Topper Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Religion doesn't have a the corner on the market of hate. Chairmen Mao Hitler, Stalin are just some of the agnostic and Atheist who have done much to spread hate, death and destruction in this world All Religions, have some explaining to do as well. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Religion doesn't have a the corner on the market of hate. Chairmen Mao Hitler, Stalin are just some of the agnostic and Atheist who have done much to spread hate, death and destruction in this world All Religions, have some explaining to do as well. Whether Mao, Hitler and Stalin believed in religion or not is irrelevant. They also had philosophies and belief systems that needed to be obeyed, just like an organized religion. So in essence they were the leaders of their own "religions"... Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 That was my point and blind obedience to any Philosophy can lead to hate. It is the we are right they are wrong symdrom. Some posters seem to blame religion for all the worlds troubles. I was pointing out That they needed to open their eyes look at the real culprit Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 James brother Jesus was the first head of any kind of chruch that worshiped Jesus. He said that you had to convert to Judaism to be a follower of Jesus. why would Jesus give Simon Peter the keys of the kingdom then? ("you are peter, and on this rock I will build my church, even the gates of Hell shall not prevail against it ...") Conversion to Judaism wouldn't make sense if Jesus, who is God Incarnate, came to fulfill the Jewish law, thus creating a whole new theology. Paul went off to convert people he was not very successful because of circumcision. oh, I don't think circumcision proved to be any kind of barrier to the success of Christianity ... This thread is a perfect example of how pointless religion is. Thank you Love_Hurst for working so hard to prove my point. ... You have shown us all how religion is used to put just a little more hate into the world. methinks you intentionally ignore any positive aspects of religion just to prove a biased point. No one denies that some religious followers embrace negative behavior in the name of love of their God, BUT THEY DO NOT CONSTITUTE THE WHOLE OF BELIEVERS. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted February 9, 2007 Share Posted February 9, 2007 Did you even read my post? Of course circumcision was not a problem for Paul he said you did not have to be circumcised. Now do you think Peter may have lied about what Jesus told him. What happened to all the Christians that were back in Jerusalem? Jesus dies the Disciples are scared. The next thing you know the whole story takes a major shift out and away from the very heart and center of this new faith. The whole story goes on the road? this all happens without explanation? Did you Know that in the 1st and 2nd century many Christians were killing other Christians because they had a different views of who and what Jesus was. The story you were told in Sunday School is just the story of those that won the political battle for control of this new faith. They won by burning books and scared writing that per date Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Books on the life of Jesus that may have been written in a few years after his death not 70 more more years after his death. Why would Christians destroy those writing? Some of theses writings are only referenced in other ancient writings because the original books were destroyed. There are some big holes in the whole Jesus Narrative. I would love to find out why? The story of the trip to Bethlehem, It never happened. Roman never had a census system that require you to go back to your home town. Never! Why did Mary and Joesph need to be in Bethlehem? The writers of The gospels know that the Prophets said the Messiah had to be born in Bethlehem. That is just one point. Another is on Friday Jesus is riding into Jerusalem on the back of an Ass and the people are going crazy! thousands who are at the temple for pass over are thrilled to see this man that has by this time a very large following. He pisses of the Pharisees and the Priest by lashing out at the money changers. This is his Only Violent act ever recorded. They go to Pilot and ask him to do something. Why would he need a trial? Pilot crucified thousands of Jews year. without a trial. Whats one more. He was the most bloodthirsty rulers Roman ever sent out to Israel. Roman kept very good records of what was going on all over the Empire. We would have a lot more on any trial of Jesus if there had been one. The trial is a way of putting the blame on the Jews for killing Jesus. This Helps the writers of the Gospels to separate the Church in Roman from the Jews. according to the gospel of John all these people who have been waiting to hear Jesus preach and think this guy is great. All those people turned on him? in a matter of Hours? It does not make sense. Nope, Roman put him to death because they were afraid he would tell the people to over throw Roman rule. There are many instances of of Riots by Jews during pass Over before Jesus came to jerusalem The Priest and the Pharisees were afraid that he could turn off the profits they made from the money changers. Most writings outside the New testament don't agree with the New testament on Jesus being God. Some say he was others say he became god like in much the same way as Buddha. others say no just a man with a divine gift. And what is with the 30 year hole in his life? what was he doing? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Love Hurts Posted February 28, 2007 Author Share Posted February 28, 2007 Did you even read my post? Of course circumcision was not a problem for Paul he said you did not have to be circumcised. Now do you think Peter may have lied about what Jesus told him. What happened to all the Christians that were back in Jerusalem? Jesus dies the Disciples are scared. The next thing you know the whole story takes a major shift out and away from the very heart and center of this new faith. The whole story goes on the road? this all happens without explanation? Did you Know that in the 1st and 2nd century many Christians were killing other Christians because they had a different views of who and what Jesus was. The story you were told in Sunday School is just the story of those that won the political battle for control of this new faith. They won by burning books and scared writing that per date Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. Books on the life of Jesus that may have been written in a few years after his death not 70 more more years after his death. Why would Christians destroy those writing? Some of theses writings are only referenced in other ancient writings because the original books were destroyed. There are some big holes in the whole Jesus Narrative. I would love to find out why? The story of the trip to Bethlehem, It never happened. Roman never had a census system that require you to go back to your home town. Never! Why did Mary and Joesph need to be in Bethlehem? The writers of The gospels know that the Prophets said the Messiah had to be born in Bethlehem. That is just one point. Another is on Friday Jesus is riding into Jerusalem on the back of an Ass and the people are going crazy! thousands who are at the temple for pass over are thrilled to see this man that has by this time a very large following. He pisses of the Pharisees and the Priest by lashing out at the money changers. This is his Only Violent act ever recorded. They go to Pilot and ask him to do something. Why would he need a trial? Pilot crucified thousands of Jews year. without a trial. Whats one more. He was the most bloodthirsty rulers Roman ever sent out to Israel. Roman kept very good records of what was going on all over the Empire. We would have a lot more on any trial of Jesus if there had been one. The trial is a way of putting the blame on the Jews for killing Jesus. This Helps the writers of the Gospels to separate the Church in Roman from the Jews. according to the gospel of John all these people who have been waiting to hear Jesus preach and think this guy is great. All those people turned on him? in a matter of Hours? It does not make sense. Nope, Roman put him to death because they were afraid he would tell the people to over throw Roman rule. There are many instances of of Riots by Jews during pass Over before Jesus came to jerusalem The Priest and the Pharisees were afraid that he could turn off the profits they made from the money changers. Most writings outside the New testament don't agree with the New testament on Jesus being God. Some say he was others say he became god like in much the same way as Buddha. others say no just a man with a divine gift. And what is with the 30 year hole in his life? what was he doing? You can dress this up and candy coat it any way you desire. The bottom line is Allah has no Son named Jesus. My friend with no Jesus to ask Salvation of … man is lost for all eternity. Jesus is tenderly calling us home. He is the way the Truth and the Life. John 3:16 tells us if we believe in Him… we will not perish. If we Believe in Him … How can one believe when there is no son named Jesus? God Bless* Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted February 28, 2007 Share Posted February 28, 2007 Love Hurts. You may know some quotes from the New testament yet you have little understanding of the teachings of Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Love Hurts Posted February 28, 2007 Author Share Posted February 28, 2007 Love Hurts. You may know some quotes from the New testament yet you have little understanding of the teachings of Jesus. Teach me from the Koran about Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Teach me from the Koran about Jesus. you can't....that's the point. Link to post Share on other sites
burning 4 revenge Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Tying in the theme of Jesus with Isalm there is a Muslim born scholar named Osman who theorized that Jesus was actually the Egyptian Pharoah Tutenkahmen and that his teachings were kept in secret by the Essenes until they felt comfortable to come out with them in the open in the First Century. I don't believe it, but it's an interesting theory. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Love Hurts, Just why would you think That I could teach anything from the Quran? If you think I am a Muslim you are very wrong. Burning4, Where can I read up on that threory? I do believe that Jesus had some connection to the Essenes There are just to many passages in the Dead sea Scrolls that are almost word for word quoats from Jesus. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 Tying in the theme of Jesus with Isalm there is a Muslim born scholar named Osman who theorized that Jesus was actually the Egyptian Pharoah Tutenkahmen and that his teachings were kept in secret by the Essenes until they felt comfortable to come out with them in the open in the First Century. I don't believe it, but it's an interesting theory. So? There are white christians of european background that think the President of Iran is Satan himself (now that Saddam is dead). Big deal!!! Its all hearsay and conjecture. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted March 1, 2007 Share Posted March 1, 2007 In the mean time a great many Muslims think George W Bush is Satin, so what? .............. Everyone knows the real Satin is Dick Chaney Link to post Share on other sites
burning 4 revenge Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 So? There are white christians of european background that think the President of Iran is Satan himself (now that Saddam is dead). Big deal!!! Its all hearsay and conjecture. No need to get defensive my Islamophile friend. I said I found it interesting. Unfortunately, you don't get any credit for creativity in History, but the guys a wonderful read. Link to post Share on other sites
burning 4 revenge Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Love Hurts, Just why would you think That I could teach anything from the Quran? If you think I am a Muslim you are very wrong. Burning4, Where can I read up on that threory? I do believe that Jesus had some connection to the Essenes There are just to many passages in the Dead sea Scrolls that are almost word for word quoats from Jesus. www.ahmedosman.co.uk/ you can look him up on the web under ahmed osman, or check out amazon and barnes and noble. the book that deals with this subject specifically is Jesus and the House of Pharoahs Link to post Share on other sites
Storyrider Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 In the mean time a great many Muslims think George W Bush is Satin, so what? .............. Everyone knows the real Satin is Dick Chaney I'd say Bush is more like polyester, while Chaney is rayon. Link to post Share on other sites
justpassingthrough Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 Did you even read my post? Of course circumcision was not a problem for Paul he said you did not have to be circumcised...<snip>...And what is with the 30 year hole in his life? what was he doing? Then there's always the errors - or purposeful changes - in transcription from Bible to Bible. Has anyone seen Jesus Camp yet? Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted March 2, 2007 Share Posted March 2, 2007 I Never have. Is Jesus Camp a film? polyester, rayon, hold a match to them and they both burn with a nice blue flame. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Love Hurts Posted March 3, 2007 Author Share Posted March 3, 2007 Love Hurts, Just why would you think That I could teach anything from the Quran? If you think I am a Muslim you are very wrong. I do not assume you’re Muslim the same diff is many people around the world do not believe Jesus is the Son of God. Link to post Share on other sites
justpassingthrough Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Is Jesus Camp a film? Yep. Nominated for Best Documentary. It's out on DVD now. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Love Hurts, Your absolutely right, many don't think Jesus was the son of God. In fact he was not even elevated to that position untill about 400 years after his death. Untill that time Christians debated if he was the son of God or a powerful mystic, or a great Rabi. Link to post Share on other sites
CardPlay3r Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 Not to mention there were several other claimers, some much more popular than jesus at certain times...he just won the PR battle Link to post Share on other sites
RecordProducer Posted March 3, 2007 Share Posted March 3, 2007 uh ... don't you think it's more like one child calling his paternal unit "dad" while another says, "daddy," and yet another, "father"? It's all the same God, because Christians, Jews and Muslims are the only three religions that embrace monotheism (one God). To infer the Muslims are wrong or bad for calling their heavenly father by a different name is to totally miss that point. The Slavic people call their god "BOG." That's the translation of the word "God." Link to post Share on other sites
JazzyFe07 Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Love Hurts, Your absolutely right, many don't think Jesus was the son of God. In fact he was not even elevated to that position untill about 400 years after his death. Untill that time Christians debated if he was the son of God or a powerful mystic, or a great Rabi. You are so wrong. "He that believes in the Son, believes in God themseleves". Very intelligent people can also be very foolish. The actions of such persons show that they don't beleive Jesus exsits. If they believed in Jesus and knew that one day God would declare judgment, they would change. Believing in Jesus make a moral difference. It won't make you more intelligent, but it will make a difference in the way you live your life. And that's what's really important. But either way, you're trying to be an open believer or not, saying a thing like that can surely make it seem as a person who haven't even tried to seek God themself. And where did you get "In fact he was not even elevated to that position untill about 400 years after his death." That is NONSENSE!! A person that talks like that is just following the disbelif in Jesus just like other people in this world. This is why when Jesus comes again, when the Son of MAN comes back, you would be left with the people that you followed in their disbelif. Link to post Share on other sites
Topper Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 You are so wrong. "He that believes in the Son, believes in God themseleves". Very intelligent people can also be very foolish. The actions of such persons show that they don't believe Jesus exists. If they believed in Jesus and knew that one day God would declare judgment, they would change. Believing in Jesus make a moral difference. It won't make you more intelligent, but it will make a difference in the way you live your life. And that's what's really important. But either way, you're trying to be an open believer or not, saying a thing like that can surely make it seem as a person who haven't even tried to seek God themself. And where did you get "In fact he was not even elevated to that position untill about 400 years after his death." That is NONSENSE!! A person that talks like that is just following the disbelief in Jesus just like other people in this world. This is why when Jesus comes again, when the Son of MAN comes back, you would be left with the people that you followed in their disbelif. Nonsense? you need to learn your own Christian History. There is very credible evidence to support my claim. The Christian Bible was not even in existence untill The Nicene Conference. It was then that those at the conference decided on the trinity of Father Son and holy Spirit as official Christian doctrine. Jesus himself said Keep all the laws. What is the first of the 10 commandments? there is no other God but me. Not three gods not God in three parts, one God. Most of the miracles do not appear in the first written accounts of Jesus they did not appear untill much later. When Paul went to preach to the Greeks he had to over come a very powerful Greek/ Roman god, Mithra. Mithra was also the son of god, the Sun God that is. He was also said to be of virgin birth. So how to over come this powerful god? You make your God more powerful. By the way all the Christian Holiday are renamed Mithra celebrations. Christmas was Mithra's Birthday and Easter was another Mithra celebration. Ever ask your self why Easter does not fall on Passover? It should since the story takes place on Passover. They do you say i never tried to seek God? You have no idea of my back ground. I have looked deep into The Christian Faith was baptized in the pacific Ocean. I simply came to a different understanding of God and my relationship to God. Link to post Share on other sites
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