Celll phone locater and my discovery

[outofdarkness]

Thanks for the replies...I can't write a long one today...busy day..I agree w/ what both of you said, except the fact that in my prior posts I did indeed state that ONE of the reasons that I chose to stay and work on the M was b/c of a chronically ill child..I ALSO clearly said that I do love him...Hope this is still in the posts...

 

I am trying to loosen up and let go and be at peace w/ my decision to stay...It is easier said then done, but I am trying. As I said earlier, I do go through rough patches every time he travels to Chicago and the coffee houses are an issue too, but I am trying to communicate these things to him using the tools we've been given and will bring them up again at MC...I guess it's time to focus on me for a change...Thanks for the encouragement...

[outofdarkness]

Thanks for the replies...I can't write a long one today...busy day..I agree w/ what both of you said, except the fact that in my prior posts I did indeed state that ONE of the reasons that I chose to stay and work on the M was b/c of a chronically ill child..I ALSO clearly said that I do love him...Hope this is still in the posts...

 

I am trying to loosen up and let go and be at peace w/ my decision to stay...It is easier said then done, but I am trying. As I said earlier, I do go through rough patches every time he travels to Chicago and the coffee houses are an issue too, but I am trying to communicate these things to him using the tools we've been given and will bring them up again at MC...I guess it's time to focus on me for a change...Thanks for the encouragement...

Just a quick update. The whole GPS thing did give me one valuable piece of info or rather proof. It gave me the same exact address when I did a check today... right down to the apt# where my H's main 10 year OW lives currently...Guess it's good for something..Now...what to do? I don't know. Confrontation? Don't think this is a good idea right now at all...Our son is still sick and I can't imagine upsetting him right now..No..I think I will wait and watch and listen to see what else comes up. His attitude is not good..my best indicator. For those who will tell me just to shut up about it..I can't b/c my situation isn't black and white...Some know that, some don't....

[outofdarkness]

I just posted an update for those interested..

[a4a]

Just a quick update. The whole GPS thing did give me one valuable piece of info or rather proof. It gave me the same exact address when I did a check today... right down to the apt# where my H's main 10 year OW lives currently...Guess it's good for something..Now...what to do? I don't know. Confrontation? Don't think this is a good idea right now at all...Our son is still sick and I can't imagine upsetting him right now..No..I think I will wait and watch and listen to see what else comes up. His attitude is not good..my best indicator. For those who will tell me just to shut up about it..I can't b/c my situation isn't black and white...Some know that, some don't....

 

Don't say a word to him......that means you need to shut up!

 

Sorry he is doing this again. Obviously he is seeing her. Hire that PI get your ducks in a row and get the hell out of this farce of a marriage.

 

Obviously he is seeing her...... right? So get some hard proof, get an attorney and you have to eventually move on with your life.

 

He is still lying to you, he is still seeing here. I mean come on him at her address..... why???

[NoIDidn't]

Just a quick update. The whole GPS thing did give me one valuable piece of info or rather proof. It gave me the same exact address when I did a check today... right down to the apt# where my H's main 10 year OW lives currently...Guess it's good for something..Now...what to do? I don't know. Confrontation? Don't think this is a good idea right now at all...Our son is still sick and I can't imagine upsetting him right now..No..I think I will wait and watch and listen to see what else comes up. His attitude is not good..my best indicator. For those who will tell me just to shut up about it..I can't b/c my situation isn't black and white...Some know that, some don't....

 

Because I am a fairly resolute and absolute kind of person.....

 

I would call her and confirm whether or not she was still seeing my H. I would tell her up front that this is just for information, not a confrontation, not to argue or anything. I just need to know if you are still involved with my H, Yes or No. If she answers "Yes", I say "thank you, I appreciate you answering my question. Have a good one." And then I would hang up the phone.

 

I would then contact my old lawyer (you did say you contacted one before) and start the paperwork on my D.

 

I wouldn't want any answers. No more counselling. No more trying to understand why. Because at the end of the day, I am still being lied to and I don't tolerate lying or liars well AT ALL.

 

Now, if she answered "No". I ask her is that the absolute truth because I have proof that he has been to her place and want to know if she is aware of that (the fact that he at least drove by - would be my insinuation). If she sticks with her "No", I would leave it at that and give the two of them enough rope to hang themselves. I would tell her something juicy enough that she will want to repeat it to him (something that he doesn't know of course) and wait to see if it comes back to me in some fashion (which it will because cheaters are VERY predictable).

 

If he is acting like he did when he was in the As, chances are he is in another one.

 

Don't know if this helps, but this is what *I* would do. It doesn't sound like your sitch is getting any better.

[whichwayisup]

Just a quick update. The whole GPS thing did give me one valuable piece of info or rather proof. It gave me the same exact address when I did a check today... right down to the apt# where my H's main 10 year OW lives currently...Guess it's good for something..Now...what to do? I don't know. Confrontation? Don't think this is a good idea right now at all...Our son is still sick and I can't imagine upsetting him right now..No..I think I will wait and watch and listen to see what else comes up. His attitude is not good..my best indicator. For those who will tell me just to shut up about it..I can't b/c my situation isn't black and white...Some know that, some don't....

 

You are putting your son's needs first, so that is good. I say, hold on to what you know, don't say anything yet.

 

Stop having sex with your H, start detaching emotionally and distance yourself from him, it will make the transition easier for you down the road......

 

Judging from his past behaviour, the red flags now that you are seeing and having the GPS info, does show that the possibility of something happening is pretty much there...BUT, until you get absolute solid proof, like pictures or recorded phone calls, emails - Something - (this is where hiring a PI comes into play) don't react quite yet.

 

I feel for you and I know this is the last thing you want to happen, a divorce because I can tell how much you love your husband, even with all his faults and all the bad choices he's made...The love is there, but you can't live on that love, with no trust and no faith in him. HE is the one who has killed the marriage by not fixing himself and not wanting to stop cheating and sneaking around.

 

He has tons of problems and issues HE has to sort out with counselling, but none of it will change unless he wants to...Actions speak louder than words, sadly his actions do show you what is he still capable of. Yuk...

 

Stay strong and do what you can to get through all this. PM me if you need anything.

[outofdarkness]

You are putting your son's needs first, so that is good. I say, hold on to what you know, don't say anything yet.

 

Stop having sex with your H, start detaching emotionally and distance yourself from him, it will make the transition easier for you down the road......

 

Judging from his past behaviour, the red flags now that you are seeing and having the GPS info, does show that the possibility of something happening is pretty much there...BUT, until you get absolute solid proof, like pictures or recorded phone calls, emails - Something - (this is where hiring a PI comes into play) don't react quite yet.

 

I feel for you and I know this is the last thing you want to happen, a divorce because I can tell how much you love your husband, even with all his faults and all the bad choices he's made...The love is there, but you can't live on that love, with no trust and no faith in him. HE is the one who has killed the marriage by not fixing himself and not wanting to stop cheating and sneaking around.

 

He has tons of problems and issues HE has to sort out with counselling, but none of it will change unless he wants to...Actions speak louder than words, sadly his actions do show you what is he still capable of. Yuk...

 

Stay strong and do what you can to get through all this. PM me if you need anything.

Thanks...i am outdone w/ him..he's accusing me of sending some sort of invites to all of his old aol ow's last month. he admitted to one calling him this morning to tell him about it...havn't asked how he knew the others were sent these stupid invites..how would he know if he had not been on aol or heard from them and why would I do something like that. he's really bugging me..i took the phone off the hook and blocked his e mail for now. he knows he can call the kids on their cells if he wants to..i don't want to talk to him..he 's out of town in chicago...and i'm glad!!! he's gone all next week too...i'm happy about that too...

[outofdarkness]

Because I am a fairly resolute and absolute kind of person.....

 

I would call her and confirm whether or not she was still seeing my H. I would tell her up front that this is just for information, not a confrontation, not to argue or anything. I just need to know if you are still involved with my H, Yes or No. If she answers "Yes", I say "thank you, I appreciate you answering my question. Have a good one." And then I would hang up the phone.

 

I would then contact my old lawyer (you did say you contacted one before) and start the paperwork on my D.

 

I wouldn't want any answers. No more counselling. No more trying to understand why. Because at the end of the day, I am still being lied to and I don't tolerate lying or liars well AT ALL.

 

Now, if she answered "No". I ask her is that the absolute truth because I have proof that he has been to her place and want to know if she is aware of that (the fact that he at least drove by - would be my insinuation). If she sticks with her "No", I would leave it at that and give the two of them enough rope to hang themselves. I would tell her something juicy enough that she will want to repeat it to him (something that he doesn't know of course) and wait to see if it comes back to me in some fashion (which it will because cheaters are VERY predictable).

 

If he is acting like he did when he was in the As, chances are he is in another one.

 

Don't know if this helps, but this is what *I* would do. It doesn't sound like your sitch is getting any better.

no, it's not..i don't have the guts to talk to her again..i think it would put me in a tailspin. if they want to be together so bad, i will make sure they are at the right time...yes, i do have an attorney, yes, i do plan to update him, but i can't do anything rash right now due to circumstances beyond my control. They're not permenant, but it seems like it's getting worst, so i'm losing hope that things will ever get better ..I'm rambling, sorry, just really tired.

[2sunny]

While he is gone - you have work to do...

 

move any money you can get your hands on to a SEPARATE bank acct.

 

change the locks on the doors and the pass codes to the garage and opener.

 

change all the passwords on ANY bank accts you have together - to a password that he would NEVER think of (I used my best friend's name).

 

see an attorney and get the proceedings started.

 

you need to be proactive.

 

he is not helping you care for your son - or worried one bit about the best interest in the family - he's out!

 

PS if you think I'm being harsh - I too, was faced with this situation almost two years ago - and did exactly what I outlined for you.

 

i am glad I did because I was in a position of not wondering anymore (after 20 years of marriage) if he was being faithful. like your H - mine also had a first chance of forgiveness - but chose to do it again.

 

i alo have my self respect.

 

i do still love him - in a way - but i deserve more than a cheating husband that will disrespect and disregard his family.

 

i am sorry - but you have alot to accomplish before he gets home!

 

pm me if you need to... (((( hugs ))))

[Guest]

didn't you need your husband's approval to check his whereabouts with gps?

 

so he was letting you know while he drove to the ow?

[outofdarkness]

While he is gone - you have work to do...

 

move any money you can get your hands on to a SEPARATE bank acct.

 

change the locks on the doors and the pass codes to the garage and opener.

 

change all the passwords on ANY bank accts you have together - to a password that he would NEVER think of (I used my best friend's name).

 

see an attorney and get the proceedings started.

 

you need to be proactive.

 

he is not helping you care for your son - or worried one bit about the best interest in the family - he's out!

 

PS if you think I'm being harsh - I too, was faced with this situation almost two years ago - and did exactly what I outlined for you.

 

i am glad I did because I was in a position of not wondering anymore (after 20 years of marriage) if he was being faithful. like your H - mine also had a first chance of forgiveness - but chose to do it again.

 

i alo have my self respect.

 

i do still love him - in a way - but i deserve more than a cheating husband that will disrespect and disregard his family.

 

i am sorry - but you have alot to accomplish before he gets home!

 

pm me if you need to... (((( hugs ))))

Thanks for all of your suggestions on what needs to be done. Unfortunately, he returns tomorrow, but he will be gone all next week..There is very little that I can do right now to cause a big stir due to our son's illness. I do plan however, to get started immediately in finding some good hard proof and checking in w/ my attorney...This is a start..Thanks for the hugs and advice..

[whichwayisup]

Don't let him sucker you into a fight. Just down play it and act like you couldn't give a shiitt what he doing either way. You need to keep your composure and be calm. Don't let him press your buttons!!

 

Good that you have a lawyer on hand.

 

I hope your son feels better too.

[outofdarkness]

didn't you need your husband's approval to check his whereabouts with gps?

 

so he was letting you know while he drove to the ow?

Because the account is in his name, he does have to give his approval for his phone to be tracked when he signed up for this extra service, and he is sent a text when the phone has been tracked...BUT he never knows when I will "track" him and does not turn his phone off or he knows that I will know something is up...Also, all of his business contacts know this number, so he takes it with him everywhere. I have checked at random times and sometimes go a long period of time w/ out checking it..He gets lazy...He has also used the excuse that the phones postion can be trasmitted from the nearet cell tower rather then GPS...BUT the locator shows me the degree of accuracy w/ a legend...I have tracked him many times and been given his work address, or other locals where he is where he says he's been...This local was given as the highest accuracy and the locator gave me the exact street address right down to the street number...I then did a background check on this OW, which I have not done since right around D day some years back. I had no idea that she was living in this local only a couple of blocks from his office. Knowing her address history, I have seen her move around according to where it's easiest to see him. For example, when we moved to a suburb of our city, she immediately moved there to "spend more time w/ a step brother who needed her help...I hope I've answered your question...The address matches are exact...and I have printed the report. This is solid proof right there...If it were just a low accuracy check, then I could buy into his theory but the addresses match exactly; I mean the locator service and the background check that I ran on her..which shows this as being her most recent address.

[outofdarkness]

Don't let him sucker you into a fight. Just down play it and act like you couldn't give a shiitt what he doing either way. You need to keep your composure and be calm. Don't let him press your buttons!!

 

Good that you have a lawyer on hand.

 

I hope your son feels better too.

Thanks for the support..

[Guest]

Because the account is in his name, he does have to give his approval for his phone to be tracked when he signed up for this extra service, and he is sent a text when the phone has been tracked...BUT he never knows when I will "track" him and does not turn his phone off or he knows that I will know something is up...Also, all of his business contacts know this number, so he takes it with him everywhere. I have checked at random times and sometimes go a long period of time w/ out checking it..He gets lazy...He has also used the excuse that the phones postion can be trasmitted from the nearet cell tower rather then GPS...BUT the locator shows me the degree of accuracy w/ a legend...I have tracked him many times and been given his work address, or other locals where he is where he says he's been...This local was given as the highest accuracy and the locator gave me the exact street address right down to the street number...I then did a background check on this OW, which I have not done since right around D day some years back. I had no idea that she was living in this local only a couple of blocks from his office. Knowing her address history, I have seen her move around according to where it's easiest to see him. For example, when we moved to a suburb of our city, she immediately moved there to "spend more time w/ a step brother who needed her help...I hope I've answered your question...The address matches are exact...and I have printed the report. This is solid proof right there...If it were just a low accuracy check, then I could buy into his theory but the addresses match exactly; I mean the locator service and the background check that I ran on her..which shows this as being her most recent address.

 

 

i am not questioning. if anything, as a woman, i feel very sorry for you for marrying a serial cheater.

 

just thought a serial cheater wouldn't be so stupid to go to ow's house knowing the wife is checking.

 

be strong. you are in my prayer.

[IfWishesWereHorses]

God, you've had no sleep. I'm so sorry that you are going through this. Forget the legal aspects. You have all of the proof YOU need with the gps thing. I wouldn't worry so much about the old OW on the aol thing. If he is back with MOW then any other OW are probably new because the chase is part of his high.

 

The first step in accepting and living with the circumstances you are in is to understand completely that this is NOT about you. HE is broken. It has nothing to do w ith whether he loves you, it has EVERYTHING to do iwth the fact that he WILL never be any different, never be able to love like that. When it sinks in you will pitty him. No other woman will ever have anything different with him than you have ever had so while your at it you can pitty them also. So, his constant betrayal has no more to do with YOU than your son's illness does. Its simply a terribly unfortunate situation but one you can't change.

 

Secondly... I have said on here before when BS's have been accused of continuing to check on WH after D day to prove that he is still cheating, that they are actually trying to proove that he is NOT cheating. They still have HOPE which is why they are still there. THE HOPE HAS TO GO... replace it with acceptance. You can hope all day that it doesn't rain but when it does you've got to accept it and move the picnic inside.

 

Thirdly... if you are going to stay for the time being THEN you've gotta start working on OOD. THAT's someone you can fix. You've got to be able to realize and confront the self distructive behaviors that this tailspin has sent you into and work your way out of those. The coping strategies you learned when you quit drinking should help if you can apply those. I KNOW YOU ARE HURT AND ANGRY. If these things become a way of life then they are more detrimental than the alcohol was. As much as noone else could fix that for you, noone else can fix this.

 

I hope you get through this weekend with him and ENJOY your week with out him. There is enormous relief in taking back the power of your own happiness and self worth, once you own it, no one can take it away from you!

 

Hugs, sorry you had such a bad night.

[outofdarkness]

God, you've had no sleep. I'm so sorry that you are going through this. Forget the legal aspects. You have all of the proof YOU need with the gps thing. I wouldn't worry so much about the old OW on the aol thing. If he is back with MOW then any other OW are probably new because the chase is part of his high.

 

The first step in accepting and living with the circumstances you are in is to understand completely that this is NOT about you. HE is broken. It has nothing to do w ith whether he loves you, it has EVERYTHING to do iwth the fact that he WILL never be any different, never be able to love like that. When it sinks in you will pitty him. No other woman will ever have anything different with him than you have ever had so while your at it you can pitty them also. So, his constant betrayal has no more to do with YOU than your son's illness does. Its simply a terribly unfortunate situation but one you can't change.

 

Secondly... I have said on here before when BS's have been accused of continuing to check on WH after D day to prove that he is still cheating, that they are actually trying to proove that he is NOT cheating. They still have HOPE which is why they are still there. THE HOPE HAS TO GO... replace it with acceptance. You can hope all day that it doesn't rain but when it does you've got to accept it and move the picnic inside.

 

Thirdly... if you are going to stay for the time being THEN you've gotta start working on OOD. THAT's someone you can fix. You've got to be able to realize and confront the self distructive behaviors that this tailspin has sent you into and work your way out of those. The coping strategies you learned when you quit drinking should help if you can apply those. I KNOW YOU ARE HURT AND ANGRY. If these things become a way of life then they are more detrimental than the alcohol was. As much as noone else could fix that for you, noone else can fix this.

 

I hope you get through this weekend with him and ENJOY your week with out him. There is enormous relief in taking back the power of your own happiness and self worth, once you own it, no one can take it away from you!

 

Hugs, sorry you had such a bad night.

Thanks for the encouragement. I did get some sleep last night AFTER one of those annoying hang up calls...Anyway, I am feeling more clear headed and able to deal w/ stuff. He comes back today, not tom..ugh...Oh well it is what it is right now and I have to be methodical and take one step at a time..You are absolutely right about taking care of myself, and I think that is what I'm trying to do...The first step was to admit to myself; with ya'll help, that I was in denial and needed to accept...The rest will follow in time...but they will be done...I am most likely going PM now b/c I think he may have been on LS...Things seemed so good earlier that he was even interested in posting...I thought as a MM NOT cheating, but I think it should have been MM cheating! So..he knows my user and I suspect has signed on as guest once of twice..don't know for sure, but don't know why he wouldn't...Also, do you or anyone else know anything about the buddy list thing? How does it work? Do you have to ask the person if they want to be your buddy? I really don't know much about the whole buddy thing, but was interested..Does everyone have buddy capability??? Thanks again IWWH!!!! I am going to give you some cyber hugs since I recently learned of them when another poster gave ME some (((hugs))))

[frannie]

OK so people cannot change. I am glad you finally sent me that memo. Wonder why I never got it!

 

It is my understanding that she wanted the GPS and he agreed and is paying for it. Not only would he be an ass but a fool to cheat.

 

Come on--if you are of the cheating ilk, are you really going to accept and tolerate someone tracking your every move. This is like people on house arrest. And while on house arrest, they do not commit crimes--look at the statistics.

 

I am not condoning what he did in the past. But I am saying that if she is willing to have him back in her life--she has to let him back in her life.

 

Once a cheater always a cheater. Once a fat ass always a fat ass. Once a liar always a liar. When did all this come to be fact?

 

It's no more fact that the idea that just because he got caught he suddenly changes and now has no intention of cheating. My point was that we can't know (but of course it was also a comment on the 'truisms' that get batted around this forum).

 

Yes, of course people can change. If they want to, and if they work hard at it. But to assume someone changed because they agreed to having a tracking device on them is a little naive, jmho. I mean, what else could he have done..? Said ok, well I can't change, and you will have to put up with it..? Bye bye wife and children. WHO is going to do that?

[sadbuttrue]

OOD, i am sorry you are still dealing with this. i have not been on here in a few days, and i had hoped maybe things had resolved for you, but it sounds like it is getting worse.

 

i hope you are doing ok and that you can do what you need to do to make things right for you. you should be happy and not have to worry about what your husband is doing. good luck

[NoIDidn't]

Thanks for the encouragement. I did get some sleep last night AFTER one of those annoying hang up calls...Anyway, I am feeling more clear headed and able to deal w/ stuff. He comes back today, not tom..ugh...Oh well it is what it is right now and I have to be methodical and take one step at a time..You are absolutely right about taking care of myself, and I think that is what I'm trying to do...The first step was to admit to myself; with ya'll help, that I was in denial and needed to accept...The rest will follow in time...but they will be done...I am most likely going PM now b/c I think he may have been on LS...Things seemed so good earlier that he was even interested in posting...I thought as a MM NOT cheating, but I think it should have been MM cheating! So..he knows my user and I suspect has signed on as guest once of twice..don't know for sure, but don't know why he wouldn't...Also, do you or anyone else know anything about the buddy list thing? How does it work? Do you have to ask the person if they want to be your buddy? I really don't know much about the whole buddy thing, but was interested..Does everyone have buddy capability??? Thanks again IWWH!!!! I am going to give you some cyber hugs since I recently learned of them when another poster gave ME some (((hugs))))

 

 

OOD

 

That totally sucks big eggs. You can always PM me if you need to. I stay up pretty late too, but I'm just a night owl.

 

You don't have to ask a person to be your buddy. You can just add them if you want to and its a valid user of AOL.

 

I'm so sorry ((((OOD))))

[frannie]

OOD, sorry I'm not reading this forum all that much these days, and I posted my previous post before getting near the end of your thread.

 

OK, so now you know he's probably still seeing that one woman at least. I suppose there are mixed emotions there for you. Sorry you're going through this and I suppose you don't want to hear this now but this is probably the best outcome you could have had, given that he sounded like a no-hoper serial cheater all along.

 

Sorry, OOD, I can't really express how I feel.

[outofdarkness]

Well..he came home, and quickly unpacked his bag and dumped it in the hamper and checked his mail slot and left w/ his sports mag...Didn't speak to anyone..just left. I know the other issues, but on top of that, we have to buy a new car, and he's mad about it b/c we just had to buy one. One has 130k on it and has been recalled and has major repairs needed, the other is a 95 and is not running. So..he's driving the one that's been recalled and I'm driving myself and the kids in the new one. Our daughter is about to get her license,and he's mad that we need another car. I want it to be safe and dependable and something that she will have for a long time...Beyond college, first job, etc..I want her to have the sense of comfort and safety that I didn't have and that's part of it. AND..our son is just 11 months behind her...so now he's REALLY pissed...Not that he'll be able to drive b/c he's sick but...

 

Just venting....know he's probably reading this, but I don't care...Thanks for reading this...

[outofdarkness]

Have you done a directory search on the address? Maybe it will give you a name and number?

 

That really sucks. I'm sorry you're going through that.

Wish I HAD done an internet check on this address back at that time on his main OW...it would have instantly told me that the address on the locator was her new address. I just didn't think to do one, as I had done one 6 or seven months ago, and it showed no changes in address, etc...and it's expensive to do those checks...

[2sunny]

Well..he came home, and quickly unpacked his bag and dumped it in the hamper and checked his mail slot and left w/ his sports mag...Didn't speak to anyone..just left. I know the other issues, but on top of that, we have to buy a new car, and he's mad about it b/c we just had to buy one. One has 130k on it and has been recalled and has major repairs needed, the other is a 95 and is not running. So..he's driving the one that's been recalled and I'm driving myself and the kids in the new one. Our daughter is about to get her license,and he's mad that we need another car. I want it to be safe and dependable and something that she will have for a long time...Beyond college, first job, etc..I want her to have the sense of comfort and safety that I didn't have and that's part of it. AND..our son is just 11 months behind her...so now he's REALLY pissed...Not that he'll be able to drive b/c he's sick but...

 

Just venting....know he's probably reading this, but I don't care...Thanks for reading this...

 

 

Well - I am a gal that is normally up late too - so you can pm me if you are up late - I also should be 3 hours behind your time zone...

 

The laundry??? DON'T do it! Leave it for him to do...

If he asks why - just say - I am busy and don't feel like it - or don't have the time or energy - you do it yourself. You are a big boy who seems to have time for other things.

 

The car situation. I would suck his sorry a$$ for anything you can! Take him for a ride like he has to you! I mean it! I am not normal a vindictive person - but geez, this guy takes the cake when it comes to balls and being a complete self centered *********. Ask for cars, new clothes for the kids, jewelry... I bet the OW gets more from him than you do! If he doesn't give it to you - then go buy it yourself and let him suffer the consequences. Who cares how he feels anyway... he has not considered how you or your kids feel! Only about himself.

 

He also hasn't tried to repair the relationship/marriage at all. This indicates that he is not at all remorseful. Hence the continued cheating - he is probably justifying his reasons for cheating or doesn't have any conscience at all (this is even worse).

 

I hope he is reading this. I hope he pm's me! He needs a wakeup call. Why don't you just call the OW and tell her that she can have his sorry a$$. Pack his bags (including the dirty laundry - no pun intended) and leave it all by the front door.

 

Makes my exH seem like a gem (which he wasn't)... he tried to justify his cheating - everyone that knows us just laughs at him and responds with "you expect me to believe that when I have known her for 25 years?" "You are a bigger fool than I thought!"

 

What a jerk he is!

[outofdarkness]

Well - I am a gal that is normally up late too - so you can pm me if you are up late - I also should be 3 hours behind your time zone...

 

The laundry??? DON'T do it! Leave it for him to do...

If he asks why - just say - I am busy and don't feel like it - or don't have the time or energy - you do it yourself. You are a big boy who seems to have time for other things.

 

The car situation. I would suck his sorry a$$ for anything you can! Take him for a ride like he has to you! I mean it! I am not normal a vindictive person - but geez, this guy takes the cake when it comes to balls and being a complete self centered *********. Ask for cars, new clothes for the kids, jewelry... I bet the OW gets more from him than you do! If he doesn't give it to you - then go buy it yourself and let him suffer the consequences. Who cares how he feels anyway... he has not considered how you or your kids feel! Only about himself.

 

He also hasn't tried to repair the relationship/marriage at all. This indicates that he is not at all remorseful. Hence the continued cheating - he is probably justifying his reasons for cheating or doesn't have any conscience at all (this is even worse).

 

I hope he is reading this. I hope he pm's me! He needs a wakeup call. Why don't you just call the OW and tell her that she can have his sorry a$$. Pack his bags (including the dirty laundry - no pun intended) and leave it all by the front door.

 

Makes my exH seem like a gem (which he wasn't)... he tried to justify his cheating - everyone that knows us just laughs at him and responds with "you expect me to believe that when I have known her for 25 years?" "You are a bigger fool than I thought!"

 

What a jerk he is!

see my post under The Twilight Zone thread in Infidelity..I just made a post that pretty much expresses how I feel today...REALLY ANGRY