God made us to be like HIM?

[lonelybird]

Take a look at where the catholic church is getting their new members... They are places where the overall education levels of people are not particularly good.

 

Science and statistics are based on on empirical evidence not anecdotal. "your neck of the woods" and "some guy you know" are not significant.

You are pride:D . what's wrong with those who have low level education?

[Love Hurts]

I don't have any either.

A secret that had to be explained to you by someone else. Someone had to translate your book for you, and show the parts to read that led to your decision to embrace Jesus. Also, there are as many interpretations of what it takes to be saved as their are Christians, apparently.

Wouldn't you expect a book that is inspired by god to be the easiest book to understand, out of all of them? If the Holy Spirit will guide someone who earnestly wants to know god to know the book in the correct way, why are there so many different sects? Are Catholics less earnestly devout than Lutherans, or Baptists?

And Jesus lives, yet you have never seen him, nor has anyone else alive on Earth today. Since you already are a believer, why doesn't he show himself to you? I mean, I could see him not showing himself to me, since I doubt, but you don't. So why not just appear to you?

Moai.

 

Yes the Bible was translated… until I could grasp it better through salvation...the greatest teaching of the Bible or the Heart of the Bible is one thing only… It teaches us soul Salvation…

it teaches the Why?Christ died on the cross = No man

gets to the Father in Heaven but by or through the Son.

How do we do that?

 

Through Salvation… What’s that?

 

This is where Faith comes in. How much Faith is needed? Not the magnitude of an ocean but the size of a grain of a mustard seed.

Faith that He does exist that Jesus did indeed die on the Cross His blood shed… that who so ever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

 

That is what I gathered of the greatest importance… if not to

look at Salvation then Christ was a suicide lunatic…

 

See there is no other way to Heaven in our eternity.

If we cannot find Jesus as we live and breathe on earth.

We will never find Jesus.

 

Jesus did not die in vain. How difficult is it to find Jesus?

 

You’re on the right track, you in your own way seeking information…

One day by Faith … of heart believe inviting Him into your heart

to be your Lord and Savior... Its what he died for… for us...

 

He counted us worthy enough to die for.

Jesus spoke in parables.

Parables: The language of sheep.

 

Matthew 13:13 Therefore speak I to them in parables:

because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.

 

14 And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias,

which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not

understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:

 

15 For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their

ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed;

lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear

with their ears, and should understand with their heart,

and should be converted, and I should heal them.

 

16 But blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears,

for they hear.

 

17 For verily I say unto you, That many prophets and righteous

men have desired to see those things which ye see,

and have not seen them;

and to hear those things which ye hear, and have not heard them.

 

18 Hear ye therefore the parable of the sower.

 

So many denominations… man has added to and taken away from…

In the maze of mess we have created… One thing will never

change…The only way to Jesus is through Salvation…we can

read and study all we like.

 

Knowledge… Salvation opens your ears and eyes...

and the parable is understood.

 

Yes when I was saved,

I met the Lord;

He filled me with His Holy Spirit;

What’s that?

God the Father/Jesus the Son/The Holy Spirit are the Holy Trinity

Our God in Three Persons…

 

The Holy Spirit is a part of God -Saved is a part of God in you.

A link; to some scriptures speaking of

Filled with the Spirit of God.

 

http://www.christnotes.org/bible.php?q=Filled+Spirit&ver=kjv

 

Once filled with the Holy Spirit,,,

you belong to Christ you are sealed.

Don’t grieve the Holy Spirit of God,

in whom you were sealed for the day

of redemption. (Ephesians 4:30)

 

Consider our bodies as a house or a

vessel we hold within;

things unseen of the spirit world.

We can harbor darkness or light within

our beings.

 

Know God is light Satan is darkness.

Jesus said a house divided amongst itself

will not stand. And that God does not cast

out God nor does Satan cast out Satan.

 

When the Holy Spirit moves inside of

our vessel- our house- our body {meaning

all the same as within side ourselves.

God does Cast Out Satan…

and the Holy Spirit Resides within us.

A part of God within us.

 

You cannot say none have seen Christ.

Many Saved have had the privy of revelation of Jesus.

Its not uncommon.

 

Yes I have seen Jesus and His Holy Spirit.

Through clear eyes, through Visions and,

apparition, Angels and in my brothers and sisters.

I know He Lives... He Lives Within my Heart!

Walking with Christ is whole new world.

 

God Bless*

[lovelorcet]

Can you find LOVE with rational and intelligent? so you are saying "people don't need love?"

 

I have said it before and I will say it again, love (between a man and a woman, as there is more than 1 kind of love) is nothing more than a biochemical program set up to bond two people together to allow for the care-taking of their progeny.

 

Love between a family help people to work together and take care or each other as they are all carrying at some level similar genetic material.

 

So yes, I would argue that love can be determined and described scientifically.

[Love Hurts]

And, since Jesus is a live and I assume in Heaven--where is Heaven, exactly?

 

There are Three Heavens...

You have read so many scriptures that make mention of the Third Heaven so you know it does exist...

 

I'll list a few.

2 Corinthians 12:2 I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the *third heaven.

 

Revelation 8:10

And the *third angel sounded, and there fell a great star from heaven, burning as it were a lamp, and it fell upon the third part of the rivers, and upon the fountains of waters;

 

Revelation 12:4

And his tail drew the *third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

 

Revelation 21:1

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the *first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

WE HAVE MENTION OF THE FIRST AND THIRD HEAVEN...

THE *FIRST HEAVEN IS MADE OF THE:

 

ATMOSPHERE

TROPOSPHERE

STRATOSPHERE

MESOSPHERE

IONOSPHERE

EXOSPHERE

 

FROM THE EARTH UP TO APPROX. 600 MILES IN SPACE

FROM THERE UP ANOTHER APPROX. 600 MILES IN SPACE UPWARDS

QUASARS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED 80 - 85 MILLION LIGHT YEARS FROM EARTH

 

<6 TRILLION MILES IS THE DISTANCE OF A LIGHT YEAR>

APPROX... DISTANCE IS 185 TRILLION BILLIIN MILES...AT IS 95% TO THE END OF THE SECOND HEAVEN...

THE END OF THE COSMOS...

THE HUBBLE HAS A LENSE TO SEE THAT FAR...IT IS SHORT ONLY

5% OF SIGHT TO SEE THE GATES OF HEAVEN INTO THE

*THIRD HEAVEN... (Kinda like the Tower of Babble)

Talk about no generation will have known and seen as much... we are it.

If we have too much more time here... We will watch what goes on the Third Heaven...

(Just as the tower of Babble not permissible)

_______________________________________________________________

HELL ...begins with Hades... in Hades there is a comfort side

Paradise... together in one place...separated...

As explained in the story of the Rich man in Hell and Lazarus in Paradise.

 

Luke 16: 23 And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. 24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

 

Since the Cross...

Ephesians 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led *Captivity *Captive, and gave gifts unto men.

 

9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?

Sacrifice of blood and bulls is no atonement for sin...it only covered sin.

 

Hebrews 10:4

For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.

 

After the Cross.

Those that Loved God waited on Jesus… He took the souls of Paradise to the Third Heaven.... rendering the comfort side of Hades the Paradise side

*Closed... Paradise is now in the *Third Heaven.... Jesus opened the Gate and made it possible...

 

The Hell side of Hades is still open for the business of suffering... It is a holding jail.

Those in Hell now … they too must stand before Christ in the Great White Throne Judgment.

 

Romans 2: 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;

 

6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

THE JUST AND THE UNJUST WILL BE MEASURED BY HIS DEEDS...

EACH WILL RECIEVE HIS REWARD ACCORDINGLY.

 

Matthew11: 23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.

 

24 But I say unto you, That it shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom in the Day of Judgment, than for thee.

 

WHY IS JUDGMENT FOR SODOM MORE TOLERABLE THAN FOR CAPERNAUM?

SODOM WAS BEFORE CHRIST.... THEY HAD NOT HEARD OF HIM....

THERE ARE DIFFERENT DEGREES OF PUNISHMENT, JUST AS REWARDS...

 

FOR EXAMPLE.... SOME LIVE ALL THEIR LIVES WORKING FOR THE LORD; THEY ARE SAVED AND HAVE DENIED THEMSELVES MUCH IN JESUS NAME SAKE.

 

OTHERS MAY FIND JESUS ON THEIR DEATH BED, NEVER HAVING DONE A THING IN THE NAME OF JESUS....

 

SALVATION IS A FREE GIFT FROM GOD. YET THERE ARE CROWNS TO EARN IN JESUS NAME...REWARDS.... THERE WILL BE THOSE WITH NO CROWN TO OFFER UNTO THE LORD.

 

THE FINAL PENITENIARY.... GAHANNA...THE LAKE of Fire or HELL

The Judgment at the Great White Throne

 

11 And I saw a Great White Throne, and Him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

 

12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

 

13 And the sea gave up the dead, which were in it; and DEATH AND HELL DELIVERED UP THE DEAD, which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

 

14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

 

15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

DEATH AS IN ... DEAD- WITHOUT CHRIST.... THESE IN HELL (HADES) are brought up from Hades to stand before the Great White Throne of Judgment… to be judged and sentenced to what level of degree of punishment for all eternity.. After Judgment they are sent back to the eternal prison Hell (or Gahanna)... where each individual will serve out his or her degree of punishment for all eternity...

 

Again second death up from Hell judged back down to the pit- second death... die twice.

 

 

Satan was probably sick the Day Christ Died on the Cross. Up until that time.

Satan held partial captivity over the righteous in the Paradise side of Hades.

They would never leave there; there was no life beyond that place.

And they could look across the void and witness the suffering of others.

 

Christ made all things new and set Captivity Captive Free.

Those Saints of old looked forward to the Cross;

as we today look back on it.

 

God Bless*

[Love Hurts]

And, since Jesus is a live and I assume in Heaven--where is Heaven, exactly? Jesus is there in a physical body, is he not? It is obviously not in our solar system, so how do you get there when you die?

After the Cross Jesus Appears to His Disciples and did eat...

 

Luke 24:

 

Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?

 

39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

 

40 And when he had thus spoken, he shewed them his hands and his feet.

 

41 And while they yet believed not for joy, and wondered, he said unto them, Have ye here any meat?

 

42 And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.

 

43 And he took it, and did eat before them.

 

Ghosts do not eat and leave crumbs behind.

Jesus showed His body; that does hunger food.

 

We too one day shall have a new Glorified Body …

Philippians 3:21 Who shall.... change our.. vile... body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

 

God Bless*

[Love Hurts]

[Originally Posted by Moai It is obviously not in our solar system, so how do you get there when you die?]

 

This verse lets us know we are living in a body.

When the body dies our souls go to be with the Lord.

Belonging to Christ upon death your spirit ascends to the Third Heaven where Christ rules and reigns.

 

We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 2 Corinthians 5:8

 

If not of Christs upon death the soul will descend to the

Depths of the earth into Hades... To meet the god one did worship in this lifes walk.

[lonelybird]

I have said it before and I will say it again, love (between a man and a woman, as there is more than 1 kind of love) is nothing more than a biochemical program set up to bond two people together to allow for the care-taking of their progeny.

 

Love between a family help people to work together and take care or each other as they are all carrying at some level similar genetic material.

 

So yes, I would argue that love can be determined and described scientifically.

you are funny, just want to laugh

okay, what about people who donate money for needy people, they never meet, what are your scientifical explanation?

[lovelorcet]

Revelation 21:1

And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the *first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

WE HAVE MENTION OF THE FIRST AND THIRD HEAVEN...

THE *FIRST HEAVEN IS MADE OF THE:

 

ATMOSPHERE

TROPOSPHERE

STRATOSPHERE

MESOSPHERE

IONOSPHERE

EXOSPHERE

 

FROM THE EARTH UP TO APPROX. 600 MILES IN SPACE

FROM THERE UP ANOTHER APPROX. 600 MILES IN SPACE UPWARDS

QUASARS HAVE BEEN DISCOVERED 80 - 85 MILLION LIGHT YEARS FROM EARTH

 

<6 TRILLION MILES IS THE DISTANCE OF A LIGHT YEAR>

APPROX... DISTANCE IS 185 TRILLION BILLIIN MILES...AT IS 95% TO THE END OF THE SECOND HEAVEN...

THE END OF THE COSMOS...

THE HUBBLE HAS A LENSE TO SEE THAT FAR...IT IS SHORT ONLY

5% OF SIGHT TO SEE THE GATES OF HEAVEN INTO THE

*THIRD HEAVEN... (Kinda like the Tower of Babble)

Talk about no generation will have known and seen as much... we are it.

If we have too much more time here... We will watch what goes on the Third Heaven...

(Just as the tower of Babble not permissible)

_______________________________________________________________

HELL ...begins with Hades... in Hades there is a comfort side

Paradise... together in one place...separated...

As explained in the story of the Rich man in Hell and Lazarus in Paradise.

 

 

That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Seriously, I do not know wether to laugh or to be seriously concerned for your mental well being.

 

Love_Hurts I hope you realize the more you rant here the more you convince poeple that what you say is just nonsense.

[TheDC]

This is where Faith comes in. How much Faith is needed? Not the magnitude of an ocean but the size of a grain of a mustard seed.

Faith that He does exist that Jesus did indeed die on the Cross His blood shed… that who so ever believeth in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life.

 

You see and this is where the whole thing falls apart. The rest is just gibberish. No empirical evidence no logical conclusions. This is why they call it "blind faith" because it ignores the main fact that the rest is just superstitious nonsense.

 

It amuses me that people of faith claim that god gave us free will and intelligence yet they adamantly refuse to apply even the smallest ounce of critical thought and logic to the issue.

 

That would have to be the greatest irony of all, that the ones who truly believe and claim that free will was divinely granted don't use it and those that do know it's all just superstition.

[blind_otter]

You see and this is where the whole thing falls apart. The rest is just gibberish. No empirical evidence no logical conclusions. This is why they call it "blind faith" because it ignores the main fact that the rest is just superstitious nonsense.

 

It amuses me that people of faith claim that god gave us free will and intelligence yet they adamantly refuse to apply even the smallest ounce of critical thought and logic to the issue.

 

That would have to be the greatest irony of all, that the ones who truly believe and claim that free will was divinely granted don't use it and those that do know it's all just superstition.

 

If it brings comfort to those in need of such things, why is religion such a bad thing? Must we all view the world through the same eyes? Can't we accept there are different ways to take in the world around us? Some of us see and accept divinity in everything. Others don't see the divine in anything.

 

It's strange. Almost like atheists who proselytize.

[lovelorcet]

you are funny, just want to laugh

okay, what about people who donate money for needy people, they never meet, what are your scientifical explanation?

 

 

Being a generous or charitable has personal, psychological and societal benefits. People who are able to intergtrate into a society and are favorably looked upon have benefits.

 

Our brain rewards us with a shot of dopamine when we do certain things which are "good" and that feels good.

[lovelorcet]

If it brings comfort to those in need of such things, why is religion such a bad thing? Must we all view the world through the same eyes? Can't we accept there are different ways to take in the world around us? Some of us see and accept divinity in everything. Others don't see the divine in anything.

 

It's strange. Almost like atheists who proselytize.

 

 

There are defiantly a few aspect of religion which are beneficial but there are a whole lot more which are destructive.

 

I am of the opinion that the good does not out weigh the bad as I look at the present and the future.

[lovelorcet]

That would have to be the greatest irony of all, that the ones who truly believe and claim that free will was divinely granted don't use it and those that do know it's all just superstition.

 

 

Somehow I really think there is a lot of truth in that...

[TheDC]

If it brings comfort to those in need of such things, why is religion such a bad thing? Must we all view the world through the same eyes? Can't we accept there are different ways to take in the world around us? Some of us see and accept divinity in everything. Others don't see the divine in anything.

 

It's strange. Almost like atheists who proselytize.

 

Yes it is a bad thing. It is a form of self delusion, faith is a form of non-thinking it isn't a way of understanding the world it stands in fundamental opposition to modernity, the scientific method and rationalism it is divisive and dangerous.

 

Secular humanism is the only, I repeat ONLY, salvation for humanity and the faster we put all of these silly superstitions behind us the better off we will be. Until then we will be shackled with these stone age beliefs whose time has certainly passed.

 

We lock people up in mental asylums for being delusional yet people who have blind faith are allowed to run about free and are accorded special status because of their particular delusion. When you say that you see divinity around you this is a form of delusion it is as defined in the dictionary a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.

 

I especially like the American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary definition "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness".

[Love Hurts]

That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Seriously, I do not know wether to laugh or to be seriously concerned for your mental well being.

 

Love_Hurts I hope you realize the more you rant here the more you convince poeple that what you say is just nonsense.

 

 

Scripture tells of a Third Heaven… You disclaim the Bible.. your problemo

As for science you should know of the Hubbles view range so what your big beef here?

 

Tear it appart ... I dare you.

[blind_otter]

We lock people up in mental asylums for being delusional yet people who have blind faith are allowed to run about free and are accorded special status because of their particular delusion. When you say that you see divinity around you this is a form of delusion it is as defined in the dictionary a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.

 

Please explain this. Because I have worked with the SPMI population in a forensic mental facility, I distinguish between the two types of delusion rather strongly. Seems to me you don't even understand what I mean when I say I see divinity all around me. I see it in the face of children. In the acts of goodwill towards other people. I see it when strangers reach out to each other out of no other motivation than the desire to connect to someone else.

 

That is divinity and God, to me. Call me delusional if you want, but I see no difference in your post from the dogmatic thinking which you purport to reject.

[lovelorcet]

Yes it is a bad thing. It is a form of self delusion, faith is a form of non-thinking it isn't a way of understanding the world it stands in fundamental opposition to modernity, the scientific method and rationalism it is divisive and dangerous.

 

Secular humanism is the only, I repeat ONLY, salvation for humanity and the faster we put all of these silly superstitions behind us the better off we will be. Until then we will be shackled with these stone age beliefs whose time has certainly passed.

 

We lock people up in mental asylums for being delusional yet people who have blind faith are allowed to run about free and are accorded special status because of their particular delusion. When you say that you see divinity around you this is a form of delusion it is as defined in the dictionary a fixed false belief that is resistant to reason or confrontation with actual fact.

 

I especially like the American Heritage® Stedman's Medical Dictionary definition "A false belief strongly held in spite of invalidating evidence, especially as a symptom of mental illness".

 

People of faith do not want to listen to this... A lot of times these are people who are missing things in their life and they cling to their faith because it makes them feel like something special. And because they feel special they are not willing to look at the world around them and really see how destructive this type of behavior really is.

[blind_otter]

People of faith do not want to listen to this... A lot of times these are people who are missing things in their life and they cling to their faith because it makes them feel like something special. And because they feel special they are not willing to look at the world around them and really see how destructive this type of behavior really is.

 

No sir, my faith doesn't make me feel special. But it makes me feel better and more able to handle life if I feel like it has some meaning.

 

I didn't really have an awakening of faith until I lost my father to lung cancer last october. It hurt so badly to lose the one source of unconditional love in my life that I turned to God.

 

And I don't see why that is a bad thing.

[lovelorcet]

Scripture tells of a Third Heaven… You disclaim the Bible.. your problemo

As for science you should know of the Hubbles view range so what your big beef here?

 

Tear it appart ... I dare you.

 

I am a scientist, or better said I am a molecular and cellular biologist and I do not claim to know a lot about astrophysics.

 

I am not even really sure what I am suppose to tear apart? Are you claiming that we can or can not see heaven using the Hubble telescope?

 

Either way the idea is preposterous...

[lovelorcet]

No sir, my faith doesn't make me feel special. But it makes me feel better and more able to handle life if I feel like it has some meaning.

 

I didn't really have an awakening of faith until I lost my father to lung cancer last october. It hurt so badly to lose the one source of unconditional love in my life that I turned to God.

 

And I don't see why that is a bad thing.

 

I am very sorry for your loss and I by no means want to hurt your feelings with my following view point. Before I state it I just want to say that if this was something that helped you that I truly am happy for you. My comments are directed at society as a whole not one individuals suffering.

 

You lost your one source of unconditional love... Isn't it human nature to fill a void when we feel one? So you found something to fill that void for you that you deem as not being unhealthy and something that no one can take away from you.

[Love Hurts]

I'll get you started...

 

2 Corinthians 12:2

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN.

[Love Hurts]

I am a scientist, or better said I am a molecular and cellular biologist and I do not claim to know a lot about astrophysics.

 

I am not even really sure what I am suppose to tear apart? Are you claiming that we can or can not see heaven using the Hubble telescope?

 

Either way the idea is preposterous...

 

YOU QUOTED..

 

"That has to be one of the stupidest things I have ever heard. Seriously, I do not know wether to laugh or to be seriously concerned for your mental well being.

Love_Hurts I hope you realize the more you rant here the more you convince poeple that what you say is just nonsense."

 

 

NOW BREAK IT DOWN AND TELL ME WHY? IF IM WRONG YOU CORRECT ME. OR SHOW ME MY ERROR... BUT DONT ACCUSE AND RUN.

[lovelorcet]

I'll get you started...

 

2 Corinthians 12:2

I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth such an one caught up to the THIRD HEAVEN.

 

 

Once again you are speaking gibberish and nonsense...

 

Please refer to the question in post #169

 

Your citations from the bible carry no weight and it is becoming obvious that you are not capable of any type of intelligent discussion as your only means are to throwing quotes.

 

Have you ever truly learned to think for yourself? This is something that one has to put a little bit of effort into...

[Love Hurts]

Once again you are speaking gibberish and nonsense...

 

Please refer to the question in post #169

 

Your citations from the bible carry no weight and it is becoming obvious that you are not capable of any type of intelligent discussion as your only means are to throwing quotes.

 

Have you ever truly learned to think for yourself? This is something that one has to put a little bit of effort into...

 

Ok loveret so again since its based on Bible and science its useless.

We must discount the Bible… well this is foolish to you. Because of ;scripture ....at least I know where your coming from..

 

Thank You... I lappreciate understanding.

[lovelorcet]

Love_Hurts please reread some of your last posts, they are not even coherent... If I didn't know any better I would say you are drunk.