YAHWEH vs. ALLAH

[Love Hurts]

The key is: Individuality. I do not begrudge my brother his stance in the world. Freedom and choice is a gift not taken lightly versus You are the perfect example of Freedom lost. Individuals such as yourself; if you do not like what you hear.You want it silenced. Everything and anything goes with you but Jesus? But you can’t see that can you? You my friend have blinders on.

 

do you not see the irony of your posts? Not being facetitious here, just truly wondering if you understand that you give lip service to the concept of freedom yet condemn those you've personally identified as not gung-ho for Jesus because you refuse to see past your prejudices.

 

the Jesus I know proclaims the Gospel of Love, not division – that's the devil's job. In reading your posts, yes, I'll admit that I get frustrated because you profess Jesus with your mouth, but your heart does not seem to follow ... you're busy condemning people you've identified as anti-Christian. Not sure who empowered you to make that decision, but I do know your method only turns people away from Christ.

 

 

 

If you are an Atheist you need be strong and firm in your belief.

If you are an Idol worshiper, a witch, a warlock, a soothsayer, a prophet or a follower of Beelzebub or Christ whatever stance you choose in this walk of life………. Shouldn’t you be firm in your beliefs… or should you sway with the wind?

 

If you don’t stand for anything, you will fall for anything.

Freedom of choice is a gift. How you stand upon it is up to you.

Why do you begrudge my standing firm upon my beliefs?

You stand upon yours ………….do you not?

Or do you sway each time someone tells you your wrong?

Get a backbone and be something solid.

Either you is………….. or you isn’t.

 

I am open:

Its ok to condemn my faults...You are not allowing me to be human …Perhaps you like many others think that since I proclaim Salvation I am Christ?

 

I am not.. far from it and ... I will be the first to admit: I fall short of the glory of God. I am an explosive person as appose to implosive. I know the diff after living amongst the variables.

Yes I have issues I have to deal with………I have stress I need to deal with. If I gave you the run down on my life you probably run the other way.

 

I have been trying to save the roof over the heads of four people alone for years and its not easy. The enemy has tried to kill off four of us this past year and potential molestation.

 

My daughter beat cancer … Jesus did all the work.

My son survived two fires……… he has the flesh scars to remind us.

My other son was crushed to the ground by a 150 lb sheet of iron falling from 40ft. in the air… he survived with not one broken bone.

My baby was a victim of attempted molestation.

 

I am in a battlefield each and every day… Jesus is still working on me.

Perfect……….. ya right…… no I am a sinner saved by grace.

Meek………. What is that…. see I don’t know how to be meek.

If I were meek I highly doubt I would have survived the past 12 months.

Meek sounds like a heartache to me.

 

I am so out there I can’t shrink back. So yes I will be the first to admit

I have failed Jesus. But……….. I still Love Jesus He is my God and I know He has his hands full with me. I am a project in the making of something better than wham t I am today. Amen.

 

It is nothing short of a miracle I am here to type to you.

This life is easy for some and a battle each day for others.

Hey I am human……….. I am failable…. Not perfect… I know one thing..

I believe in my Jesus……….. and this child of God is ready to go home; where my soul desires more than anything to be.

Yet while I am here… I know… the good Lord would have me share the word.

 

To enlighten others of His love and salvation, His grace and mercy, His Forgiveness and opened arms that bid his children. Come unto me and I will give you everlasting life..

From a fallible saved human being struggling with life herself……….

I can tell you this much……….. Jesus stretched out his arms and died for you and for me.

 

Its your turn is it? To take a firm stand for something .... all the way.

 

 

God Bless

[pureinheart]

I am open:

Its ok to condemn my faults...You are not allowing me to be human …Perhaps you like many others think that since I proclaim Salvation I am Christ?

 

I am not.. far from it and ... I will be the first to admit: I fall short of the glory of God. I am an explosive person as appose to implosive. I know the diff after living amongst the variables.

Yes I have issues I have to deal with………I have stress I need to deal with. If I gave you the run down on my life you probably run the other way.

 

Very powerful testamony....I heard some things in the Spirit while replying to another post...I didn't communicate them in that post, but I can tell you that all will be well with you financially....I heard that loud and clear, and now seeing this post, know God was speaking.

 

I can so relate....the enemy knew who I was from birth and has targeted me since...

 

I kept hearing vengance is Mine, and then I saw your life (but didn't understand it, but now do after seeing this post) and saw mine....and how the enemy has had a free for all, and then saw the vengance of the Lord falling on our behalf....many, many times I have sat back while people and their arrogant pride try to destroy me, but I know not to react, I know to wait, and know not to seek revenge as I will receive a double portion.

 

It has been so hard all my life to sit back and do nothing, I call the law when possible, although most of the time it's devastation that cannot be proven.

 

God has me on a very short leash so to speak, I watch others seemingly get away with murder on their hearts towards me, but I stand on vengance is Mine, says the Lord, I will repay....Do not touch My anointed, do My Prophets no harm....

 

God is sending all of the curses back to the sender....

[quankanne]

Its your turn is it? To take a firm stand for something .... all the way.

 

I empathize with your sorrows – that was me in 2003, but with God's grace I got through it.

 

I understand how you want to proclaim your faith, and I commend that. It's your method, which seems to denigrate others, that is bothersome. But then again, I'm from the school "show, don't tell" ...

[pureinheart]

Its your turn is it? To take a firm stand for something .... all the way.

 

I empathize with your sorrows – that was me in 2003, but with God's grace I got through it.

 

I understand how you want to proclaim your faith, and I commend that. It's your method, which seems to denigrate others, that is bothersome. But then again, I'm from the school "show, don't tell" ...

 

 

This is the Spirituality forum? May I ask why it is okay to attack and be unbecoming in words and then not expect a defence of the truth. With all due respect, those who believe in God/Jesus/Holy Spirit are not doormats, as the world would like to have us.

 

Jesus was not a doormat, Jesus defended the truth and put the Pharisees in their place many times.

 

Jesus was the sacrificial lamb, the price was paid and Jesus chose to do that, but He was not a doormat.

[Love Hurts]

[Very powerful testimony.... I heard some things in the Spirit while replying to another post...I didn't communicate them in that post, but I can tell you that all will be well with you financially.... I heard that loud and clear, and now seeing this post, know God was speaking.]

 

 

Pureinheart I needed to hear that more than anything in my walk of life right now.

I so need the Lord to aid me in the financial department of life.

If I loose it; I take down many in the fall.

I do need intercession of the Lord to help me, help others as well as myself.

 

Praise Jesus for that word of knowledge… I am on the threshold of 60 days or less from now as being the turning point. I praise Jesus today, and claim the best of it in Jesus precious Holy name. Amen

 

Pureinheart you have more than prayed for me.. You have inspired me! Praise Jesus.

God is so good and ahead of our prayer requests…always faithful.

 

[God is sending all of the curses back to the sender]…I stand in agreement on these words in Jesus name… Let the curse be upon the enemy as we are set free from his bondage in Jesus name. Amen

 

I Praise Jesus for a sister in the Lord, Pureinheart; and how we uplift one another as we walk these last miles home.

 

God Bless

[Love Hurts]

Its your turn is it? To take a firm stand for something .... all the way.

 

I empathize with your sorrows – that was me in 2003, but with God's grace I got through it.

 

I understand how you want to proclaim your faith, and I commend that. It's your method, which seems to denigrate others, that is bothersome. But then again, I'm from the school "show, don't tell" ...

 

 

Personalities get in the way of ones offering the words of Christ.

Jesus was not accepted in his hometown of Nazareth. {Luke 4:21 – 32}

 

You may be more receptive to a personality you feel you can relate to.

Don’t give up; seek the word of Christ through others … there is someone that is speaking; the Word on the personality page you take to.

 

God Bless

[Porn_Guy]

002.136 Say ye: "We believe in God, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them: And we bow to God (in Islam)."

[Touche]

I'll have what he's having!

[Love Hurts]

no alpha, women cause 90% of the world's problems

 

Yeah, we're evil. Sssssssss! And if we're of the Jewish persuasion we're all Kykes, right?

 

 

God is no respecter of persons. He said in Romans 14:11

For it is written, As I live, saith the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.

 

Men and women alike; We are each responsible for our own walk in this life.

 

One day we shall each stand "Alone" before Jesus

and be judged accordingly for "Our" individual lives lived on earth.

 

Its only a matter of time. How much time do any of us have?

 

What if today were your last day on earth?

Where do you stand in the Lord?

 

Its all about freedom of choice, Its all about You.

 

God Bless

[Porn_Guy]

i think a lot of problems with the big-three religions are caused by the things below:

• Since the Jews came first they don't officially recognize Christianity or Islam. Ergo they call themselves "the chosen people"
  
• Since they came second, the Christians recognize Judiasm but don't recognize Islam officially
  
• Islam came third & last so they're not recognized by anyone except themselves yet they do recognize Jews & Chrisitians.

I guess birth-order does make a big difference

[Love Hurts]

i think a lot of problems with the big-three religions are caused by the things below:

• Since the Jews came first they don't officially recognize Christianity or Islam. Ergo they call themselves "the chosen people"
  
• Since they came second, the Christians recognize Judiasm but don't recognize Islam officially
  
• Islam came third & last so they're not recognized by anyone except themselves yet they do recognize Jews & Chrisitians.

I guess birth-order does make a big difference

Birth Order?

 

Jesus Christ the Son of God born of a virgin. He is the birth of all order.

Rev.19: 16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

 

ALL SHALL KNOW; HE IS LORD OF LORDS and HE IS KING OF KINGS!

 

 

Question: Who else has died for you?

[burning 4 revenge]

Question: Who else has died for you?

Mithras the zodiac god

[burning 4 revenge]

Also Peter Pan I think

[Cub]

Many Jews still today believe Jesus was not the Messiah.

Many Jews do believe Jesus was the Messiah.

The Jews are divided. One thing is certain; after two thousand years, Jesus of Nazareth is still as controversial in the Jewish community as he was in the first century. Still, most hold to the traditional bottom line that whatever he was, he wasn't the expected Messiah.

 

Jews for Jesus begs to differ. We believe that Jesus was, and still is, who he claimed to be-the Messiah of Israel and of all nations. In this section, we present you with arguments for his Messiahship and respond to objections that you may have heard or raised. In this way, we join with those first-century Jews and Gentiles who found Jesus-in Hebrew, Y'shua-to be "the way, the truth, and the life."

 

Christians refer to Jews that believe Jesus was the messiah as Christian Jews.

I can post one site of relevance to this support.’ Jews for Jesus’

http://www.jewsforjesus.org/answers/jesus

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Heh, dood, you missed my point. Some people believe in Jesus as the messiah and some don't. Big whoop! That doesn't mean that anyone is wrong and to declare someone else wrong because what you believe is different is assuming too much on your part.

 

It goes for any teaching, not just Jesus' divinity.

 

My original point remains, however. The three Abrahamic faiths are the same with different names. Don't think that by condemning Allah you are not condemning your own God.

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Did you see the Passion of the Christ movie? That was a mild portrayal of what Jesus actually did go through. It lacked the true hatred of hundreds of people lined up on the streets as he passed through the crowds of hate for Him as He drug His cross for you and for me.

 

Only a lunatic would go through that for people he doesn’t even know.

Jesus did that and Jesus was not a lunatic.

 

Jesus the son of the living God. Jesus was scourged, a wreath of thorns pounded into his head, humiliated and spit upon as he drug that wooden cross through streets full of people that mocked him, pushed, punched and kicked him. He had his beard ripped out by the roots.

Still he went on.

He stretched his arms out on the cross and let men nail him to it.

He did that for you and for me.

He suffered and died for us…sinners.

 

And He said Father Forgive Them For They Know Not What They Do.

People still don’t know what they do… nothing has changed.

 

Do I think anything but Jesus is false? Yes… I do… Jesus died for me.

Now I live for Him.

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That's...awesome, but it does justify my previous post I suppose. Though If I may add to that: WTF?

 

I didn't ask him to do this for me. Hell, if I have to sacrifice my mortal life so that I can be happy WHEN I die then I'm good here. I'll suffer forever in your hell if I can choose my own enjoyment here over dedication to a entity that hasn't revealed itself in over 2000 years.

 

Unless you count the wars his believers have fought over his existence in that time. So much suffering over the biggest "if" in history...I'll pass. I'd rather respect everyone's religions equally than pour all my being into one and ignore the others...

 

...only to risk being wrong suffering anyway.

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That’s because religions are man made comfortable and guilt free.

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Is that what you call it? See, the way I see it a bunch of grown men are just acting like kids.

 

"I'm right! No I am!", yet no real way to prove who is right so they just end up fighting like boys in a school yard.

 

Once one is in the mindset of religion over God they forget the teachings of love and acceptance and start blowing up others for saying, "I think differently than you do".

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Without Jesus… I can love my neighbor till the cows fly… and its useless, unless it has some sort of benefit in it for me; The love my neighbor with benefits plan.

 

With Jesus first, I can love my neighbor as I love myself.

Because Jesus first loved me.

That’s the diff.

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I'm confused. Did you just say that love is useless without Jesus giving you eternal life for it? Jesus' whole message was unconditional love for our fellow man, not love because if you don't you won't get what you want?...alright. If that's how you look at things then I see why you feel the way you do about other religions.

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God Bless

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You too:)

[Porn_Guy]

the word "Allah" is just the word for God in arabic. Its not a seperate God. Its the same God that Jews and Christians believe in....at least thats what i learned in my world religions class.

[Admiral Thrawn]

Nice work. Now who is the enemy you were really referring to? Who are we to align ourselves against based on your original post?

 

Me? I'm responding to OP's initial post by that the Devil/Satan/Lucifer/Beelzebub/the prince of Darkness likes to use people to stir up caca. If God's plan is to have humanity united in love and understanding, then the Devil's is to create hate and friction by trotting out statement's like OPs.

 

Not true. Tower of Babel story. The Anti-Christ kingdom in Revelation. All examples of humanity working together to build anti-God constructs just to have them all fall apart.

 

In the Tower of Babel, all of humanity spoke the same language, but when the tower was being built, a monument of pride to the human race to build something to the sky, then God confused the languages, (and possibly races), which is why we have so much differences in language around the world and people cant understand each other unless all the languages are learned.

 

God's plan is not to have humanity united in love and understanding on humanity's terms, but is to cause confusion and discordance, where the goal is in the exclusion of God. However, where the purpose of unity is under the will of God, such as a church, then confusion and discordance is of the devil.

[Love Hurts]

the word "Allah" is just the word for God in arabic. Its not a seperate God. Its the same God that Jews and Christians believe in....at least thats what i learned in my world religions class.

 

PornGuy,

Allah has no son name Jesus; the Koran says so.

Yahweh has a Son named Jesus; the Bible says so.

[Love Hurts]

Not true. Tower of Babel story. The Anti-Christ kingdom in Revelation. All examples of humanity working together to build anti-God constructs just to have them all fall apart.

 

In the Tower of Babel, all of humanity spoke the same language, but when the tower was being built, a monument of pride to the human race to build something to the sky, then God confused the languages, (and possibly races), which is why we have so much differences in language around the world and people cant understand each other unless all the languages are learned.

 

God's plan is not to have humanity united in love and understanding on humanity's terms, but is to cause confusion and discordance, where the goal is in the exclusion of God. However, where the purpose of unity is under the will of God, such as a church, then confusion and discordance is of the devil.

 

A.T.,

 

True, that was The Old Testament.

 

Also.. in the O.T. for those that followed the will of Yahweh … and worshiped Him

 

A sacrifice unto God the Father was a blood offering of ones finest animal.

 

However…. Hebrews 10:4

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

 

This was only a covering for sin but not a cleaning from sin.

Those before the Cross.. looked forward to it.. As we look back on it.

 

We now on this side of the Cross; The New Testament.

 

Jesus is the ultimate blood sacrifice.. The sacrificial Lamb of God the Father. Cross roads of division….

 

Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14: 6

[CardPlay3r]

How can you take what the bible or coran or whatever some book says so literally? the bible was written by the early christian bishops in the 3rd century AD, and those 4 gospels put there are just the ones the majority of bishops agreed on...there were 24 gospels in total, and it split the christian church at the time because the bishops that didn't agree with those 4 left it.

 

So, a majority of a human gathering - in this case, bishops, is not the word of god to me...

 

Also Jesus was simply the winner of a 'contest' of who the 'prophet 'was...there were several others that claimed the title, some which were more popular at the time, it's simply that jesus' followers won that contest.

 

If it was someone else, or if the bible included other gospels you would now believe that version and not this one....simply a case of winners write history

[Love Hurts]

How can you take what the bible or coran or whatever some book says so literally? the bible was written by the early christian bishops in the 3rd century AD, and those 4 gospels put there are just the ones the majority of bishops agreed on...there were 24 gospels in total, and it split the christian church at the time because the bishops that didn't agree with those 4 left it.

 

So, a majority of a human gathering - in this case, bishops, is not the word of god to me...

 

Also Jesus was simply the winner of a 'contest' of who the 'prophet 'was...there were several others that claimed the title, some which were more popular at the time, it's simply that jesus' followers won that contest.

 

If it was someone else, or if the bible included other gospels you would now believe that version and not this one....simply a case of winners write history

 

Yes It Lines Up With Scripture...very much so...

We are in the Last Days...

 

Joel 2:28

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

 

Acts 2:17

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

 

Bill Wiese had a literal vision.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=648563944666093503

 

2 Timothy 3:16

All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

 

2 Peter 1:21

For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

 

If not for the Holy Spirit the Bible would not be here today 2000 years of men who sought to destroy and stop the word and yet its here.

 

It couldn’t be stopped … it meant to be here for all men to have a chance to hear the word of God and know the sacrifice Jesus made for our souls eternity.

 

Science is still discovering truth the Bible stated over 2000 years ago.

 

Here is a link of science and the word:

http://www.letusreason.org/Apolo6.htm

 

In the Bill Wiese video as he opens he takes time to speak of the word of God explaining modern day science catching up in agreement with the 2000 year old Bible.

 

Its deeper still, I know Jesus lives, I know He is God, I believe because He lives within my heart.

 

 

Revelation 3:20

Behold, I stand at the door, and knock: if any man hear my voice, and open the door, I will come in to him, and will sup with him, and he with me.

 

Matthew 7:7

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

 

Matthew 7:8

For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened.

 

Luke 11:9

And I say unto you, Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you.

 

Seek and you shall find. Knock and the door shall be opened.

[CardPlay3r]

My point was, how can believe the bible to be so accurate or even accurate at all seeing it was written by humans, a gathering of bishops that fought and disagreed among themselves even.

 

I am asking this from a rational point of view, you cannot prove the bible is true with quotes from the bible, that's like someone asking you "why is this true?" and you answering "because I say so"

[quankanne]

where the purpose of unity is under the will of God, such as a church, then confusion and discordance is of the devil.

 

this is what I'm talking about! (Thanks for clarifying, AT.)

 

most of the believers here understand that children of God come in all different colors and from different religious backgrounds, and we choose to look at that which unites us, rather than what divides us. Someone who worships Allah is no different in his love for God than one who calls Yahweh or God his father ... that love of Him is love, period. However, when one chooses to stir the pot by trying to exclude a child of God because he or she doesn't personally agree with what they perceive about the other person, I say that's letting the Devil set the tone, not God.

 

the older I get, the less confident I feel about condemning someone for holding beliefs other than my own ... that kind of thinking inflicted the Inquisition on mankind. Ideally, it was to ensure that everyone knew the true God and worshipped according to the true Christian faith, but in reality, it just gave creedence to hate and mistrust of people who didn't fall into line with Catholic teaching of that era, ultimately giving a beautiful faith system a huge black eye and a bad reputation.

 

I say God, no matter what name you call him by, is about love, and it's up to those of us who follow him to share that love with others to show our unity in him. Because it builds up our fellowship in him and it shows non-believers something good and positive about our love of Him.

 

isolating a group of believers and saying they don't make the cut because they don't believe according to my personal definition takes away, not adds to, that love of God, IMO, because it defies that love of him.

[bluetuesday]

My point was, how can believe the bible to be so accurate or even accurate at all seeing it was written by humans, a gathering of bishops that fought and disagreed among themselves even.

 

I am asking this from a rational point of view, you cannot prove the bible is true with quotes from the bible, that's like someone asking you "why is this true?" and you answering "because I say so"

 

very pleased to see someone else making this hugely valid point. you cannot use quotes from the bible to back up the bible. OF COURSE the fact that the bible is true will be promoted by the bible. i could tell you i was brilliant, but would you take it from me? wisely, you shouldn't. as cardplay3r says, the council of nicaea made sure anything that didn't agree with their POV was excluded.

 

however, a few gems slipped through. one of my favourites anomalies is, if adam and eve were the only people on earth and they had only sons, did the sons have to sleep with their mother in order to carry on populating the earth? to a bible literalist, the answer must be yes. naaaaasty.

 

the concept of reincarnation is another. it was finally officially removed from christian doctrine in about the 6th century and is now considered to be false, yet the gospel writers accepted the idea. two examples of this are jesus asking the disciples "who do people say i am?" (mark 8, v27) and being told he is considered by some to be elijah or john the baptist reborn, or another of the prophets.

 

the other example is in john ch9 when jesus cures a man who has been blind since birth. his disciples asked: "who sinned, this man or his parents that he was born blind?" to me this points to the disciples accepting the laws of karma and reincarnation - the belief that sin will have material consequences which may not happen until a future lifetime. both karma and reincarnation are now considered heretical ideas by the church.

[quankanne]

if adam and eve were the only people on earth and they had only sons, did the sons have to sleep with their mother in order to carry on populating the earth? to a bible literalist, the answer must be yes. naaaaasty.

 

that's a pukey thought. However, I always took it to mean that Adam and Eve were at the head of the line, spiritually speaking. That they were the first to be created with souls. Though this refutes the idea that man, created in God's image, each had souls. But, then again, isn't Lillith supposed to have been Adam's first spouse?

 

bah! it gets so confusing. Which is why it has to be a faith thing ...

[CardPlay3r]

Thank you bluetuesday...the bible seems to have many contradictions indeed...

 

For instance, doesn't it say there that all humans are subject to erring? Wouldn't that make the bible, written and published by humans subject to erring as well?

 

See Love Hurts, that's what's wrong with living your life according to a certain church or religious leader or book...you begin to think you know the absolute truth, and the ones that disagree are inherently wrong or bound for hell...