Buttaflyy Posted January 6, 2007 Share Posted January 6, 2007 :rolleyes: No you do not, but Men do not pick up on womens sublty yet they keep doing it and doing it exspecting Us (men) to pick it up! Probally not gonna happen for most men, then the woman gets angry and says we never listen, Oh we Listen we just don't know what the hell your saying;) Speak to us in Man langage BOLD AND POINT BLANK, DONT BEAT AROUND THE BUSH!!! This go's for men too talk to your spouse about what is on your mind, Because they CANNOT READ IT!!! Insanity doing the same thing over and over exspecting a differnt result!!!!! PEOPLE WE CANNOT AS A RACE READ OTHERS MINDS!!! We can hardly get our own thought strait half the time:laugh: Yes this too is true. Don't get mad though, when our conversations are very, hmmmm...detailed? LOL! Link to post Share on other sites
chadnickole Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Yes this too is true. Don't get mad though, when our conversations are very, hmmmm...detailed? LOL! At least I might have a clue what going on in Womans Heads, I might get mad for a second though. Promise I'll try not too K............ "honey do these pants make my ass look Fat":confused: "No dear don't be silly Your ass make your ass look fat":eek: My Wife gave me a Shirt and a Piece of Ass for Christmas. Problem is they were both too Big! At least I can take the shirt Back! My Uncle told that joke at our Christmas party to my Grandma HAhaha Link to post Share on other sites
Gunny376 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 True PW... but have we not as males been conditioned all our lives not to show emotions... or you were considered a "nancy boy"... I for one realy screwed myself up... I joined the Army at 16 yrs old... and that place was a shark pit... one sign of weakness... and you were eaten alive... and being a "nancy boy" followed some fellas around for years.. Luckly I was able to supress that human side of me... but... it buggered me up years later... when it counted... (oh well atleast I got to travel allot.,, and shoot realy big guns).. :lmao: True enough. I agree with the author of the book "Why Men Don't Get Enough Sex, and Women Don't Get Enough Love" in that thousands of years ago men and women were much more alike mentally and emotionally. That is until orgainzed warfare came into play. Back then armies weren't comprised of conscipts and draftees, but of brothers, uncles, first, second, and third cousins, fathers, close and dear friends, and brothers in law. One could not afford the luxary of "losing it" in battle just because he saw his brother, son, etc killed in battle. Thus the beginning of "manning up" Combat veterans and others that have experinced very stessfull and life trheating situations ~ cannot and will not discuss it with others that haven't experince the same or similar situation. There is simply no mutual point of comparrission by which the two can relate. Women can talk for hours and hours, if not days about being pregno, and giving birth ~ but this is a conversation that is seldom held if ever held between a man and a woman ~ simply because the man just has no framework of reference in which to relate to. (Sidebar ~ Women say that the most painful experince a human being can experience is childbirth! BS! Apparently, they've never zipped their privates up in a pair of Levi jeans. Trouble is once you've done that ~ you've got to back that sucker back down!!!!! In that one experince you're going to experince the full range of human emotion! and last but not least when you "get er' done! :bunny: :bunny: You surive that ~ YOU'RE A MAN!!! Link to post Share on other sites
Gunny376 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 A lot of the problem between men and women these days, is that the circumstances, the reality of the situation has change dramatically over the last sixty years. There's a saying in the military that: "We train for the next war, as if we were fighting the last war." Iraq is a whole different ballgame than Vietnam was. The War of Terror is not the same as fighting in Vietnam, Korea, Germany, Japan. The same thing is ture with marraige, relationships, men and women. We're still applying and working off "rules" myths, and fallacies about marriage, relationships, men and women etc from the forties, fifities etc. Hell the Victorian Age of over 100 years ago ~ where women supposely didn't and couldn't like sex. Is not that women don't like sex, its they don't like bad sex. And, the simple truth you take your average man, and he's totally and completely clueless about how to satisfy a woman sexually and has zero inclination to learn. Men and women aren't all that differnt IMHO. They're actually the same in a good 60 to 80% of the way. There's un-questionablly feminine traits, and masculine traits, and then there's human traits. A lot of what is crossing us up is "cultural and societial" induce conditioning. The proverbial "how a man is suppose to be, walk, talk, act, and be!" and the "way a woman is suppose to be, walk, talk, act, sit, behave" Truth be known its all so much BS! I'm a retied United States Marine Gunnery Sergeant. You know what? I cry! I cry all the time! I cry a lot! I see my "Brothers" killed, wounded, hurt in Iraq, ~ it tears me up! I know! I've been there in that place! It doesn't make me less of a man ~ it makes me more of a human being! I realize, appreciate, comprehend, and understand ~ that women have as a whole been serve up a plate of quadruple double whammy of s***, but you know what? So have men! Life's a struggle no matter who you are! I've said it before and I'll say if again, you can bet the Ranch that Bill Gates old lady isn't happy about something. Hell! Warren Buffet's wife left him, and he's worth 30 BILLION + dollars! WTF? Link to post Share on other sites
Porn_Guy Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 . Hell! Warren Buffet's wife left him, and he's worth 30 BILLION + dollars! WTF? have you SEEN Warren Buffet? He's an old coot. Link to post Share on other sites
PWSX3 Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 A lot of the problem between men and women these days, is that the circumstances, the reality of the situation has change dramatically over the last sixty years. There's a saying in the military that: "We train for the next war, as if we were fighting the last war." Iraq is a whole different ballgame than Vietnam was. The War of Terror is not the same as fighting in Vietnam, Korea, Germany, Japan. The same thing is ture with marraige, relationships, men and women. We're still applying and working off "rules" myths, and fallacies about marriage, relationships, men and women etc from the forties, fifities etc. Hell the Victorian Age of over 100 years ago ~ where women supposely didn't and couldn't like sex. Gunny, this is one area that I have some trouble with myself. Look at the girls now compared to 60 years ago, they are out playing baseball, basketball, doing all the things guys do. They dress like a guy with jeans and a T-shirt and they swear like a guy. I think for the woman they want to do all these things but still want the emotional part of a relationship and we as men might see them more as just one of the guys sometimes. One of my big hang ups is I would like to see woman dress up more often, act more like a lady. (see I'm looking in the past as they used to be but I'm working on it) but this is a new generation of females and we both male and female have to except the changes that are going on. Just like some guys are helping out more in the house, sharing the responsibility of housework. You didn't see that very often 60 years ago, but then you didn't see many woman working outside the house as well. Link to post Share on other sites
pricillia Posted January 7, 2007 Share Posted January 7, 2007 Well about a year ago... I would have said yes... Communication is not talking at.... and not listening.. it is the (SHARING) of information.. ...see I'm 'a' learnen.. oh my are we on the verge of having an enlightened male in our midst? I just think that glorios men communicate differtly then women I like the differences and would not want them to change... (all that much) Link to post Share on other sites
Author ilmw Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 oh my are we on the verge of having an enlightened male in our midst? I just think that glorios men communicate differtly then women I like the differences and would not want them to change... (all that much) ... Enlightened... that is something I don't think i have ever been called before. I agree about the differences... The problem is when we don't understand the differences and can't figure out why the opposite sex looks at us like we are mad! ... Link to post Share on other sites
Buttaflyy Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 ... Enlightened... that is something I don't think i have ever been called before. I agree about the differences... The problem is when we don't understand the differences and can't figure out why the opposite sex looks at us like we are mad! ... I'm thinking that we are all growing up and learning, excepting, and even appreciating each others differences. I expected this thread to be much longer. Link to post Share on other sites
Author ilmw Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 I'm thinking that we are all growing up and learning, excepting, and even appreciating each others differences. I expected this thread to be much longer. True.. on both counts.. I figure maybe... the topic is to light hearted... and mostfolks on this area of LS... are to deep in their own missory... that they can not or are unable to get the strength to even bother responding.. i know... several months ago.. I probably would not have responded to something like this... but with time we gather strength... and are able to see the bigger picture... starting to gain exceptance in what has happened in your life.. and learning you can't do realy anything about it...is a step forward.. and stepping forward is a very positive thing to do... ilmw Link to post Share on other sites
Buttaflyy Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 True.. on both counts.. I figure maybe... the topic is to light hearted... and mostfolks on this area of LS... are to deep in their own missory... that they can not or are unable to get the strength to even bother responding.. Actually, we've gotta thank GOD for small blessings . This subject has been done before. In fact, I started a thread on it and it got pretty ugly. It wasn't as light hearted, or light spirited as this one is. But then I realize that LS has lots of new and some different posters since then.This thread was cool and pleasant. i know... several months ago.. I probably would not have responded to something like this... but with time we gather strength... and are able to see the bigger picture... starting to gain exceptance in what has happened in your life.. and learning you can't do realy anything about it...is a step forward.. and stepping forward is a very positive thing to do... ilmw I'm always interested in the men are from mars, women are from venus debates. It's true what you said though, it's a learning process that can only allow us to better ourselves once we accept one another and learn what are differences really are. Link to post Share on other sites
MoonGirl Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Gunny, I certainly agree with your assessment regarding sex. I am a woman who would HAPPILY stay in bed ALL DAY with a man who is able to please me physically. But, unfortunately, I have not met one who has the capacity or interest. I am very cute, but for some reason, the only men I have ever dated, including my H, were basically Amish when it came to bedroom acts. They even thought it was ridiculous that I wanted to watch porn and use bedroom toys. Anyhow, I have to say that a man who was willing to learn to please me would be very fulfilled sexually. Otherwise, I would rather just please myself. If a man complains about lack of sex, he should certainly ask himself if he does anything in the bedroom to please his woman. Does he light candles? Offer foreplay? Interesting toys? A massage? Any man who would do all of this for me would be a very very happy man because I would do just about anything he wanted me to do: sex every day, cook, clean, iron his shirts, etc. No kidding! But, alas, I have never met this man. My H expected it all with providing me nothing at all. I sure hope my next SO is willing! Here's my general idea regarding the topic: No happy wife = no sex. And of course, it's a cycle. No sex = no happy husband. Link to post Share on other sites
Author ilmw Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 Gunny, I certainly agree with your assessment regarding sex. I am a woman who would HAPPILY stay in bed ALL DAY with a man who is able to please me physically. But, unfortunately, I have not met one who has the capacity or interest. I am very cute, but for some reason, the only men I have ever dated, including my H, were basically Amish when it came to bedroom acts. They even thought it was ridiculous that I wanted to watch porn and use bedroom toys. Anyhow, I have to say that a man who was willing to learn to please me would be very fulfilled sexually. Otherwise, I would rather just please myself. If a man complains about lack of sex, he should certainly ask himself if he does anything in the bedroom to please his woman. Does he light candles? Offer foreplay? Interesting toys? A massage? Any man who would do all of this for me would be a very very happy man because I would do just about anything he wanted me to do: sex every day, cook, clean, iron his shirts, etc. No kidding! But, alas, I have never met this man. My H expected it all with providing me nothing at all. I sure hope my next SO is willing! Here's my general idea regarding the topic: No happy wife = no sex. And of course, it's a cycle. No sex = no happy husband. Hmmmmm...... .... Interesting post... ...and thankyou for sharing... BTW what is your phone number... (kidding)... Link to post Share on other sites
Buttaflyy Posted January 9, 2007 Share Posted January 9, 2007 Hmmmmm...... .... Interesting post... ...and thankyou for sharing... BTW what is your phone number... (kidding)... While reading this I thought...she is every mans dream woman! Also, she pointed out pretty much what most women want too. We're not that understanding of one another after all. Link to post Share on other sites
Author ilmw Posted January 9, 2007 Author Share Posted January 9, 2007 While reading this I thought...she is every mans dream woman! Also, she pointed out pretty much what most women want too. We're not that understanding of one another after all. No kidding.. I for one was experimental..when singel... but with my wife...treated her different... I guess out of a twisted level of respect.. i should have treated more like my lover... than like the mother of my child in the bedroom... Although I was apparently still satisfying.. I know she would have like a little more adventure there... but I could not bring myself to do it... like I said... because of what I considered was respect..?? Live and learn.. Defintintion of a dream wife... An angel in public.. and slut in the bedroom:laugh: I guess it goes both ways.. Link to post Share on other sites
PWSX3 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Here's my general idea regarding the topic: No happy wife = no sex. And of course, it's a cycle. No sex = no happy husband. Someone told me this the other day; A HAPPY WIFE IS A HAPPY LIFE! And I have to say it probably works the other way with the husband but I don't know what rhymes. I think both men and woman want the same thing in life, its just we both go at it in a different direction so we don't see how the other person is getting to point "C" since we are on track "A" instead of track "B". Link to post Share on other sites
Buttaflyy Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Someone told me this the other day; A HAPPY WIFE IS A HAPPY LIFE! And I have to say it probably works the other way with the husband but I don't know what rhymes. "Life is bubbly with a cuddly hubby! -Buttaflyy That was so corny I make myself sick! Link to post Share on other sites
PWSX3 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 "Life is bubbly with a cuddly hubby! -Buttaflyy That was so corny I make myself sick! I have to say you did a lot better job at it then I would have done. I guess I said it wrong; A happy wife makes for a HAPPY LIFE but I was close from just memory. Link to post Share on other sites
Dad_of_3 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Hmmmm ... shame I didnt jump onto this thread earlier. To understand a woman ? What laws of nature was broken to achieve that ? Jokes! :lmao::lmao::lmao::lmao: From my perspective, experience and opinion. You don't. Men tend to look for behaviour and take it based on that. One thing I have tried to do, and still struggle to, is trying to look past the behaviour or what is said. There is always something underlying. Its not that games are being played. Its just how society and human nature has played out. Men play as many games as women play. Its when people grow up and understand that the journey isnt all about that we truly experience connection. Dont get me wrong, people who dont grow up and you are happy with that, then by all means go right ahead. Each and every one is unique and different in there own way. Take it as it comes, assumption is always nothing more than a smoke screen for your own insecurities. Hope this makes sense ... LOL Link to post Share on other sites
MoonGirl Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 ilmw, haha! Dad_of_3 I agree that many men play games. I'm a no-nonsense type of person, so I was caught off guard by game-playing. I simply don't understand the point of it. That's why it took me 4 years to figure out that my husband was emotionally/verbally abusive (the eventual physical abuse is what woke me up). I know it sounds insane, but, really, for someone who never even THINKS about screwing with someone else's head for my own benefit/pleasure, I just don't get it. In the end, most people who play mind games get burned. It's just too bad they also hurt innocent people in the process. Although many men play games, I have seen many more of the women around me play games. After what I've been through, I find these mind games so potentially dangerous and disgusting. Someone who truly loves you should never play mind games with you (IMHO). Instead of playing games, I simply prefer to put all the cards on the table. I'm no longer concerned about feeling or seeming weak. My god, if I have to worry about how I might appear to other people (image) or how to control other people to get what I want (power), then I simply need to rethink what I am doing with my life. I don't give a rats azz what other people think of me anymore. Of course I work out, wear make-up, etc to look my best to eventually find that nice professional non-abusive monogamous sex-maniac I desire. In a philosophical sense, one could argue that these actions affect my image and allow me to have power in a potential relationship...but I don't think these actions qualify as mind games. Anyhow, not to generalize too much, but I think that if a man is willing to give a MATURE woman what she desires, his woman will give her man what he desires. MATURE is the keyword here, since women who enjoy the hunt, chasing, mind games, etc may or may not respond to your ability to be romantic, honest, and your attempts to give them what they desire (a non-mature woman might not even know what she wants). It should be easy to ascertain what a mature woman wants because she will tell you. Perhaps the same goes for a mature well-balanced man. I sure hope so! Link to post Share on other sites
Gunny376 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 A lot of the problem is that boy meets, girl, gril meets boy, that have attractions toward one another, then infatuation, then attachment. Then they get busy with their day to day lives, work, raising children, etc. They try to have too much too soon, try to get marrid, work full time jobs, finish their degrees, buy a house, have and raise children. Easy credit to include student loans, and before you know it you're up to your eyeballs in stess, un-happiness, debt, dirty dishes and diapers. The wife and husband are too tired, too stressed. They soon forget the reason that set out to drain this swamp called "marriage" because they're up to their necks in alligators, snakes, and all other kinds of other "wouldbegogs" To add insult to injury, 80% of all Americans are one paycheck away from a refrigerator crsis, and two months away from being homeless. There's not any emergency savings, no "oh my gosh" fund. I know from experince, if your wife / SO is stressed out about money and finances, you can just about forget about sex and intimacy. Its not that women don't like sex, its that they don't like bad sex. and most men are really bad at it. To the point where the woman is made to feel like a whore, or worse that he's just using her vagina to masturbate with. Yet your average man would never think of reading a book on: Intimacy Inter-gender communication Seducation Romance Gender diferrences Becoming a better lover How to cook, and help around the house Massage One of the problems that I've had with women, is in getting them to just be affectionate, with the understanding that I know that doesn't mean a roll in the hay. Men need touch, affection just as much as women want it. But so many have been conditioned that touch = sex. Sometimes? But if you put value in it and to it, you know it doesn't come that easy, you've got to work for it. I think more men would be more successful if they understood that a lot of women want good satisfying sex multiple times per session, rather than everyday. (Everyone's different) Some resources: Hellen Kreidman's "Light Her Fire" "Light His Fire" "How Can We Light A Fire When The Kids Are Driving Us Crazy?" Penny Rich "Pamper Your Partner" About massage Alexandra Stoddard's "Living Beautifully Together" Harold Bloomfield, M.D, and Sirah Vettesse Ph.D "Lifemates, The Love Fitness Program For A Lasting Relationship" Asa Sparks "The Two Minute Lover" Building Successful Relationships In A Fast Past World Drs. Jordan & Maragaret Paul "Do I Have To Give Up Me, To Be Loved By You? Gregory J. P. Godek "Romance 101, Lesson In Love" "1001 Ways To Be Romantic" "1001 More Ways To Be Romantic" Brenda Venus "Secrets of Seduction" Hugh and Gayle Praher "Notes To Each Other" Naura Hayden "How To Satisfy A Woman EVERY TIME........and have her beg for more. (Despiste the title ~ accutally a very informative book for men) Lou Padget "How To Give Her Absolute Pleasure" (Very infomrative book about sex) Link to post Share on other sites
MoonGirl Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 Where do you live, Gunny? Link to post Share on other sites
Gunny376 Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 One thing I can absolutely stand up and testify about is that no man should ever allow himself to be drawn into a verbal sparring match wth a woman ~ he's going to loose just about everytime. Your typical woman uses between 4-5 thousand words a day, compared to your typical man's of about 2-3 thousand a day. Nothing more illustrates this than the late Richard Pryor: Pryor: (To wife leaving him) Go ahead B*tch! Leave! See if I care! I'm going to go find me a new woman!" Wife: If you had two more inches, you could have found a new woman here! Pryor: No! No! I know tha' lovin' was good! You kept scremmin' my name!" Wife: I kept screamin' your name to keep from laughing in your face!" :o :o Link to post Share on other sites
Buttaflyy Posted January 10, 2007 Share Posted January 10, 2007 One thing I can absolutely stand up and testify about is that no man should ever allow himself to be drawn into a verbal sparring match wth a woman ~ he's going to loose just about everytime. Your typical woman uses between 4-5 thousand words a day, compared to your typical man's of about 2-3 thousand a day. Nothing more illustrates this than the late Richard Pryor: Pryor: (To wife leaving him) Go ahead B*tch! Leave! See if I care! I'm going to go find me a new woman!" Wife: If you had two more inches, you could have found a new woman here! Pryor: No! No! I know tha' lovin' was good! You kept scremmin' my name!" Wife: I kept screamin' your name to keep from laughing in your face!" :o :o very good gunny! btw! Your my hero! Link to post Share on other sites
anna13 Posted January 12, 2007 Share Posted January 12, 2007 women think way to much and men are way too honest lol . Link to post Share on other sites
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