Men don't need marriage!

[alphamale]

I guess this is somewhat true but that is not a sign of a strong and healthy economy and not the sign of a strong and healthy society. America right now is at one of it's weakest points ever.

show me where i used word "healthy"?? I said divorce is good for the economy.

[americat]

two cars.. two houses ..

Consumerism is great for companies and many professionals for a good period of time. Will it last?What about when we are purchasing most of our goods from foreign countries?

When's the last time I bought a shirt that said "made in the usa"? Maybe in the early 90s If I can recall one. Our cars? Our banks are even hiring customer service out who can barely speak a word of English. I was trying to get help from a DELL (an american company?) technician and this woman with a heavy accent was giving the me the run-around and just mostly silence because she either couldn't speak much english or didn't know what on earth she was doing! "yah" .. silence.. "lets see here" silence for 2 minutes.. "oh i see".. silence for 30 seconds... "oh i see" silence another 2 minutes "uh huh" silence another 30 seconds... I wasn't saying anything during that time but trying to give my code number on my computer.. I eventually gave up and hung up. Some say trade defecit is a good thing? Outsourcing good too? I guess it is keeping our costs for goods and services down? And yet we can't save a dime of our "disposable" income anymore.. won't this rabid consumerism eventually do us in? We are in so much debt, I worry what people are going to do when this house of cards unfolds. All it takes are some good lay-offs and we are in trouble. But I guess they will do a hocus pocus with the interest rates again to prolong the inevitable.. get us into more debt so we have to worry about paying it off for the rest of our lives and I hear the new bankruptcy laws are not so good for the common folk and might just make that happen.

Not to mention the spending going on federal-wise. WTF! It's scary when you realize how much LESS your dollar is worth today than it was when 5-7 years ago. And we can afford billions to send out of the country and we still have homeless veterans??? That's unreal.

[Woggle]

The priorities of this country are so ass backwards all you can do is cry. The other thing is that people keep thinking that voting republican will bring back values when it was Reaganomics that helped destroy the middle class family and the working class and that trend has been continued with Bush. The socialist new deal policies were great for the American family.

[alphamale]

.. I eventually gave up and hung up.

that's the point. good customer svc costs a lot of money.

[Mary3]

The divorce rate is currently running 65-75 % in the first 5 years of a new marraige.

 

Why such a high divorce rate ?

 

Because women are capable of working and carrying on w/o the husband as opposed to the 1950-60's when many women stayed home and held on to dead marraiges out of fear or necessity.

 

Why so many marraiges. ?

 

Not much different than in the 50's when young couples wanted the house and picket fence and 3 babies . But the biggest difference is that women play a larger role in the employment field now

[Gunny376]

The divorce rate is currently running 65-75 % in the first 5 years of a new marraige.

 

Why such a high divorce rate ?

 

Because women are capable of working and carrying on w/o the husband as opposed to the 1950-60's when many women stayed home and held on to dead marraiges out of fear or necessity.

 

Why so many marraiges. ?

 

Not much different than in the 50's when young couples wanted the house and picket fence and 3 babies . But the biggest difference is that women play a larger role in the employment field now

 

 

No thanks to the liberal judges who azz-rape men that have to give up 25 to 50% of their before-tax income, and tax deductions ~ I'm sure! "Mama plays~ Daddy pays!

 

You can talk all this smack, but the plain and simple truth of the matter is all the majority of women have got to bring to the table is sex, a car-load of children by another man, a drawer full of bills, and a $6.50 an hour job working down at WalMart!

 

The reason that 51% of all American women aren't married isn't because women are wising up ~ but because men are!

[alphamale]

You can talk all this smack,

.....agreed GUNNEY

[Mary3]

No thanks to the liberal judges who azz-rape men that have to give up 25 to 50% of their before-tax income, and tax deductions ~ I'm sure! "Mama plays~ Daddy pays!

 

You can talk all this smack, but the plain and simple truth of the matter is all the majority of women have got to bring to the table is sex, a car-load of children by another man, a drawer full of bills, and a $6.50 an hour job working down at WalMart!

 

The reason that 51% of all American women aren't married isn't because women are wising up ~ but because men are!

 

Woooooooo ....well that would not include me...I make near 40 K a year , great sex ( with myself or partner ) no kids by another man , bills I pay completely ALONE , a brand new home I qualified for completely ALONE and now live in completely furnished with furniture I bought ALONE and all the trimmings.. . hrmm....your analogy does not fit all....I should also add I am no Gold Digger . I dug my own place in life and don't need a sugar daddy although I have friends that go after the wallet

 

Marraige is Bunk for me . Who needs it ? I don't . If you want to have a partner why marry him ?

[alphamale]

Marraige is Bunk for me .

I wish there were more girls like you M3

[Mary3]

I wish there were more girls like you M3

 

Alpha you should come over and see my place * wink *

[Very_Confused]

No thanks to the liberal judges who azz-rape men that have to give up 25 to 50% of their before-tax income, and tax deductions ~ I'm sure! "Mama plays~ Daddy pays!

 

You can talk all this smack, but the plain and simple truth of the matter is all the majority of women have got to bring to the table is sex, a car-load of children by another man, a drawer full of bills, and a $6.50 an hour job working down at WalMart!

 

The reason that 51% of all American women aren't married isn't because women are wising up ~ but because men are!

 

This viewpoint is quite surprising, coming from you Gunny. Believe it or not, there are more women out there than you think that bring a whole helluva lot more to the table than sex, another man's children, bills, and a low-income job.

 

I have worked since I was old enough to get a job. I bought my first car with tips I earned at a summer job waitressing at a pizza parlor. I had immaculate credit and could get anything I wanted when I married my husband. I had already bought my own house and furnished it. I worked two jobs when it was necessary to provide for myself and my children (first hubby didn't even pay CS for quite a long time). My husband didn't even have a single piece of furniture when we married so obviously I wasn't after his money or his worldly possessions.

 

My husband and I may not get along these days worth a darn but I do not stay with him because I need his income, his help with the children, or anything else of that nature. I have always been independent and self-sufficient and need no man to take care of me or my children. He and I are still together because I happen to love him. It really can be that simple.

[Woggle]

This is why I think it is better for a man to marry a more independent woman that can take care of herself. Many men are intimidated by this but with a woman like that you know why she is there. Plus they are more understanding if you have to work late and you have career obligations.

[alphamale]

This is why I think it is better for a man to marry a more independent woman that can take care of herself. Many men are intimidated by this but with a woman like that you know why she is there. Plus they are more understanding if you have to work late and you have career obligations.

I would agree with that...at least these women aren't leeches.

[a4a]

This viewpoint is quite surprising, coming from you Gunny. Believe it or not, there are more women out there than you think that bring a whole helluva lot more to the table than sex, another man's children, bills, and a low-income job.

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Gunny is just C&Ping for a rise........ Gunny needs to be more stealth like with this posting tatic..... thinks he is sneaky with his womenhater.com post.

[Very_Confused]

Gunny is just C&Ping for a rise........ Gunny needs to be more stealth like with this posting tatic..... thinks he is sneaky with his womenhater.com post.

 

I wondered. I started reading and had to look again to see who had made that post, thinking I read the name wrong. I love reading Gunny's posts but that one surprised me.

[Mary3]

I should also add that I work a second job . Its more a part time basis , some weeks busy , some not.

 

My first job was when I was 9 and babysat a 2 and a 5 year old so I have worked most of my life.

 

I think REAL men are not intimidated and want a women who has her * sh** * together .

 

How many men would agree that they were prefer a self sufficient woman ?

[Gunny376]

How many men would agree that they were prefer a self sufficient woman ?

:love: :love:

 

Woooooooo ....well that would not include me...I make near 40 K a year , great sex ( with myself or partner ) no kids by another man , bills I pay completely ALONE , a brand new home I qualified for completely ALONE and now live in completely furnished with furniture I bought ALONE and all the trimmings.. . hrmm....your analogy does not fit all....I should also add I am no Gold Digger . I dug my own place in life and don't need a sugar daddy although I have friends that go after the wallet

 

Marraige is Bunk for me . Who needs it ? I don't . If you want to have a partner why marry him ?

 

But there are a lot of women out there that do marry because of the man's potential for incomce ~ looking for a meal ticket, looking for a payday ~ some even because of heatlh insurance. Just like there are a lot of men that marry for idiotic reasons.

 

The turth of the matter is that a hundred years ago and before, most families made their living on the family farm, growing what they needed to survived, sellingi the surplus for what they couldn't make of get on their own.

 

At this same time ~ women couldn't vote, and judges for the most part are elected. Most women were very limited in finding employment outside the home ~ and what few jobs there were paid very little. Most couples had large families to help out on the farm. Since there wasn't any social security ~ nursing homes, etc ~ this was also a form of ~ well social security. As a result along with very strong religious convictions ~ most couples stayed together, and divorce was socially frowned upon.

 

Fathers were asked for permisson to let their daughters marry, because men had automatic rights to everything ~ got everything in the event of a divorce. to include the children, but if he didn't want them ~ it was the father that the wife and children returned to, and was up to them to raise, clothe and feed.

 

Un-questionalbly this was un-fair ~ and with the right to vote, and the womnen's rights movement the penduliumn began to swing in the oppossite direction ~ too far in some instances.

 

It use to be damn near impossible to convict a man of rape ~ or sexual molestion ~ now for a woman to ruin a man she but needs to open her mouth. And at least initially, he's guilty until proven innoncent.

 

My beef isn't with anyone women in particular ~ un-questionably there are moral, ethical, independent, self supporting women. A couple I've known sicne HS, been married for 30 years got divorce. Kathy told him ~ All I want is for you to build me a house ~ and you can keep the one from the marriage and everything in it. And, he did ~ about 300 yards down the road (they live in the country).

 

My beef is with the "system" The whole legal, social-economic, consumer-finance industry, cultural system which is counter productive to marriage ~ unless you're aware and conscious of it! Far too many ~ aren't.

 

My daughter is 26 and I have relentlessly pounded it over and over since she could walk and talk that she needs to position herself in life to where she doesn't need a man to support her and her children.

 

I agree with Moose ~ men get hammered in divorce court because they ~ not their wives are their own worse enemies!

 

Who you choose as a mate ~ has the potential to be one of the best or worse decisions one can possibly make. Thus it is best to choose wisely and to take your time in doing so.

 

americat~

 

Youth does factor in the equation significantly. The divorce rate for men that marry under the age of 25 is 90%!

 

The divorce rate for men that marry because they got the girl pregno? 90%!

 

The divorce rate for women with advanced degrees (masters and above) is the same as women who dropped out of high school.

 

(Source: Nexus Database)

[Ripples]

I have to admit to being one of those women that wanted marriage for security - financial and emotional.* The weird thing is as soon as I finally bought my own place (with my own earnings - ok, the bank gave me a mortgage for most of it ) I suddenly didn't need the emotional security I'd at one time been searching for. I'd been told countless times that I had to give myself what I needed, first. But it wasn't until I finally did it that I realised just how important that was. I no longer feel that pressing need for marriage and no longer feel that it's necessarily a good thing where children aren't involved.

 

Anyway, I don't really understand the significance of that finally statistic " The divorce rate for women with advanced degrees (masters and above) is the same as women who dropped out of high school." What am I being blonde about?

 

*NB: I got divorced and my ex husband got everything. I walked away with only the things I'd bought into the marriage. I was fine with that.

[Pyro]

I think REAL men are not intimidated and want a women who has her * sh** * together .

 

How many men would agree that they were prefer a self sufficient woman ?

 

Agreed.

 

I can't think of a reason why I would want a woman who has to rely on me, in fact why would any guy want that type of woman?

[alphamale]

I got divorced and my ex husband got everything. I walked away with only the things I'd bought into the marriage.

what was that RIPPLEZ? 50 pair of shoes and some sexy underwear?

[Guest]

When I married my first husband, I had a job, money in the bank, furniture and a car. When I divorced 7 years later I had two kids and the clothes on my (and their) backs.

 

I was a single mom for 12 years. During that time I bought 2 houses on my own. I've been married to my 2nd husband for 18 years. The entire time we've been married I have worked at a higher paying job than my husband's. We have purchased two homes using only my income as collateral. We are now getting ready to sell our view home to downsize and prepare for retirement.

 

No one who gets married should get married for financial security. It implies that your are using your partner.

[Mary3]

In the last 100 hundred years something else happened in our world.

 

The Welfare System and Section 8 housing .

 

In that low income families got alot of what working individuals receive going to work everyday.....

 

Pop out 2 , 3 , 4 kids and receive even more. Rewarded for populating the earth.

 

I knew a girl who had 3 kids and she received $ 900 a month in food stamps , Section 8 housing ( payed like $ 40 a month for her 3 bedroom apartment ) and had healthcare , and received welfare money on top of that. She said it was too hard to walk away from all the *freebies*. She was fully capable of working but chose to ride the gravy train. The Train we all pay for everyday.

 

So when Gunny talks about women who totally *depend* on a man he forgot to mention the Welfare System~ and how thats a totally different kind of dependance for some people.

 

I should add there are people on Government Assistance that need it for various reasons but alot just *abuse* the System . Just as some people/ Male or Female Gold Diggers ( yes I know a male gold digger ) go after the Bank Accounts of the vulnerable .

[alphamale]

Pop out 2 , 3 , 4 kids and receive even more. .

thats nothing M3...try 5, 6, 7 or 8 kids...

[Gunny376]

In the last 100 hundred years something else happened in our world.

 

The Welfare System and Section 8 housing .

 

In that low income families got alot of what working individuals receive going to work everyday.....

 

Pop out 2 , 3 , 4 kids and receive even more. Rewarded for populating the earth.

 

I knew a girl who had 3 kids and she received $ 900 a month in food stamps , Section 8 housing ( payed like $ 40 a month for her 3 bedroom apartment ) and had healthcare , and received welfare money on top of that. She said it was too hard to walk away from all the *freebies*. She was fully capable of working but chose to ride the gravy train. The Train we all pay for everyday.

 

So when Gunny talks about women who totally *depend* on a man he forgot to mention the Welfare System~ and how thats a totally different kind of dependance for some people.

 

I should add there are people on Government Assistance that need it for various reasons but alot just *abuse* the System . Just as some people/ Male or Female Gold Diggers ( yes I know a male gold digger ) go after the Bank Accounts of the vulnerable .

 

We're more alike ~ than dis-alike Mary!

[Woggle]

People who abuse the system give a bad name to those who use it to pull themselves up. I lived in public housing and got government grants to attend school but I saw it as a chance to make something of myself and not a way of life. Too many people have a lifetime dependency on the government.