not science, right?

 

however, any open-minded study of history will demonstrate that human beings have a tendency to create belief systems and to elevate them to an absolute or infallible truth. scientifically-minded people are very quick to see this tendency in the field of religion, but are often unwilling to see that the exact same tendency is operating in the field of science.

 

from time to time, groups of scientists have declared that we have now reached the end of science - that science has discovered all the basic laws and therefore we have a complete and infallible scientific paradigm or belief system. of course scientists don't see it as a belief system, they believe it represents an infallible truth. but then again, orthodox religious people say the same about their religion. as an example of what i mean, in the late 1800s scientists firmly believed that matter and energy were two separate elements. good old einstein proved that claim to be incorrect.

 

so if you are open to the FACT that scientific discovery will continue, you should realise that current scientific knowledge cannot give a complete understanding of anything. i'll repeat that a little louder, OF ANYTHING.

 

when scientific materialists claim that god does not exist or that truth cannot be known unless you can see it in a petrie dish, they are simply making a claim. from a purely logical viewpoint, you cannot prove that something does not exist and if you are a true scientist, you will only say that current scientific investigations have not proven the existence of god, or of an absolute truth.

 

if you say otherwise, if you claim that science has all the answers, you are like those medieval people who believed it was proven that the earth was flat. and if scientists insist that the belief system of scientific materialism is somehow superior to what they call religion, they are no wiser than all of the religious people who claim that their religion is the only true one.

 

i welcome the day when scientists realise that scientific materialism has put science in a catch-22. the fact is that once you accept an 'infallible' paradigm, you automatically set up limitations for science by limiting the type of questions you are willing to ask.

 

which means that many scientists will not even consider questions that go beyond a materialistic view of the world - and since you seem to be claiming that only that which can be proven scientifically is truth, you fail to understand that while the scientific method limits itself by refusing to ask questions outside its own parameters, a genuine desire for truth and a genuine willingness to question ANYTHING in the search for truth is unlikely to come from someone with a strict 'science rules' attitude.

 

for the simple reason that if you accept the idea that there cannot be anything beyond the material universe, you have created some very restrictive limitations for scientific research and speculation. you have essentially created a closed belief system.

 

as for truth, OP, the search is a lifelong adventure. i have formulated my beliefs by refusing to ever stop asking questions and by seeking teachings that challenge what i think i know. only by being constantly willing to ask questions will you get close to the truth. overwhelmingly, as soon as humans think we know something, we turn that 'something' into a paradigm and any genuine search for truth ceases.

 

i too have a knowledge of god that goes beyond what can be experienced with the physical senses. i consider myself to be a seeker of the truth. i am not content knowing a half-truth and i would rather push and push and push for a higher truth than to cling to what i think i know. so if my beliefs are identical to what they are today in another year or another 10 years, something will be wrong.

 

i use to be a member of an organised religion, but as i alluded to above, i felt it was a closed system that would prefer i didn't ask certain questions. and once i left the religion and got answers to those questions, i realised why the religion couldn't, or wouldn't, answer them.