YAHWEH vs. ALLAH

[Love Hurts]

I agree with blind_otter. It seems to me that by you saying that your way is the only way you've succumb to the same close minded thinking that the Islamic fundamentalists have.

 

God is acceptance and love, not division and abhorrence. If you actually read the Qur'an you'd know that it preaches the same thing.

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Cub,

 

 

Man is open-minded; Jesus a has one course plan.

 

2 Corinthians

Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

 

Revelation 18:4

And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.

 

1 John 2:15

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

 

1 John 2:16

For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.

 

"God is acceptance and love, not division and abhorrence" ???

 

John 15:18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

 

Why then does He prepare those that follow Him.. that they will be hated also?

[quankanne]

Aren't you saying the same thing to me? That your way is the right way?

 

actually, I believe she is saying "have respect for others by not force-feeding them your beliefs." I say stop proselytizing … only God knows what is in an individual's heart, only he can offer salvation, not some well-meaning, if misguided, individual who tries to be that agent of salvation.

[pureinheart]

Thanks Love Hurts for clarifying.....I fall so short in this area, also have a really bad cold and am dealing with some very stressful situations....so communication is even worse....((((((((((hugs to everyone))))))))))

[pureinheart]

Aren't you saying the same thing to me? That your way is the right way?

 

actually, I believe she is saying "have respect for others by not force-feeding them your beliefs." I say stop proselytizing … only God knows what is in an individual's heart, only he can offer salvation, not some well-meaning, if misguided, individual who tries to be that agent of salvation.

 

Who's forcefeeding who? This is a discussion, on the internet no less...anyone has the choice not to listen....and by the way when face to face all have the choice to walk away. Not really understanding where your coming from

[bluetuesday]

i am sad to say this, love hurts, because i am sure you are well meaning - but religious fundamentalism in any disguise is one of the most dangerous forces on the planet. you seem lovely but while you clearly know the bible inside out, you have failed to see the heart of god or the spirit of jesus' teachings.

 

let us do a little experiment. most christians believe that if they had been living in israel 2,000 years ago, they would have been among the people who recognised jesus, not among those who ignored, rejected or persecuted him. right? if you agree with the statement that YOU would have recognised jesus because you know in your heart he was the christ, please read on.

 

so let us look briefly at the people who DID reject jesus, and the reasons they did it. if you read the scriptures carefully, as you have obviously done, you will see that people rejected jesus because they took a very specific approach to religion. that approach could be described as orthodox, or traditionalist, or conservative.

 

these people (schribes and pharisees are mostly mentioned in this respect) wanted everything to conform to the existing scriptures and their interpretation of them. they were not open to anything new, and when jesus challenged their religious doctrines and practices (for example by healing a man on the sabbath), they took against him, quoted the scriptures at him and decided he wasn't the messiah, he was a very naughty boy. excuse the irreverent python refererence, i couldn't resist.

 

what i am attempting to point out, is the mindset today that says god has nothing more to say to mankind because it was all said 2,000 years ago, or that anything else added to the scriptures must be from the devil is EXACTLY the mindset that jesus came to challenge. it was not just that the jewish scriptures were incomplete. it was that the mindset which says 'leave us alone, we don't believe god has anything else to teach us' is incomplete.

 

so if jesus is god, if he is the same yesterday, today and always, do you imagine that today he would fail to challenge the mindset that he once challenge so forcefully they crucified him for it? do you believe that if he came to earth today and found people who displayed the same mindset as the scribes and pharisees, people who thought they had all the answers, he would be entirely happy with that situation?

 

if so, you are taking the exact same approach to religion as the people who persecuted jesus and accused him of blasphemy. so the odds are, had you been alive 2,00 years ago, you would not have recognised jesus as a genuine spiritual teacher who came to offer you a new approach to religion, an approach that was given by god to raise the spiritual awareness of humankind. you would more likely have seen him as a dangerous and blasphemous rebel who was working for the devil rather than doing god’s work.

 

it is sobering, isn't it, to think we might have been a persecutor of jesus if we'd lived then. yet the fundamentalist mindset you are displaying is the very mindset that stops you seeing a divine truth when it is right in front of you. the scribes couldn't see it 2,000 years ago, and fundamentalists today can't see that god is so far beyond what you currently think you know, that he can barely be glimpsed from a fundamentalist viewpoint. it is only when you go beyond it that you will begin to get to the heart of god, as the disciples dared to go beyond their faith and get to the true message of jesus.

 

saying things like 'muhammed was illiterate' or 'allah is not god' is showing a serious lack of respect and understanding of a religion which was divinely inspired to muhammed by the angel gabriel, at the behest of god. i am not saying the qur'an is a perfect document, or that islam was intended to be a religion for all people, but neither is the bible perfect and neither is christianity intented to be a religion for all people.

 

religion has been given to man to help man reach god. religions do this in a variety of ways and NO religion has the monopoly on being right, or on being the only way to reach god. god is a god of infinite capability. do you think it is beyond his scope to allow humans to be the individuals he created us to be, and follow slightly different paths to heaven?

 

i pray you can come to a point of understanding where you can see beyond this fundamentalist mindset and learn that like the rest of us, you don't yet have all the answers.

 

peace to you.

[Love Hurts]

Aren't you saying the same thing to me? That your way is the right way?

 

actually, I believe she is saying "have respect for others by not force-feeding them your beliefs." I say stop proselytizing … only God knows what is in an individual's heart, only he can offer salvation, not some well-meaning, if misguided, individual who tries to be that agent of salvation.

 

I love my fellow man; I respect any individual’s choice in life.

I am respectful of that. Because I appreciate my freedom of choice in this life.

The freedom I speak of is not the freedom Government puts upon us.

It’s the freedom that God Himself put upon us.

 

Knowing that no matter what is happening around me.

In my heart, I know who’s I am. Its by choice of my heart I follow Jesus.

And if any man claims to follow the Son of God… its not part way.

It’s not as long as it benefits me. Its His way or someone is fooling themselves and on the wrong road.

 

He is very clear as to what man needs do; His word is here for us to read.

It’s not difficult to come to Jesus.

 

I had a pastor that preached the word of God over 40 plus years. He said in all my years of praying at the bedside of the Atheists

I can stand in this pulpit today and tell you all not one.. and I mean not one of them……… was exempt.

 

Every single Atheist upon his or her deathbed; in their dying breath called out to Jesus.

Jesus Save Me; is what the cry of the Atheist was in last breaths.

 

Now do you know one of the shortest prayer in the Bible is only 9 words long.

Imagine 9 words to Salvation………. That’s because the Lord does know our hearts.

 

 

Luke 23:42And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into

thy kingdom.

 

There is one shorter still in Luke 18. Yes God does knows our hearts.

Jesus does offer Salvation… But Jesus is not in the Koran… Allah has no son.

 

Jesus is not the son of Allah......Jesus is the son of Yahweh.

[Porn_Guy]

Love Hurts - God will forgive you because you know not what you do.

ha ha ha, so true B_0....

[johan]

Jesus is not the son of Allah......Jesus is the son of Yahweh.

 

I've decided that I'm going to hedge my bet, but I still have one more big decision to make. Should I worship Yahllah or Allaweh?

[Love Hurts]

Thanks Love Hurts for clarifying.....I fall so short in this area, also have a really bad cold and am dealing with some very stressful situations....so communication is even worse....((((((((((hugs to everyone))))))))))

 

Pureinheart,

 

You are saying all you can for the word.

I understand how life has a toll on the human body.

We can only speak the word the best we can;

its upon the Holy Spirit to do the rest.

Amen

 

Be encouraged child of Yahweh, Jesus; Your light is bright!

 

Our God is God.

God Bless

[Love Hurts]

I've decided that I'm going to hedge my bet, but I still have one more big decision to make. Should I worship Yahllah or Allaweh?

When you find Jesus, you have found God.

Jesus is God.

[Love Hurts]

"what i am attempting to point out, is the mindset today that says god has nothing more to say to mankind because it was all said 2,000 years ago, or that anything else added to the scriptures must be from the devil is EXACTLY the mindset that jesus came to challenge. it was not just that the jewish scriptures were incomplete. it was that the mindset which says

'leave us alone, we don't believe god has anything else to teach us' is incomplete"

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Bluetuesday,

 

The Gadarene Demoniac Healed

 

5And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.

2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,

3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:

4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.

6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.

12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.

13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.

14 And they that fed the swine fled, and told it in the city, and in the country. And they went out to see what it was that was done.

15 And they come to Jesus, and see him that was possessed with the devil, and had the legion, sitting, and clothed, and in his right mind: and they were afraid.

16 And they that saw it told them how it befell to him that was possessed with the devil, and also concerning the swine.

17 And they began to pray him to depart out of their coasts.

18 And when he was come into the ship, he that had been possessed with the devil prayed him that he might be with him.

19 Howbeit Jesus suffered him not, but saith unto him, Go home to thy friends, and tell them how great things the Lord hath done for thee, and hath had compassion on thee.

20 And he departed, and began to publish in Decapolis how great things Jesus had done for him: and all men did marvel.

 

The Demoniac cried the same cry:

7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?

 

I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

 

God Bless you Bluetuesday

[Love Hurts]

Love Hurts - God will forgive you because you know not what you do.

 

Blind otter …. You have the cutest picture, just adorable.

 

I appreciate the reminiscent scripture.

I hav'nt distorted the word of God.

I have rejected Allah as Yahweh.

And the Koran is not the word of Yahweh but instead a

a pagan book of false teachings suitable for a pagan god;

worthy to sit on a shelf next to a stone Buda.

 

My spirit is saddened at the multitude of souls on earth that desire Christ be banished from all things.

Why do men seek to banish the true living God?

Does the mere mention of His name prick their conscience?

Is it men desire to be their own individual god?

Does Satan have such a grip on the hearts of men, which keeps them blinded from the truth?

 

Satan is and has been working hard to get men to this place in time.

 

There is a new god coming. Men blinded from truth will be prepared to receive him; the word calls him the

__ Antichrist__.

[Porn_Guy]

There is a new god coming. Men blinded from truth will be prepared to receive him; the word calls him the

__ Antichrist__.

wow that is so awesome LH....so if christ and antichrist met and touched would the universe cease to exist? would there be an explosion of like one million-gazillion megatons?

[Love Hurts]

wow that is so awesome LH....so if christ and antichrist met and touched would the universe cease to exist? would there be an explosion of like one million-gazillion megatons?

 

PornGuy,

 

The Antichrist requires a thread of its own.

He has a number that is associated with his name, the number is 666.

[quankanne]

Does Satan have such a grip on the hearts of men, which keeps them blinded from the truth?

 

O, the Irony ...

 

 

I call troll. Anyone second the motion?

[Love Hurts]

Under the topic of Religion I am trolling …you are mistaken.

If I your fur is ruffled or you’re being rubbed the wrong way.

You need to avoid religious topics.

 

You are the perfect example of Freedom lost.

Individuals such as yourself; if you do not like what you hear.

You want it silenced.

 

Everything and anything goes with you but Jesus?

But you can’t see that can you?

 

You my friend have blinders on.

 

Isn’t their a different page you prefer on LS?

..........find something more appeasing.

[Cub]

WOW! A lot has been said since I've been away. You guys are fast:laugh:

 

Well, anyway, and I must say that I am enjoying this. There is nothing like a good debate to get the 'ol blood flowing.

 

Well, I won't pretend the title of religious scholar, nor will I even admit to as thorough an understanding of the Bible as I would like, but I know enough to see that Yahweh and Allah are one in the same.

Consider, if you will, that the Jewish faith states that Jesus was a prophet, but not the Messiah. Does this mean that their teachings are false? No, no more false than the teaching that Jesus is divine. The same is true of Allah: though Muslims may not agree with Christians on the exact identity of Jesus, they too recognize him as a prophet. There is difference in exactly how the three faiths interpret the scriptures, but the basic teachings are the same.

 

Personally, I think that people get more into the worship of religion than the worship of God. The message is what is important here, not the stories that are used to express it. By saying that one religion is right over another, or one group is better than another, we only serve in ignoring Jesus' teaching to love thy neighbor. The first and most important part of love is acceptance. If we can't do that, then it's not love at all.

[Love Hurts]

WOW! A lot has been said since I've been away. You guys are fast

Well, anyway, and I must say that I am enjoying this. There is nothing like a good debate to get the 'ol blood flowing.

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Right O Cub,

I can be a real fire hydrant.

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Well, I won't pretend the title of religious scholar, nor will I even admit to as thorough an understanding of the Bible as I would like, but I know enough to see that Yahweh and Allah are one in the same.

Consider, if you will, that the Jewish faith states that Jesus was a prophet, but not the Messiah.

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Many Jews still today believe Jesus was not the Messiah.

Many Jews do believe Jesus was the Messiah.

The Jews are divided. One thing is certain; after two thousand years, Jesus of Nazareth is still as controversial in the Jewish community as he was in the first century. Still, most hold to the traditional bottom line that whatever he was, he wasn't the expected Messiah.

 

Jews for Jesus begs to differ. We believe that Jesus was, and still is, who he claimed to be-the Messiah of Israel and of all nations. In this section, we present you with arguments for his Messiahship and respond to objections that you may have heard or raised. In this way, we join with those first-century Jews and Gentiles who found Jesus-in Hebrew, Y'shua-to be "the way, the truth, and the life."

 

Christians refer to Jews that believe Jesus was the messiah as Christian Jews.

I can post one site of relevance to this support.’ Jews for Jesus’

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers/jesus

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Does this mean that their teachings are false? No, no more false than the teaching that Jesus is divine. The same is true of Allah: though Muslims may not agree with Christians on the exact identity of Jesus, they too recognize him as a prophet. There is difference in exactly how the three faiths interpret the scriptures, but the basic teachings are the same.

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Did you see the Passion of the Christ movie? That was a mild portrayal of what Jesus actually did go through. It lacked the true hatred of hundreds of people lined up on the streets as he passed through the crowds of hate for Him as He drug His cross for you and for me.

 

Only a lunatic would go through that for people he doesn’t even know.

Jesus did that and Jesus was not a lunatic.

 

Jesus the son of the living God. Jesus was scourged, a wreath of thorns pounded into his head, humiliated and spit upon as he drug that wooden cross through streets full of people that mocked him, pushed, punched and kicked him. He had his beard ripped out by the roots.

Still he went on.

He stretched his arms out on the cross and let men nail him to it.

He did that for you and for me.

He suffered and died for us…sinners.

 

And He said Father Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do.

People still don’t know what they do… nothing has changed.

 

Do I think anything but Jesus is false? Yes… I do… Jesus died for me.

Now I live for Him.

 

Personally, I think that people get more into the worship of religion than the worship of God.

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That’s because religions are man made comfortable and guilt free.

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The message is what is important here, not the stories that are used to express it. By saying that one religion is right over another, or one group is better than another, we only serve in ignoring Jesus' teaching to love thy neighbor. The first and most important part of love is acceptance. If we can't do that, then it's not love at all.

 

Without Jesus… I can love my neighbor till the cows fly… and its useless, unless it has some sort of benefit in it for me; The love my neighbor with benefits plan.

 

With Jesus first, I can love my neighbor as I love myself.

Because Jesus first loved me.

That’s the diff.

God Bless

[bluetuesday]

The Gadarene Demoniac Healed

 

5And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes....

 

....

7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God?

 

I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

 

God Bless you Bluetuesday

 

i'm not sure if you just attempted the first loveshack exorcism, think i'm possessed or are simply calling me a pig.

 

sigh. since you failed to consider any questions i posed and did what you have consistently done - hidden behind scripture - i wonder why you posted this thread in the first place. was it to prove how right you are or was it to genuinely seek other people's opinions? if it's the latter, you have a peculiar way of showing it, since you immediately reject any different way of thinking than your own.

 

i refuse to use scripture to beat someone over the head - even i give it that much respect - but i do suggest you ponder matthew ch7 v 5, where jesus talks about looking for the beam in your own eye before you point out everyone else's faults.

[Love Hurts]

Bluetuesday,

I read your post and I answered the entire thing with Demoniac scripture.

I think it was appropriate in the light of those that rejected Jesus then and now.

 

The Demoniac said leave us alone Jesus torment us no more.

He capitalized it all for essence for those that reject Jesus.

No I don’t claim to have all the answers its just the way I responded to your post.

 

I’m not beating you over the

head or calling you a pig. I can’t say all these religions are all good.

I can’t agree with you.

Religions are man made comfortable and guilt free.

 

There is only one road to the Father Yahweh and its through the Son Jesus.

 

Everything else is man appeasing man.

God Bless you Bluetuesday and I am sorry

you took it as if I am beating you over the head. Likewise I am

not sweeping Jesus under the carpet

because my neighbor does.

[Porn_Guy]

moderation in everything is the key to a good life, and that includes religion. people with extrimist views about any subject cause 90% of the worlds problems.

[Love Hurts]

Modern. … The new age; get with the times or be lost in them.

I have heard or read that.

 

Porn Guy that’s the point; Jesus is from Old from everlasting.

He dos not change just because man does or because it’s a new year.

I can and do accept our individual freedoms of choice, for the roads we take and the adamant beliefs system we are grounded upon to travel the roads we have chosen.

 

The key is: Individuality. I do not begrudge my brother his stance in the world. Freedom and choice is a gift not taken lightly.

 

As for ‘extremism’;

Jesus is seen as irrational, counterproductive, unjustifiable, or otherwise unacceptable to a modern society. The term notes the illigetamacy of certain ideas or methods.

 

I prefer to label myself Christian- a follower of Christ.

[quankanne]

The key is: Individuality. I do not begrudge my brother his stance in the world. Freedom and choice is a gift not taken lightly versus You are the perfect example of Freedom lost. Individuals such as yourself; if you do not like what you hear.You want it silenced. Everything and anything goes with you but Jesus? But you can’t see that can you? You my friend have blinders on.

 

do you not see the irony of your posts? Not being facetitious here, just truly wondering if you understand that you give lip service to the concept of freedom yet condemn those you've personally identified as not gung-ho for Jesus because you refuse to see past your prejudices.

 

the Jesus I know proclaims the Gospel of Love, not division – that's the devil's job. In reading your posts, yes, I'll admit that I get frustrated because you profess Jesus with your mouth, but your heart does not seem to follow ... you're busy condemning people you've identified as anti-Christian. Not sure who empowered you to make that decision, but I do know your method only turns people away from Christ.

[burning 4 revenge]

moderation in everything is the key to a good life, and that includes religion. people with extrimist views about any subject cause 90% of the worlds problems.

no alpha, women cause 90% of the world's problems

[Touche]

no alpha, women cause 90% of the world's problems

 

Yeah, we're evil. Sssssssss! And if we're of the Jewish persuasion we're all Kykes, right?