if you can't get a girlfriend...this is the bottom line...

[FleshNBones]

I still stand by what I say : You want to remain focused on what you want but still you should be able to do the things that might or might not lead to a chance meeting .

I have news for you. The chance meeting is often orchestrated.

Which guy do you think we would pick ? The casual guy sitting at the bar and has a relaxed look on his face ? Or the guy who eyes every chick licking his lips and getting the courage to approach her ?

Let her NOTICE you by not being an obnoxious in your face guy but rather the guy who remains cool at the end of the bar.

Thats just my take because there is nothing MORE irratating than a man hitting on you that is a total bore , or drunk , or lacks any confidance.

I think it has a lot more to do with looks, but still, you aren't leaving many options for guys that don't drink.

I think the bar scene is especially hard, if not impossible, for the average guy that travels alone.

 

If looks are all that a woman really has when making her picks, then her decision will be purely based on looks.

 

I think your idea of confidence is what I call scripted and rehearsed.

[Yamaha]

In a bar situation looks plays a very important part in attracting a women. If you are uncomfortable in approaching women and don't have the confidence to be smooth and charming then it is not a good avenue for you.

 

Women can be picky in choosing a man for sex because they get many, many more offers than men. If you got hit on 20 tiimes a day and you know you will have many choices then you take you time and pick the guy you want to be with. It is the way of dating. Men pursue and women pick.

 

I don't believe in the game playing and acting in such a way to improve your chances if it makes you become something your not. You don't want to look desperate but if your looking for a women then your going to pay them attention and women know this means sex. Your not out there just to find friends. Some women ( and men ) are just shallow and stuck up. If they brush you off then you never had a chance with them anyway. You could be at the bar and be funny and charming and they might talk to you and like you as a friend but your not going to get sex.

 

Women do not want to tell men that a guys looks tells them if he will be a friend or date material. They want you to believe that you just need to refine your approach and not act deperate. This is why the nice guys many times turn into jerks because they get tired of being told this line so to protect their heart they turn into a non-caring dogs that women complain about so often.

 

I really don't have an answer for you. It really is a numbers game and you just have to keep playing or be happy with your hand ( or a escort gal ). I would stay clear of the women you know won't give you any play and center on the average gals who may be looking for a good man as well.

[FleshNBones]

Women do not want to tell men that a guys looks tells them if he will be a friend or date material. They want you to believe that you just need to refine your approach and not act deperate. This is why the nice guys many times turn into jerks because they get tired of being told this line so to protect their heart they turn into a non-caring dogs that women complain about so often.

So they not only lie to you, they also send you on a wild goose chase.

I guess the good guy turned bad is really a poor sap who got burned out.

I really don't have an answer for you. It really is a numbers game and you just have to keep playing or be happy with your hand ( or a escort gal ). I would stay clear of the women you know won't give you any play and center on the average gals who may be looking for a good man as well.

Honesty is the best policy or at least on the forum.

Unfortunately, a lot of the average gals are only willing to court with the tall dark handsome type. The heavier gals are willing to "settle" at least until they lose some weight. The rescuees won't need you anymore once you solve their problems. The leeches will only hang on while you still have blood. Mysery likes company, but do you really want to be in that situation.

The problem with rejection and failure is the more you experience, the more they will read into it making a difficult situation more difficult.

[LIGHT]

The problem with rejection and failure is the more you experience, the more they will read into it making a difficult situation more difficult.

 

And it is hard to be confident if you have never known sucess. It is only by succeding that we learn what works for us but if you always fail how can you learn. I have tried going in bars and not trying without sucess. I have tried going in bars and trying without sucess, wasted hundreads on 4 years of subscriptions to internet datign sites without sucess and have in recent weeks tried apporaching several girls only to find they prefer my freinds and actually say as much,

[Green]

Look Im very good looking and maybe thats why I dont have so much trouble with the ladies. What I do know is that if I switched bodies with a short fat bald guy I think I could still get women... Come on guys have some fricken confidence, have fun, Go for the girls you have the hots for. I feel like I should teach a class or something on getting women Id have to charge alot but it would be easy as heck since getting girls isnt that hard. Talking to girls is easy just make some jokes, act like your listening and then say something lets go back to my place pow they'll be jumping ur bones on the train ride home

[dropdeadlegs]

Look Im very good looking and maybe thats why I dont have so much trouble with the ladies. What I do know is that if I switched bodies with a short fat bald guy I think I could still get women... Come on guys have some fricken confidence, have fun, Go for the girls you have the hots for. I feel like I should teach a class or something on getting women Id have to charge alot but it would be easy as heck since getting girls isnt that hard. Talking to girls is easy just make some jokes, act like your listening and then say something lets go back to my place pow they'll be jumping ur bones on the train ride home

KMT is in his 20's, I am in my 40's, yet we agree in many ways.

 

Perception and attitude are very much a part of the boy gets girl equation.

 

I say this from the perspective that I DON'T go for the best looking guys. I tend to stray from them, but I always have. I go for the guy who looks like he is having fun. The guy who is laughing, The guy who seems to be happy in general. Many times he is in a group of guys. But not always.

 

Looks don't portray happiness, but laughter does.

[wergo]

Talking to girls is easy just make some jokes, act like your listening and then say something lets go back to my place pow they'll be jumping ur bones on the train ride home

 

Talking to girls is easy. Just make some jokes, act like you're listening and then say something like "let's go back to my place." Pow - they'll be telling you they already have a boyfriend or they really like your friend better or they're really busy right now or you're just not their type.

 

Perception is informed by experience. When you have a few decades of rejection under your belt, confidence is only another form of denial.

[LIGHT]

KMT is in his 20's, I am in my 40's, yet we agree in many ways.

 

Perception and attitude are very much a part of the boy gets girl equation.

 

I say this from the perspective that I DON'T go for the best looking guys. I tend to stray from them, but I always have. I go for the guy who looks like he is having fun. The guy who is laughing, The guy who seems to be happy in general. Many times he is in a group of guys. But not always.

 

Looks don't portray happiness, but laughter does.

 

I always do go for the girls i like. I have no problems in talking to them, maeking them laught and always get told im a good laught a nice guy but your not my type or i fancy your freind.

 

I have freinds who sit in the corner and hardly talk but they get the girls because they have the looks. I on the other hand do not and find while i get on with these girls and many of them like my company to the point that they want to see me socially but only as freinds. I beleive that a good personality is not enought, with it you will always have freinds but without looks you will not have a partner.

 

As for give it a go relax i have and i do but i have been turned down continusly on the last 70 or so girls i have chatted up, am 40 and have been single for 17 years.

[Mary3]

I have news for you. The chance meeting is often orchestrated.

I think it has a lot more to do with looks, but still, you aren't leaving many options for guys that don't drink.

I think the bar scene is especially hard, if not impossible, for the average guy that travels alone.

 

If looks are all that a woman really has when making her picks, then her decision will be purely based on looks.

 

I think your idea of confidence is what I call scripted and rehearsed.

 

I don't think sitting at a bar and enjoying your drink is scripted and rehearsed.

 

You are either at a bar to enjoy being with friends and if solo just enjoying your drink and the music.

 

Scripted and rehearsed are all the pick up lines guys use ( which by the way are lame ). If you want to talk to a girl just say " Hi I'm John " . All the other stuff you hear like *cheesy lines* to get her attention are just dumb. We have heard them all before. ...

 

And if a chick is looking at you for longer than 5 seconds chances are she is interested so just smile back and then make your move . Offer to buy her a drink and see where that takes you.

 

Something pretty simple is just too complicated for some...

[wergo]

If you want to talk to a girl just say " Hi I'm John " . All the other stuff you hear like *cheesy lines* to get her attention are just dumb. We have heard them all before. ...

 

And if a chick is looking at you for longer than 5 seconds chances are she is interested so just smile back and then make your move . Offer to buy her a drink and see where that takes you.

 

Something pretty simple is just too complicated for some...

 

But just saying "Hi, I'm -----" is only going to get her attention. You STILL have to say something after that, especially if she's giving a "do I know you?" look.

 

And you have to do SOMETHING if chicks never look at you for longer than 5 seconds. The rest of us have to be proactive.

 

It's complicated for those of us the women don't automatically find attractive. If we keep it simple, we spend the rest of our lives alone.

[FleshNBones]

I don't think sitting at a bar and enjoying your drink is scripted and rehearsed.

Let's call it scripted and rehearsed in a convincing way.

You are either at a bar to enjoy being with friends and if solo just enjoying your drink and the music.

I don't drink, and my friends are married and have kids.

Scripted and rehearsed are all the pick up lines guys use ( which by the way are lame ). If you want to talk to a girl just say " Hi I'm John " . All the other stuff you hear like *cheesy lines* to get her attention are just dumb. We have heard them all before. ...

Pick up lines are the lazy guy's approach. I think you have a problem with the lack of effort.

And if a chick is looking at you for longer than 5 seconds chances are she is interested so just smile back and then make your move . Offer to buy her a drink and see where that takes you.

I have seen the look of revulsion.

Something pretty simple is just too complicated for some...

I think those methods only work for guys who meet the unspoken requirements.

The local priest is telling me to enter the priesthood if I don't pair up before the age of 40. Maybe the collar will improve my chances with the ladies.

[Green]

Listen to you ur beaten. You want to get a girl listen to what they say, learn to enjoy the hunt. Personaly I even enjoy getting rejected by the girls. Enjoy it laugh about it, girls love a guy who can laugh at things. Girls love my laugh. Now darnet stop arguing back every time some one tells you how its done and get out there and start trying. The bottom line is if you can find a girlfriend you probably dont want one or arnt willing to do what it takes to woo the ladies. You cant go out there bitter at the dating scene. You dont have to go to a bar, you can go to corvette clubs or book stores or coffee places, gyms singles cruises work, what ever I mean if you were a man in a maximum security prison sadly enough there would still be a way for you to meet women, I mean I think mr helter skelter himself Manson mascot fathered a child while on death row... Your out there your in the world you may not be the best looking guys but hell it aint the best looking girls that give you a boner iether so get out there and get yourself some little hottie and stop your complaining. remember be agressive dont take no for an answer*at least not right off the bat* and above all else if rejected smile it off as though it were nothing because in all reality it is nothing its a person who you knew nothing about rejecting you a person she knew nothing about... You will get a girl, and it will be like u always could

[Mary3]

Listen to you ur beaten. You want to get a girl listen to what they say, learn to enjoy the hunt. Personaly I even enjoy getting rejected by the girls. Enjoy it laugh about it, girls love a guy who can laugh at things. Girls love my laugh. Now darnet stop arguing back every time some one tells you how its done and get out there and start trying. The bottom line is if you can find a girlfriend you probably dont want one or arnt willing to do what it takes to woo the ladies. You cant go out there bitter at the dating scene. You dont have to go to a bar, you can go to corvette clubs or book stores or coffee places, gyms singles cruises work, what ever I mean if you were a man in a maximum security prison sadly enough there would still be a way for you to meet women, I mean I think mr helter skelter himself Manson mascot fathered a child while on death row... Your out there your in the world you may not be the best looking guys but hell it aint the best looking girls that give you a boner iether so get out there and get yourself some little hottie and stop your complaining. remember be agressive dont take no for an answer*at least not right off the bat* and above all else if rejected smile it off as though it were nothing because in all reality it is nothing its a person who you knew nothing about rejecting you a person she knew nothing about... You will get a girl, and it will be like u always could

 

I loved this post !

[LIGHT]

Listen to you ur beaten. You want to get a girl listen to what they say, learn to enjoy the hunt. Personaly I even enjoy getting rejected by the girls. Enjoy it laugh about it, girls love a guy who can laugh at things. Girls love my laugh. Now darnet stop arguing back every time some one tells you how its done and get out there and start trying. The bottom line is if you can find a girlfriend you probably dont want one or arnt willing to do what it takes to woo the ladies. You cant go out there bitter at the dating scene. You dont have to go to a bar, you can go to corvette clubs or book stores or coffee places, gyms singles cruises work, what ever I mean if you were a man in a maximum security prison sadly enough there would still be a way for you to meet women, I mean I think mr helter skelter himself Manson mascot fathered a child while on death row... Your out there your in the world you may not be the best looking guys but hell it aint the best looking girls that give you a boner iether so get out there and get yourself some little hottie and stop your complaining. remember be agressive dont take no for an answer*at least not right off the bat* and above all else if rejected smile it off as though it were nothing because in all reality it is nothing its a person who you knew nothing about rejecting you a person she knew nothing about... You will get a girl, and it will be like u always could

 

 

KMT imagine if you will that evertime you apparoach a woman, she is either in a relationship, not interested in you in a romantic way or attracted to your freinds and that every time you try to arrange a date that you get rejected without exception and you will hav some idea of where barebones and me are coming from. I for one have had my last 70 or so advances rejected either though i constantly approach women and have a laught with them. I have freinds on te other hand who sit in the corner of the room, hardly speak, are scrufy dressed and have woman approaching them all the time.

 

I have a large group of freinds which includes women. None of my freinds understand why i get rejected, they all tell me that i am very unlucky and all tell me that i am freindly outgoing and have a lot going for me although they all say i am not there type and can not name any women they know who consider me to be boyfreind materail.

 

I will continue to enjoy myself and the company of my freinds and i will continue to try but honestly beleiev that looks are everything in attracting a partner and personality is everything to keeping a partner.

 

I can understand barebones sentimeents and it is easy to become demorisiled when you constantly fail and other around you suceed. The question of course is why and that i do not know te anwer to

[EC]

for about 5 years now I've been trying to get a girlfriend...I learned all what a person needs to get one...took advice from soo many people...worked on making myself look good through fashion..sports etc... and I was even very brave to attempt asking some girls out ...unfortunately it hasn't been working for me...I used to think that it is a special "Skill you need" and that through surfing the webs and reading books you could actually acquire that "skill"...but now I noticed it's not like that...I asked many guys who have girlfriends and successful with girls on what to do...they all said very basic things simpler than what i found out from sites and books....for example..to get a girls phone number..just say " can I have ur phone number?"....and I used to think there was a magical harry potter sentence that could get any girls phone number....

 

after thinking alot..I found out that it's not a skill...it's actually inhereted...believe me if a girl likes you she will be dying to give you her phone number...and her dream would be you asking for her number...it's something you got or dont got...if youre naturally good looking-fun...you can get any girls phone number....you could go out with any girl...you could kiss any girl...

 

imagine this scenario....ur a guy or a girl....and theres this person whos not at all good looking...lame...without him even getting near you...you'd wanna flee as fast as possible...cuz you dont wanna be around that person...if he sits by you and asks you for your phone number...you wouldnt give it to im you'd probably leave because you're actually "scared to be with that person".... and that's the basis of (scaring them off)........now imagine the girl of your dreams coming up to you and asking you for something...would you runaway ? you wouldnt be a bit scared

 

so when you see a guy getting all the girls and having a good life and you're all jealous...just know that life gave him "that thing" and didn't give it to you...and when somebody tells you to "be yourself" don't be yourself because "yourself" isn't always that great...

 

now my case...I seriously can't get a girlfriend..cuz I dont got it..I started to accept this fact...the fact that I only live once and that thing I won't experience no matter how hard I try...the fact that I won't know how it feels like to get a girl I like for atleast once...

 

maybe I'm too pessimistic...but its true...when I walk in the street....I don't know....seeing all thse people together....I don't know do I feel jealous or do I wish them happiness....

 

 

WOW! I haven't read the other posts but after reading this I am in shock. I think your so wrong!

 

My first love was the ugliest thing ever. lol But he made me LAUGH! and was sweet and intelligent and THOSE things won me over.

 

It IS all about being yourself and finding someone who will LIKE for who YOU are!! And it is possible. But with that attitude you will get nowhere.

 

Maybe you have just tried with the wrong girls? One thing I learned is that What you Want isn't always what you NEED and what You NEED can become what You WANTED all along if you just let it.

 

Maybe that girl you think is the girl of your dreams is not what you think at all.

 

Don't give up and don't doubt yourself. Its not all about looks I promise.

[LIGHT]

WOW! I haven't read the other posts but after reading this I am in shock. I think your so wrong!

 

My first love was the ugliest thing ever. lol But he made me LAUGH! and was sweet and intelligent and THOSE things won me over.

 

It IS all about being yourself and finding someone who will LIKE for who YOU are!! And it is possible. But with that attitude you will get nowhere.

 

Maybe you have just tried with the wrong girls? One thing I learned is that What you Want isn't always what you NEED and what You NEED can become what You WANTED all along if you just let it.

 

Maybe that girl you think is the girl of your dreams is not what you think at all.

 

Don't give up and don't doubt yourself. Its not all about looks I promise.

 

I suggest you read the other posts, you will find there is a common theme. I know people with no personality who get girls because they have the looks, now admitedly they dont keep them but they would say they get want they want so i am afraid that image is everything at least in initial attraction. If you aint got it your out of luck

[EC]

I suggest you read the other posts, you will find there is a common theme. I know people with no personality who get girls because they have the looks, now admitedly they dont keep them but they would say they get want they want so i am afraid that image is everything at least in initial attraction. If you aint got it your out of luck

 

Did you miss the part about my first love being super ugly lol ??

 

You want the girl that will get past the look thing if she is really into you. A girl thats will like you for you, will find you attractive.

 

If your looking for that superficial girl that is only interested in looks and no personality then good luck. You will be miserable forever.

[LIGHT]

Did you miss the part about my first love being super ugly lol ??

 

You want the girl that will get past the look thing if she is really into you. A girl thats will like you for you, will find you attractive.

 

If your looking for that superficial girl that is only interested in looks and no personality then good luck. You will be miserable forever.

 

I have girls that like me for me and none of them find me attractive, they are freinds and some of them are very close freinds that i have known for a long time. Unless there is attarction a good personality and a sence of humour will only get you freinds and dont get me wrong freinds are a good thing. I am not looking for a superficial girl frind but i find that there are lot of superficial girls around especially where i live which has a male to female ratio of 60:40 with most bars containing single men or couples. Perhaps with such choice the females can afford to be more fussy.

 

I totaly disagree with your coments and have found in my experience that without looks you will never get a date irespective of how popular a person you are, you will just have many freinds. I can be the life and sole of the party but i loose out to freinds who sit quitly in the corner and do not make an effort with there appearance and are not very sociall but they are good looking. Many a time my freinds girlfriends have said to me i wish my boyfreind had your personality......... dosent that say it all

[EC]

I think you like this sulking because with that attitude you WILL get nowhere!

 

The point I am trying to make is the the RIGHT girl for YOU will find YOU attractive whether you believe you are attractive or not. Looks are not everything. If you constantly compare yourself and keep telling yourself that since you are not attractive that you wont get a gf then thats how it will be. You def need to CHANGE your perspective on things. You are only deciding to look at the negative examples and saying aha! you see Im right! If thats the way you want it then so be it. Be single for the rest of your life.

 

TONS of my friends who range in looks from a 7-10 have gone out with not so attractive guys because of their personalities. Because they had a good job, made them laugh, took care of them, attended to their needs. To one person you may not be attractive but to another you can be Brad Pitt.

[dropdeadlegs]

Okay, I'm no beauty queen, but men and women alike seem to find me attractive, so maybe I can't understand what some of you are going through. I'm going to take another approach since many keep coming back to looks being a very important factor in finding a quality partner. Lets say I agree that looks are the number one all important piece of the puzzle.

 

Appearance is more than being well groomed and dressing nicely. IMO the population consists of 10% naturally beautiful/handsome people, 80% of those with average looks, and 10% of those with unattractive features. Those in the 80% have options that can make them appear more, or less, attractive.

 

We can't do much about height, but almost every other physical aspect of us is changeable to a certain degree. Even height can be manipulated by shoe height and clothing choices which give the optical illusion or more or less height. If you are overweight or squishy, lose weight and/or firm up. If you are underweight/skinny, bulk up with additional protein calories and weights. Get a haircut that is flattering to your facial structure, add some highlights or remove some gray. Don't keep the same old hair you've had since you were in high school, or since you were six. If there is something about your appearance that you see as unflattering, consider some plastic surgery. Many surgeons give free consultations and offer payment plans. Change your eye color with contact lenses even if you don't need them for corrected vision purposes. Consult a stylist about clothing that will hide your flaws and play up your best physical features. If you are pasty white, get a healthy tan. Shave that facial hair or grow some.

 

There are so many aspects to physical appearance that I have surely missed many other options. I see these fairly nerdy looking people become bombshells/studs with just a little guidance on TV all the time. With photos or a personal viewing, I think I could make just about anyone more attractive.

 

Certain people do have sex appeal that not all people exude, but there is room for improvement in all of us, and much of that appeal is achievable.

[LIGHT]

Okay, I'm no beauty queen, but men and women alike seem to find me attractive, so maybe I can't understand what some of you are going through. I'm going to take another approach since many keep coming back to looks being a very important factor in finding a quality partner. Lets say I agree that looks are the number one all important piece of the puzzle.

 

Appearance is more than being well groomed and dressing nicely. IMO the population consists of 10% naturally beautiful/handsome people, 80% of those with average looks, and 10% of those with unattractive features. Those in the 80% have options that can make them appear more, or less, attractive.

 

We can't do much about height, but almost every other physical aspect of us is changeable to a certain degree. Even height can be manipulated by shoe height and clothing choices which give the optical illusion or more or less height. If you are overweight or squishy, lose weight and/or firm up. If you are underweight/skinny, bulk up with additional protein calories and weights. Get a haircut that is flattering to your facial structure, add some highlights or remove some gray. Don't keep the same old hair you've had since you were in high school, or since you were six. If there is something about your appearance that you see as unflattering, consider some plastic surgery. Many surgeons give free consultations and offer payment plans. Change your eye color with contact lenses even if you don't need them for corrected vision purposes. Consult a stylist about clothing that will hide your flaws and play up your best physical features. If you are pasty white, get a healthy tan. Shave that facial hair or grow some.

 

There are so many aspects to physical appearance that I have surely missed many other options. I see these fairly nerdy looking people become bombshells/studs with just a little guidance on TV all the time. With photos or a personal viewing, I think I could make just about anyone more attractive.

 

Certain people do have sex appeal that not all people exude, but there is room for improvement in all of us, and much of that appeal is achievable.

 

 

I agree there is a lot here that can be done and a lot of good advise in your post. I have tried that and have had my female freinds attempt an image makeover with designer clothes etc to no avail. I have a good job, dress smartly and perhaps stand out form my freinds who were faded and often ripped clothes and am a very outgoing indiviual but despite this have now been single for 17 years and have never had a girl i have approached agree to go on a date so if my posts seem a little negitive i only speak as i have found my experiences in life.

 

Any other advise would be appreciated as i am out of ideas and so are my freinds

[Green]

First off Im just curios do you make 70k or above. Do you own your own house or apartment? Please be as descriptive as you can what is your job. What do you do for fun, are you a big sci fi fan, play sports, video games, art... Who is this man light. Look in my oppinion if you sudenly transformed me into a short, fat, bald, old man, I would still be able to get girls. Secondly look at billy bob thorton hes no looker and he got angelina jolie, and dont argue that hes famous because she had plenty of other famouse good looking guys after her. When I was in high school one of the smoothest guys with the ladies was in my opinion ugly. Look being ugly if you even are ugly is not the end all be all. You say youve been rejected by 70 girls in a row, heck 70 girls have rejected me in a row on a bad night myself and I consider myself gods gift to women. Some times 70 women reject you in a row, some times 70 women cant get enough of you. The point you have to stop arguing every point and relise and admit what a mental game the dating arena truely is, if you go in there beaten and humiliated not even trying you wont get a girl. You have to go in there saying I deserve this, I am good looking, and go get that girl. Dont wory about anoying them, stop being the friend, you cant aproach a girl all friendly thats not personality, you have to say the edgy stuff you want to say but are afraid to. Tell them you liked the dance because they had a great body, u know what ever make it up as you go along just make them feel sexy, turn them on. make them laugh, and flirt Pow. and go in for the kiss and touch them. Remember its not a date if theres no kiss.

[dropdeadlegs]

I agree there is a lot here that can be done and a lot of good advise in your post. I have tried that and have had my female freinds attempt an image makeover with designer clothes etc to no avail. I have a good job, dress smartly and perhaps stand out form my freinds who were faded and often ripped clothes and am a very outgoing indiviual but despite this have now been single for 17 years and have never had a girl i have approached agree to go on a date so if my posts seem a little negitive i only speak as i have found my experiences in life.

 

 

Any other advise would be appreciated as i am out of ideas and so are my freinds

Okay, LIGHT, desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm running out of ideas, but here's a few more.

 

Buy a Harley. They are serious chick magnets. I have seen many an unattractive man with a hot chick on a Harley. Good gas mileage is a plus in these times of high petrol costs.

 

Along the same line, Vette's, BMW's, Mercedes', and any other smooth and fast two-seater sports car has a lot of appeal for women, but these are expensive.

 

This type of attraction may draw materialistic types, and I realize I am grasping at straws at this point.

 

This hasn't been very helpful, and I'm sorry. I would really like to help you and the others here who have posted similar stories.

 

I'm still certain that in person I could make you one hot fellow! My suggestions might not feel like "you" in the beginning, but once you saw some results, you might change your mind. I wouldn't need designer clothes, just clothing well suited for your build.

[LIGHT]

First off Im just curios do you make 70k or above. Do you own your own house or apartment? Please be as descriptive as you can what is your job. What do you do for fun, are you a big sci fi fan, play sports, video games, art... Who is this man light. Look in my oppinion if you sudenly transformed me into a short, fat, bald, old man, I would still be able to get girls. Secondly look at billy bob thorton hes no looker and he got angelina jolie, and dont argue that hes famous because she had plenty of other famouse good looking guys after her. When I was in high school one of the smoothest guys with the ladies was in my opinion ugly. Look being ugly if you even are ugly is not the end all be all. You say youve been rejected by 70 girls in a row, heck 70 girls have rejected me in a row on a bad night myself and I consider myself gods gift to women. Some times 70 women reject you in a row, some times 70 women cant get enough of you. The point you have to stop arguing every point and relise and admit what a mental game the dating arena truely is, if you go in there beaten and humiliated not even trying you wont get a girl. You have to go in there saying I deserve this, I am good looking, and go get that girl. Dont wory about anoying them, stop being the friend, you cant aproach a girl all friendly thats not personality, you have to say the edgy stuff you want to say but are afraid to. Tell them you liked the dance because they had a great body, u know what ever make it up as you go along just make them feel sexy, turn them on. make them laugh, and flirt Pow. and go in for the kiss and touch them. Remember its not a date if theres no kiss.

 

I live in the UK but if i convert my wages to dollars i earn aproximatelty $70,000 or 2.5 times the average wages in my area. I own two houses and plan to buy a third next year. I run a landfill site for a lving and work on average 65 hours a week. I wear designer clothes and a rolex watch. I am 5ft 8 tall of medium build and not excesively overweight although i could loose a few pounds and have been slimer in the past. I do light excersive at home. I am 40 years old

 

I drive a saloon company car althought i have in the past had a porche and more rcently a toyota supra sports car. For fun i go to pubs and clubs with my freinds and enjoy dancing. I go to live music venues most week ends with a group of 15 to 20 mixed people including singles of both sexes and couples. I also have another group of 15 freinds that i see regulary independant of the first group. Some of my freinds have known me for over 25 years and i have 4 very close freinds, 2 males and 2 females who i could trust with my life.

 

I tend to keep very buisy and socialise 6 days a week on average generally visiting freinds in there houses or entertaining in mine in the week and going to pubs clubs and music venues at the week end engine having parties and entertaining. eg Last weekend i had a dinner party for 60 freinds. I hardly ever watch television other than a dvd with freinds and weeks can pass without me watching televsion.

 

I would be hard pushed to attempt to chat up 70 women in one night a i would be lucky to see 20single woman in one night putting aside the fact that i would not be attracted to all of them. The pubs and clubs tend to have a high proportion of single men or couples with 90 % of people in them falling in to this catagory. It is also a known fact being a naval city that 60% of the population are male which i know does not help.

 

I am outgoing very organised and tend to one of the main people in my group who organise social events and am also the person that many of my freinds tend to turn to in a crisis. I am popular and genrally confident.

 

While i make freinds easy women do not appear to see me as a potential boyfirend describing me as a good laught a great freind but not there type. I did not have my first girlfreind to i was 18 and have had 2 since then the last of which was 17 years ago. These relationships lasted 7, 12 and 19 days respectively. The woman i approach have all turned me down without exception as they are either with someone, i am not there type of they fancy my freinds. I have not to date had one woman that i have approached agree to go out on a date giving me a 100% faliure rate.

I have also tried internet dating and spent hudreads of pounds over a 4 year period on this to no avail.

 

Despite this i am a very happy indivdual and concenterate on what i am good at and enjoy a very good standard of living and a very good social life. My freinds are out of ideas and have said that i have everything going for me and have no idea why i cant meet someone.

 

By contrast my freinds have moderate sucess. Recently i met this girl in a bar, approached and chattted to her while my freind sat in the corner wathing the band and paid her no attention. We had a laught and when i went to the toilet i returned to find my friend kissing her. She appartly had approached him saying your freind is a good laught but i fancy you. This is not an untypical example and this sort of thing happend quite a lot. My freinds was scruffy dressed, lives at home with his parents and has a low paid job.

 

I do not know why i have such a problem finding a girlfreind as i have no problems makeing freinds or talking to woman and have several women who are close freinds of mine although none of them know of any single woman with all the peole they know being in realtionships. I realise from these posts that i am not alone with this problem and your help is appreciated as clearly there must be answer that is alluding me

[EC]

i dunno? do you have bad breath or something? You seem very datable to me..Theres something your not saying lol