People of faith -- can you handle being "teased" about your faith?

[blind_otter]

Well my therapist would say that me getting defensive about religion is just me externalizing my own internal issues. I tend to agree.

[amaysngrace]

Well my therapist would say that me getting defensive about religion is just me externalizing my own internal issues. I tend to agree.

 

 

Yeah, validation. Hear and be heard. Sooner or later that'll pass.

[a4a]

If anyone is judging you for what you believe or don't believe, they are very hypocritical.

 

"Judge not least ye be judged" from the Bible.

 

Forget those people a4a, don't let them make you feel bad. They are just those holy rollers who have to shove religion down other's throats. Have they died and know everything firsthand?? Then they should just shut up. And quite possibly go pray for your soul.

 

I think this whole town is praying for my soul My bestest best best friend who would help my hide the bodies is a lesbian...... And she was also raised baptist :eek: She still believes, is still a baptist but no longer attends church. She is also in the closet still, but has a super gf! She often says "I know you don't believe, but I want to say a prayer for you so I feel better"

 

And you know I can appreciate that from her. It is her way of showing she does care. But she has never not once judged me because I do not believe what she believes. I admire her so much for so many things. She is indeed by far one of the most good hearted and truly spiritual people I have ever met.

[blind_otter]

Yeah, validation. Hear and be heard. Sooner or later that'll pass.

 

thank god, seeking validation is exhausting.

 

But I was thinking about the other day, I was standing in my garage smoking a cigarette with a friend of mine and she looks at me with this weird expression of mild disgust and says, "You're religious, aren't you?"

 

Like it's a bad thing. I fell all over myself trying to explain that I was spiritual, and I attend mass because of my own personal reasons, not because dogma dictates that I should. It just makes me feel better, you know? I don't feel part of "the church"....I feel part of a community of faith. There's a difference I guess. To me anyways.

 

But even though I fell all over myself explaining this, she seemed really put off by the vague notion that I like to attend mass. Like I was dumber in her eyes, or less of a person, because I believe in God.

[JackJack]

I have never really been "teased" about my faith or at least not to my face. Just like porn, religion will always be debated on what others think is right or wrong. That willl never change. I could give a flying flip what others think anyway. If I spent most of my time being concerned about what others thought of my faith or anything for that matter, I wouldn't get alot of living done. But thats just my opinon on it.

[quankanne]

I deal with many who are doing just compassionate work that don't seem to get the same recognition as many religious icons/believers/followers … that do amazing things everyday without any reason to do so but it is the right thing to do.

 

I don't deny that there are good people out there who have no religious affiliation or preference, more power to them for making theirs a better world. However, I do think religious people – like those who are areligious – get a bad rap by those who choose to look with eyes that don't see instead of recognizing the presence of good within the other folks. Maybe it's just easier for some because they see with their hearts? And realize the trappings don't matter?

 

to me, it all boils down to this: are you exercising kindness/generosity/love toward others? Or hiding behind some theology (and I'm including atheism) that justifies behaving badly towards others?

 

But even though I fell all over myself explaining this, she seemed really put off by the vague notion that I like to attend mass. Like I was dumber in her eyes, or less of a person, because I believe in God.

 

at which I say "I believe because he is mine and I am his." If they don't get it, then they just don't get it, and I won't let them stand in the way of my relationship with God.

 

I often wonder about those people who become viscious in their attacks on someone else's faith: Is it because they realize their lacking in something that they attack, or is it jealousy that I've got something so strong that it can't be taken away? If they are secure about their lack of believe, then surely they'd practice the "live and let live" theory.

[a4a]

I deal with many who are doing just compassionate work that don't seem to get the same recognition as many religious icons/believers/followers … that do amazing things everyday without any reason to do so but it is the right thing to do.

 

I don't deny that there are good people out there who have no religious affiliation or preference, more power to them for making theirs a better world. However, I do think religious people – like those who are areligious – get a bad rap by those who choose to look with eyes that don't see instead of recognizing the presence of good within the other folks. Maybe it's just easier for some because they see with their hearts? And realize the trappings don't matter?

 

to me, it all boils down to this: are you exercising kindness/generosity/love toward others? Or hiding behind some theology (and I'm including atheism) that justifies behaving badly towards others?

 

But even though I fell all over myself explaining this, she seemed really put off by the vague notion that I like to attend mass. Like I was dumber in her eyes, or less of a person, because I believe in God.

 

at which I say "I believe because he is mine and I am his." If they don't get it, then they just don't get it, and I won't let them stand in the way of my relationship with God.

 

I often wonder about those people who become viscious in their attacks on someone else's faith: Is it because they realize their lacking in something that they attack, or is it jealousy that I've got something so strong that it can't be taken away? If they are secure about their lack of believe, then surely they'd practice the "live and let live" theory.

 

I don't know I don't take a religion or one being part of a religion as a sign of them being good or bad. A good deed or good person is just that.... Catholic, Baptist, Gay, Bald, Skinny, Black, Midget or whatever. I see them being part of a religion as the last thing unless they make it a point to me to say in so many words they are better than others because they belong to a religion, or are gay, black, have a degree, or money.......

 

I totally agree with you about the attack thing. Unless someone is indeed persecuting them for their belief they need to just live and let live. RP gave a perfect example in reverse about how many religious people actually do approach those that do not conform to their ideals. I do experience the wrath of other peoples gods through individuals that think they need to force themselves/religion upon me. (I will never understand the need to do this) This happens quite often where I now live. Chatting and debating different religions should not shake ones faith in their religion, nor should it hurt the individual who believes it if they truly believe in it....... so agree with you on that!

[bluetuesday]

people rarely tease me about my faith because i'm way too cool and funny in real life for people to want to tease me about anything.

 

but if they did tease me, it wouldn't bother me in the slightest. shackers are more likely to tease, but when they do i kinda enjoy the sport and the opportunity to put them straight on their warped thinking.

 

i don't like it when people are uninformed and make bad guesses about god or religion or what spiritual people are like, but it doesn't offend me. i would like them to make better choices but i can handle it if they choose not to. to be offended, you have to be ready to take offense, and i try hard never to let what other people think disturb my peace.

 

being offended/unforgiving/angry creates a link between me and the person who tried to hurt me. why on earth would i want that in my life?

[quankanne]

A good deed or good person is just that.... Catholic, Baptist, Gay, Bald, Skinny, Black, Midget or whatever. I see them being part of a religion as the last thing

 

Exactly!!! The good in a person just stands out, regardless of creed. Now, A, tell me about this new Midget Creed ... :laugh:

 

I do experience the wrath of other peoples gods through individuals that think they need to force themselves/religion upon me. (I will never understand the need to do this)

 

there's sharing your belief in a non-threatening way by modeling it with your behavior (back to the good of a person shining through his/her actions), and then there's good old "bash 'em over the head until they *get* it." This last group means well, bless their hearts, but sublety escapes them ...

[RecordProducer]

THIS is why I am loathe to share my faith. This kind of stuff hurts my feelings, I take it personally, and it makes me angry when people mock my faith. THIS is the kind of response that makes me keep my faith to myself.

 

I won't go piece by piece to explain to RP why she has horrible misconceptions about what religion is, and obviously a very shallow understanding of faith and exactly what religion is. It does get old, and I don't want to bother.

I am sorry that I hurt your feelings. I see now that I shouldn't have written my view, because it probably hurt other people as well.

 

It doesn't bother me that people believe in god, but it bothers me that some evil people perform some horrible things hiding behind religion. Without offending Christianity, think of how Islam is being used to make people kill innocents and themselves. All in the name of god Allah. And it's totally NOT what the Koran preaches. Evil men have twisted everything and used it for their own purposes.

 

Most religions have done this. Christianity had been used by evil people for a long time, too. This is why I despise religion as an institution, because they use people's faith in something divine, people's ignorance, and fear to inject the sickest ideas and perform the cruelest deeds - all in the name of god's "love."

 

I, as an educated being who believes in science, can't accept that god has a skinny, bearded son and wants us to go to temples.

 

I'd like to hear what GOD is to you guys and how you explain the connection between the mighty power and the details related to religion. Why did people write the bible, who told them what to write? God? Why is this man Jesus Christ so important? Is god his father? If he is his father then how come god has a human son? Why is his son Jewish, but the religion is not Judaism? What's the purpose of churches? What's the purpose of god?

 

Just yesterday you posted that you and your family observe Hanukkah..

 

Why do you observe and practice that religion if you don't believe in it ? seems a bit hypocritical

Arty, I've NEVER celebrated ANY religious holiday. But since hubby's family gather to eat and drink for the Jewish holidays, what am I gonna do? Stay at home? They are not religious, but they have respect for their... group of people. I see the Jews rather as a nationality, because they all lived in Israel 5,000 years ago. They are the oldest nation, the oldest language still spoken. I am Jewish by my mom's mother as well. But I don't see Judaism as religion unless you are religious.

 

Everybody celebrates holidays because of the family reunions, presents, good food, days off from work, and fun. Not everyone is religious.

 

And what you called "practice religion" has nothing to do with celebrating holidays. Practicing is completely different from that. Those who go to temple regularly and pray - they practice.

[bluetuesday]

I'd like to hear what GOD is to you guys and how you explain the connection between the mighty power and the details related to religion.

 

i think i'll have a go at this, because it's important to stress that not everyone who believes in god is religious, or even thinks religion as it's currently practiced and has been practiced since recorded history began, is a great idea.

 

explaining what god is, is not easy, or short, but i will try.

 

god is a higher form of consciousness. this consciousness (or intelligence if you prefer) is the creator of this universe. so in one sense, god is a power, god is a will to create. god is the driving force behind all creation. the power that moves a flower to open, that is god. the power that transforms a caterpillar into a butterfly, that is god. the power that teaches our cells to heal after a papercut, that is god. the power that spins the earth and holds the universe together, that is god.

 

that is a brief, and incomplete picture of one aspect of god, which has no form, which is a pure state of consciousness and potential and self-awareness.

 

yet there is another aspect to god - in fact there are countless many more - but i will tell you just one to illustrate the relationship between god and humans. and it concerns albert einstein, who, as a fellow science fan, i'm sure you will know about too.

 

when einstein formulated the theory of relativity, he discovered that everything is energy. energy is vibration and science has shown us that there are many different levels of vibration. e.g. we know there is visible light and there are also many types of light rays that our eyes cannot see because they vibrate outside the visible frequency. so what einstein showed is that the universe is a continuum of energy frequencies, of which humans can only detect a narrow range.

 

this world view is what people have faith have been saying for millennia - that there are other things in the universe, just as real as the things we can see, that we can't detect with our physical senses. and since this is a bona fide scientific discovery, it's nice to know religious people weren't barking mad all along. we just knew what einstein discovered, before he discovered it.

 

this rather long ramble is leading to me making this rather short point: god is energy and energy is everything, therefore god is everything. humans are part of everything, therefore humans are part of god. god is not separate from human beings. we are one and the same thing.

 

all of which has very little to do with religion. religion is a man-made invention because human beings cannot permanently escape the knowledge they are connected to god so they look for ways to express that connection. however religion tends to humanise god and see god as separate from people. this in an illusion. god isn't separate and god doesn't have human qualities. therefore god doesn't need to be worshipped, god doesn't punish people, god doesn't create suffering. WE think god needs to be worshipped, WE think we are separate from god, WE create humankind's suffering.

 

i could write another 18,000 words on those last four words alone, but i'll let you off.

 

Why did people write the bible, who told them what to write? God?

 

people wrote the bible because they believed they had been inspired to do it by a higher power. no one told them what to write in so many words, they wrote down their understanding of god according to their own level of consciousness and according to what they thought they were being inspired to write.

 

Why is this man Jesus Christ so important? Is god his father?

 

christians think jesus was the only son of god and that he died so they could go to heaven to be with god for all eternity. i personally don't believe this was jesus' message at all. i believe jesus was a supreme example of how to transcend human limitation and seek to raise all people, who have forgotten their true spiritual lineage, to a knowledge of god their father.

 

If he is his father then how come god has a human son?

 

god has lots of human children. you are one of them. 'how come he has a human son?' is a question that supposes there is a difference between what is human and what is of god. this difference is an illusion. the only difference between jesus and you or me (other than the beard) is that jesus realised and fully embraced his position as a human extension of the divine, and we don't.

 

Why is his son Jewish, but the religion is not Judaism?

 

jesus was born in palestine into a jewish household. he rejected enough judaism to fall foul of the jewish authorities, who crucified him for basically telling them what i've told you in this post - that the kingdom of god is WITHIN, not without, and that no amount of following a worldy religion will reuinte you with god. the ONLY way to reunite with god is to realise you were never truly parted from god because god is within you.

 

What's the purpose of churches?

 

people who go to church do so because they enjoy celebrating their ideas of god with other like-minded people. they enjoy the friendship, the fellowship and they enjoy the services which make them feel close to god.

 

What's the purpose of god?

 

i don't know how to answer that. it's like saying 'what's the purpose of a rose?'.

 

god doesn't have a purpose - god is the purpose.

[quankanne]

the whole reason why the Bible exists is because man wanted to describe and explain the spiritual journey they went through as they found/met/learned of God. Their writings are inspired by their faith journey, if you will. And it's totally separate from a scientific, provable journaling of an encounter with God.

 

Why is this man Jesus Christ so important? Is god his father? If he is his father then how come god has a human son?

 

because he came to fulfill the Old Testament and to show us how to have a relationship with his father, who loves us unconditionally. He's also so important to Christians because he paid the ultimate price (death) so that spiritually, we would live forever with God. You know the saying, "the wages of sin are death"? it doesn't refer to physical death, but spiritual death. When we sin we break the bond we have with God.

 

Why is his son Jewish, but the religion is not Judaism?

 

according to the Old Testament (Torah), the Jews are the chosen people. Think of Moses being chosen to spread the word that there is only one, true God. Think of Noah, who put his faith in what God said and built that ark so that when the rains came, the world would still have creatures to populate it. Abraham and Isaac were chosen because of their strong faith in God. I think it follows that Jesus was born of a virgin of Jewish descent because it keeps in line with their promise of being the chosen people.

 

And what you called "practice religion" has nothing to do with celebrating holidays.

 

despite all the secular trappings of Easter and Christmas, their whole basis is spiritual. We practice our faith when we gather for Mass or for services that give homage and adoration to God, to Jesus and to the Holy Spirit.

 

in my culture (Catholic), we also observe holy days and feast days to remind us of our relationship with God. So, in all honesty, people practice their religion during the holiday season, though it gets lost in the secularism of said holidays.

[pureinheart]

 

I'd like to hear what GOD is to you guys and how you explain the connection between the mighty power and the details related to religion. Why did people write the bible, who told them what to write? God? Why is this man Jesus Christ so important? Is god his father? If he is his father then how come god has a human son? Why is his son Jewish, but the religion is not Judaism? What's the purpose of churches? What's the purpose of god?

 

 

Hey RP....For me it isn't as much about what He means to me, it's about what I mean to Him, being aware of what He does for me all of the time and I do not deserve it.

 

Man can't answer these questions the way God can. People have a tendancy to complicate things....look at the world today. God/Jesus/Holy Spirit are actually quite simple....our minds cannot comprehend the simplicity.....certain things just cannot be answered, they are mysteries.

 

I have studied the Bible, other peoples writings, that I know are on track for many years now, and I still have more questions than answers....but I know that I know where I'm going when I leave this earth.

 

I would really like to say that "I know God", but that would be quite arrogant as the true, divine perfection of God is way too high for my human comprehension. I do have an incredible relationship with Him and have seen first hand the miracles. I have seen the third heaven, which is where the Apostle John was taken in the Spirit to write the Book of Revelation.

 

I can tell you for a fact the God of Abraham, Moses, Elijiah, Jacob, David, Isahiah, Jerimiah...ect... is very real, and is the only true God....BUT you have to discover these things for yourself....

 

If you really want the answers to the many questions ask God to reveal Himself to you and be sincere about it.

[Guest]

The reality is that religion and faith are primitive cop-outs driven by many people's inability to cope with existential uncertainties. Either you're awake to this realization, or you're blind to it. It may "feel" real, but that proves nothing except for a subjective experience that says nothing about objective existential reality.

 

There are a select few people out there who are able to embrace the uncertainties of existence and meaning, no matter how terrifying, and yet go on with their lives. These people are in fact superior to those who cling to childish rationalizations and fantasies, pledging allegiance to imaginary friends and wishful concepts of an orderly universe.

 

There may be some organizing higher being/purpose to it all, but anyone who claims to know what that is, or even that such a being/purpose exists at all, is lying to themselves on a continuous basis. The existing world religions are so transparently anthropomorphic and ingroup-centric as to announce their absurdity to anyone who is not overwhelmed by existential fear. Very few people can stand tall in face of that fear without covering it up in the costume of faith/religion.

 

This stark reality likely is offensive to those who strongly cling to faith, as the terror against which they defend leads to an irrational emotional response. There's no room for actual, critical thought - only emotion and defenses such as rationalization and denial come into play.

 

It's not easy at all for those who do get it. They must live their lives surrounded by ignorance, in a world where national, community, and family policies are strongly based on shared delusions about the prevailing imaginary friends. There is the desperation to get others to live based only on what we know, and not on our beliefs about what we are incapable of knowing. The very arguments that any divine entity is beyond human comprehension are in fact arguments that every tenet of that religion is uncertain.

 

Yet, the vast majority of people are constitutionally incapable of recognizing this. It's too frightening. That's where the difficulty comes for those who get it. What good is it to enlighten people and strip their security blankets, when it will only leave them cold and frightened. Some people do need other primitive defenses and foregone conclusions in order to function. Thus, the absence of faith/religion may be as deadly to many people as the absence of oxygen.

[primed7]

My God would be wrong if people like yourself didn't exist. So I guess I'm grateful in that respect.

 

The reality is that religion and faith are primitive cop-outs driven by many people's inability to cope with existential uncertainties. Either you're awake to this realization, or you're blind to it. It may "feel" real, but that proves nothing except for a subjective experience that says nothing about objective existential reality.

 

There are a select few people out there who are able to embrace the uncertainties of existence and meaning, no matter how terrifying, and yet go on with their lives. These people are in fact superior to those who cling to childish rationalizations and fantasies, pledging allegiance to imaginary friends and wishful concepts of an orderly universe.

 

There may be some organizing higher being/purpose to it all, but anyone who claims to know what that is, or even that such a being/purpose exists at all, is lying to themselves on a continuous basis. The existing world religions are so transparently anthropomorphic and ingroup-centric as to announce their absurdity to anyone who is not overwhelmed by existential fear. Very few people can stand tall in face of that fear without covering it up in the costume of faith/religion.

 

This stark reality likely is offensive to those who strongly cling to faith, as the terror against which they defend leads to an irrational emotional response. There's no room for actual, critical thought - only emotion and defenses such as rationalization and denial come into play.

 

It's not easy at all for those who do get it. They must live their lives surrounded by ignorance, in a world where national, community, and family policies are strongly based on shared delusions about the prevailing imaginary friends. There is the desperation to get others to live based only on what we know, and not on our beliefs about what we are incapable of knowing. The very arguments that any divine entity is beyond human comprehension are in fact arguments that every tenet of that religion is uncertain.

 

Yet, the vast majority of people are constitutionally incapable of recognizing this. It's too frightening. That's where the difficulty comes for those who get it. What good is it to enlighten people and strip their security blankets, when it will only leave them cold and frightened. Some people do need other primitive defenses and foregone conclusions in order to function. Thus, the absence of faith/religion may be as deadly to many people as the absence of oxygen.

[Moose]

The reality is that religion and faith are primitive cop-outs driven by many people's inability to cope with existential uncertainties. Either you're awake to this realization, or you're blind to it. It may "feel" real, but that proves nothing except for a subjective experience that says nothing about objective existential reality.

 

There are a select few people out there who are able to embrace the uncertainties of existence and meaning, no matter how terrifying, and yet go on with their lives. These people are in fact superior to those who cling to childish rationalizations and fantasies, pledging allegiance to imaginary friends and wishful concepts of an orderly universe.

 

There may be some organizing higher being/purpose to it all, but anyone who claims to know what that is, or even that such a being/purpose exists at all, is lying to themselves on a continuous basis. The existing world religions are so transparently anthropomorphic and ingroup-centric as to announce their absurdity to anyone who is not overwhelmed by existential fear. Very few people can stand tall in face of that fear without covering it up in the costume of faith/religion.

 

This stark reality likely is offensive to those who strongly cling to faith, as the terror against which they defend leads to an irrational emotional response. There's no room for actual, critical thought - only emotion and defenses such as rationalization and denial come into play.

 

It's not easy at all for those who do get it. They must live their lives surrounded by ignorance, in a world where national, community, and family policies are strongly based on shared delusions about the prevailing imaginary friends. There is the desperation to get others to live based only on what we know, and not on our beliefs about what we are incapable of knowing. The very arguments that any divine entity is beyond human comprehension are in fact arguments that every tenet of that religion is uncertain.

 

Yet, the vast majority of people are constitutionally incapable of recognizing this. It's too frightening. That's where the difficulty comes for those who get it. What good is it to enlighten people and strip their security blankets, when it will only leave them cold and frightened. Some people do need other primitive defenses and foregone conclusions in order to function. Thus, the absence of faith/religion may be as deadly to many people as the absence of oxygen.

And just where did you copy this from??

 

This is definitely a canned response from someone other than yourself, I think I might've even read it somewhere!!

[Guest]

Moose, I didn't copy it from anywhere. What I posted is informed by too many authors to mention. I just typed what came to mind over the course of about 10-15 minutes.

[RecordProducer]

god is a higher form of consciousness. this consciousness (or intelligence if you prefer) is the creator of this universe. so in one sense, god is a power, god is a will to create. god is the driving force behind all creation. the power that moves a flower to open, that is god. the power that transforms a caterpillar into a butterfly, that is god. the power that teaches our cells to heal after a papercut, that is god. the power that spins the earth and holds the universe together, that is god...

 

...when einstein formulated the theory of relativity, he discovered that everything is energy.

So what I call Nature and Universe, Einstein calls Energy, some people call it God, other people call it Power. You said Jesus was inspired by god... In that case Hitler was inspired by the Devil. If you accept that god exists and inspires then you must accpet that The devil exists, too. Because good and evil do exist in people. Creation is not the only thing that takes place in the universe; destruction happens, too!

 

 

 

in my culture (Catholic), we also observe holy days and feast days to remind us of our relationship with God.

I understand that. I just said that because I will gather with my in-laws with huge reluctance to sit at the same table with them and without any religious idea in mind, doesn't make me religious. If I were single, I wouldn't give a damn about any holidays. I don't like the whole classifying of people and dividing them into groups. If the Arabs didn't think of themselves as Arabs or Muslims, but as individuals instead, no one would be able to make them kill innocent people in the name of Alah.

 

But religions are a consequence of what human nature hides inside. They don't cause people to act in a certain way; people hide behind their religions to release their feelings. However, there is a lot of brain-washing going on. In the Islamic religion, people are encouraged to NOT be educated, especially women. In that way they make sure that they transform people into animals and control them. Religions have acquired power that allows them to change the world. And that power is held by people, not gods.

 

The rules opposed to Christianity at first, but then they realized that it woill keep their slaves and servants quiet and they went along with the idea of God. People have had religion as an excuse to do mass killing too many times in the history of humanity. But not much creation and constructioveness has been done in the name of god. People do good things on the invidividual level; couples make babies, scientists are driven to explore the universe, engineers build, artists create... Can you classify these groups? Scientists, engineers, artists, lovers... but not Jews, Christians, Arabs, Germans, Canadians, blacks or whites.

 

People destroy things on the mass level as much as on the individual. So much evil has been done by a whole nation or religion. Often one person is able to inject his evil ideas into a whole nation. That's so scary. I don't blame religions for everything, but I think they are helping the evil to be realized.

 

Man can't answer these questions the way God can.

Obviously no one can adn you have a problem with it. You think somebody must know the answer. Because YOU with your small human mind can't understand something, you're trying to simplify it and make it logical and acceptable. I, with my small human mind, am perfectly OK with the fact that I don't get it. I'll never have the answers. But you are making up the answers.

 

Of course, there is somethign that makes the earth spin. I know I am not spinning it. And I know that I don't know WHY it's spining. The nanswer IS somewhere out there, but I don't have it. I am just a cockroach on this earth and nobody cares to give the answers to me. So how do I deal with my curiousity and ignorance? I am making up an answer that clrifies everything to me: There must be something and I'll call it "god." Yes, everything is clear to me now. But I have to make up a whole story related to god, so I'll make up a cheap story and pretend that it explains all the details that I don't know.

 

The reality is that religion and faith are primitive cop-outs driven by many people's inability to cope with existential uncertainties. Either you're awake to this realization, or you're blind to it.

A friend of mine who studies psychology at college told me that they defined religion as a necessity to create an order in a huge chaos. People want to establish formulas, rules, and patterns so that they know what to expect and how and why everything happens.

[RecordProducer]

Yet, the vast majority of people are constitutionally incapable of recognizing this. It's too frightening. That's where the difficulty comes for those who get it. What good is it to enlighten people and strip their security blankets, when it will only leave them cold and frightened. Some people do need other primitive defenses and foregone conclusions in order to function. Thus, the absence of faith/religion may be as deadly to many people as the absence of oxygen.

Yes, Guest, you said it so well. And the sad part is, I think you're one of LS' members, but you're afraid to tell us who you are. You are afraid to tell us your screen name, not to mention your real name to the people who surround you.

 

You even have to defend yourself about where you copied your post from!

[Guestola]

The very arguments that any divine entity is beyond human comprehension are in fact arguments that every tenet of that religion is uncertain.

 

Actually not, since anyone with a shred of sense should understand that 'divine entity' and 'religion' are not the same things.

 

There are many many things unfathomable to the human brain. To state otherwise is to be ignorant of the vast amount of knowledge that humans havent even begun to assimilate.

 

But that's ok. The people who insisted the sun revolved around the earth were as utterly certain that humans knew everything knowable as you are. And as utterly wrong.