Road Rage Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 OK Christians, what is the teaching concerning sex according to jesus Christ? When is sex permitted and when is it prohibited? On the surface an easy question. I always thought that Christian teaching allowed sex only within marriage. But by today`s standards I am having a difficult time determining when someone can claim to be a Christian. I mean, you do have to follow the gospel of Christ to be a Christian don`t you? Reading my Bible does indeed tend to confrim that sex outside marriage is not Christ. How is this reconciled? Is Christ mistaken or is it just me? When sex is not permitted according to Christ, is it a sin? What is the price of this sin if it is considered that? Is there anyone out there having sex outside of marriage but also profess to be Christian? If so, come foward and speak. Enquiring minds want to know what it takes to follow Christ. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 according to Catholic teaching, sex is God's gift to a married couple, a beautiful act that results in procreation as well as develops a strong and unique bond between the couple. Outside the parameters of marriage it's a sin. this is the ideal taught as part of our catechism. However, when reality enters the picture ... well, let's just say that many of us give in to that sin of pre-marital sex. It doesn't make us any less Christian, just ones who are not in a state of grace because of our decision to be sexually active outside the state of marriage. Still, that decision can be a one-time thing or it can be a constant thing – you have control over your body and can say "no" at anytime just like you can say "yes." I mean, you do have to follow the Gospel of Christ to be a Christian don`t you? Reading my Bible does indeed tend to confrim that sex outside marriage is not Christ. yes, but there is also room for forgiveness and reconciliation with Christ when we err in our sinfulness. Because above all else, Christ commands us to love God, and to love one another as he loves us. Going back to ideal situations, we would avoid sin each and every time, but God knows our hearts and that we are susceptible to sin because of our human nature, and he forgives when we are truly repentent. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Road Rage Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 What is the price of this sin should I reject forgiveness? Link to post Share on other sites
Author Road Rage Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 Nope, not getting out of this one easy. Can any Christians answer the question? Or are you ashamed of Jesus Christ? Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 what is the price of this sin? interrupted relationship with God, just like any other sin. Until you reconcile (i.e., turn away from sin and turn back to God), that spiritual relationship is affected. physical ramifications of sleeping around? pregnancy out of wedlock, acquiring STD's ... Link to post Share on other sites
Author Road Rage Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 quankanne Thanks for your answers. These things I ponder still. I am beginning to wonder if anyone really believes traditional Christian teaching anymore. It seems like it has become christianity lite:confused: I am still troubled by it all because I come from a background where the real deal was taught yet in my lifetime the sexual part has been the real challange with lingering guilt that won`t go away. I sometimes wonder if others even have been taught the same tenants of Christianity. Mainly, that there is eternal punishment for sin. It seems this is ignored but hard to escape. Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I'm sure they have been taught, but the teach has differed through the ages. For example, in my parents' generation, girls didn't experiment sexually, and if they did, they were labeled tramps. Now it's not such an uncommon thing to find women with a bit of sexual experience – including same sex experience! we are the result of a more open society that says to be true to yourself, you've got to enlighten yourself about things, that anything goes because you are searching for that enlightenment. Whereas my mother's generation drew a strict line between good and bad behavior. There's no real defined boundaries for personal sin when everything is acceptable in our society. at some point, though, you go back to what you learned as a child and you decide whether you want to embrace those values or those that you've forged for yourself. Most of us have a mix of old and new. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Road Rage Posted February 22, 2007 Author Share Posted February 22, 2007 To me, the olds ways are better but every way has it`s problems. I just think that at this point mainly younger people, and women in particular, seem in a moral fog. To which they get taken advantage of. The old creed had a strong basis in wisdom and growth. But, it was difficult to really live and created a fair share of guilt. Once you got that old time religion it never lets you go. Link to post Share on other sites
Love Hurts Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 OK Christians, what is the teaching concerning sex according to jesus Christ? When is sex permitted and when is it prohibited? On the surface an easy question. I always thought that Christian teaching allowed sex only within marriage. But by today`s standards I am having a difficult time determining when someone can claim to be a Christian. I mean, you do have to follow the gospel of Christ to be a Christian don`t you? Reading my Bible does indeed tend to confrim that sex outside marriage is not Christ. How is this reconciled? Is Christ mistaken or is it just me? When sex is not permitted according to Christ, is it a sin? What is the price of this sin if it is considered that? Is there anyone out there having sex outside of marriage but also profess to be Christian? If so, come foward and speak. Enquiring minds want to know what it takes to follow Christ. Many in Christ have fallen into sexually sin. The difference in the sin of the saved and the unsaved is unseen by men but seen by Gods eyes as he looks into a mans heart. I want to resend the same post that was sent into another thread on sin… and how man sees it as to how God sees it. Once saved… Salvations being true … as not a mental assent to Jesus. Change... you will desire nothing but; to change and you will strive to change. Upon Salvation many are instantaneously freed from bondage of all types; physically, mentally and spiritually destructive habits or bondages. Jesus calls us, as we are to come to Him if we had to clean ourselves up first and present ourselves and righteously worthy … we couldn’t… None are righteous… As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one: Romans 3:10 Still Jesus died for us… claiming we are worthy. Yes as believers: we are role models… The Bible reaffirms we are role models living in flesh and blood bodies. Capable of error. Lets look at David that slew Galiothe and grew to be a king. A youth … to a man in Gods favor. Yet he did sin... he had sexual relations with a another mans wife. She became pregnant. He tried to hide it… by having her own husband sleep with her to create the allusion it was his (the husbands)child. When that didn’t work.. David had him killed. Do you see my friend… this shows us… human error… because we are of Gods and still capable of sin… Being Gods child we are chastised Hebrews 12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons. David was chastised. David grieved deeply; he knew his sins… He went on to grieve through many Psalms … We strive … we fall short and grieve… we strive again. What marriage is perfect? What man is perfect? Who is righteous? None… Why are we shown the failures of men in the Bible as well? To let us know... we too will and can fail God. We are human. _______________________ God knows a mans heart... In the end...Its not what the world calls us... it what Jesus calls us. If you seek perfection...find Christ. Link to post Share on other sites
Love Hurts Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 To go on RoadRage, Men look for failure; in those that profess Christ Salvation. They will find; what they are searching for. The unsaved can’t see or understand is repentance of a grievous heart; can’t see a Christians broken relationship with Christ… Unsaved men without Christ in their hearts; cannot know what its like; to see gray skies on a clear sunny day; to have a hollow spot in the heart that nothing on earth could fill; to seek God and He seems distant, His back seems to be turned and He seems to have walked away. Unsaved can't know… grief of loss, shame and seeming abandonment of God… when a saved man falls into sin and leaves Jesus? Unsaved can't know what a grievous heart in the Lord feels? This is a relationship of the heart… with the True Living God. To fail Him or deny Him…oh one knows it… joy is lost. Sorrow and sadness set in. Life seems not worth the living. And in time... after many tears; Jesus seems to say enough and you begin to rise again. There are punishments on earth we must endure for our walking out of the word of Jesus. We pay in many ways. For the wages of sin is death. Here on earth and on the other side of this life we know. Repentance renders forgiveness, and one day all is well, you have survived and God does restore a heart to a full place of Joy... and you so know you do not want to go there again. You do not want to abandon the love of Jesus; for self or what the world offers. Once saved; we are betrothed to Jesus; when we set out to cheat Him… we only cheat ourselves. It’s a relationship with the True Living God… the unsaved can’t even imagine. The world can see our faults and failures. ________________________ Jesus sees and knows a mans heart. I do so hope this helps to show, the diff in a heart that repents, and one that continues on in sin with no remorse. God Bless* Link to post Share on other sites
Author Road Rage Posted February 23, 2007 Author Share Posted February 23, 2007 Love Hurts Does this mean that once I accept Christ I can have all the unbridled, no strings attached sex I want because there is a difference in the sin of the saved and the unsaved? If saved I`m forgiven? Link to post Share on other sites
Love Hurts Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 For the wages of sin is death. When we do not listen to the Lord and do things our way we loose… we experience death. For example a young female can become pregnant and her future as bright as she was is lost in fear and wonderment of how will I do this now? For a young man he must work and pay for the child produced out of wedlock and if not the law will put him in jail. He suffers too. They both do. The Lord warns not to or death comes. Death in this case is of youth and the joyous wonderment of any ones young future once filled with promise now suddenly stopped. So there is death of the joys that were and death of the sin in hell for those that do not repent of sin. We can all repent, the Lord tells us to repent, He said none are righteous no not one. (Romans 3:10) Satan the great deceiver will tell us we cannot repent and that we are too sinful for the worthiness of Christ. Jesus will claim us all if we only claim Him first through repentance and claim Him as our Lord of our hearts…. Our Savior. There is only one unforgivable sin in the Lord… Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Take heart, and trust in the Lord, you are worthy of the Lord… He claimed we sinners worthy to die for on the Cross… He did all He can on our behalf. Now all we need do is claim Him as our Savior. No sin is too grave for the Lord… except Matthew 12:31. We are to strive to be Holy as the Lord is Holy. When we follow the Lords will, life is much better and has less cost to pay in the here and now ... as well as in the afterlife. Saved we shall suffer great lose of the rewards the Lord had for us... in the afterlife... we shall also be chastised in this life for disobedience in the Lord... for chastisement here; we can be thankful for. For depravation in Heaven; we can be thankful for. The last consequence of sin ignored... is eternal damnation in Hell. Lets repent and strive to be more like the Lord. God Bless* Link to post Share on other sites
quankanne Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Does this mean that once I accept Christ I can have all the unbridled, no strings attached sex I want because there is a difference in the sin of the saved and the unsaved? If saved I`m forgiven? just because you are saved doesn't mean you aren't a work in progress … because you are aware of sin, you try to avoid occasions of sin, but even that can fail you when you're at your weakest. It's kind of like telling someone you're sorry you hurt them by telling hateful lies about them, and having that person forgive you, even though you know that you're going to go out and willingly lie about them again and again just because that's how you are. Forgiveness comes with reconciliation: part of saying "sorry" for causing that pain means striving to be a better person toward the one you hurt. Otherwise your apology is empty. God sees your heart, and knows if you profess your salvation with your heart or with your mind ... whether you truly want to avoid that occasion of sin or just mouthing the word, "sorry," then going about your merry way in sin, knowing that you're going to be forgiven anyway so it doesn't matter if you sin or not. which brings up an interesting conversation I had today with one of the priests: we were talking about Jesus dying to save us from sin & the thought that, well, we've got to continue sinning so that Jesus isn't denied his role in salvation! It's faulty thinking because there's no real attempt at reconciliation with God when we fail to mend our ways but still want full claim of our salvation. Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 Jesus came for sinners. If you pray for Holy Spirit, He will give you, then you are able to discern what should you do, and what shouldn't you do. If Holy Spirit comes, He will guide you, the bondage and addiction will break. Also Holy Spirit will let us know, what sins we did (by ourselves we cannot do this), then lead to heartly repentance. after this, you will not like the things you like before. you will become a new man Link to post Share on other sites
amerikajin Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 OK Christians, what is the teaching concerning sex according to jesus Christ? When is sex permitted and when is it prohibited? On the surface an easy question. I always thought that Christian teaching allowed sex only within marriage. But by today`s standards I am having a difficult time determining when someone can claim to be a Christian. I mean, you do have to follow the gospel of Christ to be a Christian don`t you? Reading my Bible does indeed tend to confrim that sex outside marriage is not Christ. How is this reconciled? Is Christ mistaken or is it just me? When sex is not permitted according to Christ, is it a sin? What is the price of this sin if it is considered that? Is there anyone out there having sex outside of marriage but also profess to be Christian? If so, come foward and speak. Enquiring minds want to know what it takes to follow Christ. Why do you have to ask others? Read the Bible for yourself and draw your own conclusions. Link to post Share on other sites
Author Road Rage Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 Contrare Amerikajin I am seeking other peoples conclusions. I already know what I percieve. I am curious just what perceptions of Christianity and attitudes towards sex are out there. Link to post Share on other sites
Love Hurts Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 You sound like a sex maniac… you have a demon of lust in you. Lust controls your flesh… it is foremost and present and aftermost; Lust of the flesh. “I pray in Jesus Name to bind the demon of Lust from you … so let what is bound on earth be bound in heaven and what is bound in heaven be bound on earth in Jesus precious Name …Amen. “ Praise Jesus ! God Bless* Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted March 7, 2007 Share Posted March 7, 2007 You sound like a sex maniac… you have a demon of lust in you. Lust controls your flesh… it is foremost and present and aftermost; Lust of the flesh. “I pray in Jesus Name to bind the demon of Lust from you … so let what is bound on earth be bound in heaven and what is bound in heaven be bound on earth in Jesus precious Name …Amen. “ Praise Jesus ! God Bless* This post made me laugh so hard, you are funny, sister Praise Jesus Link to post Share on other sites
Author Road Rage Posted March 7, 2007 Author Share Posted March 7, 2007 People over 50 are really thankful when someone calls them a sex maniac:o Link to post Share on other sites
Love Hurts Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 This post made me laugh so hard, you are funny, sister Praise Jesus I’m glad to hear you got a chuckle out of that Lonelybird, laughter is good for the soul. Road Rage… I’m just trying to help out… I fall short of the Glory of God sometimes.. … I didn’t mean to offend; just give some spiritual help… Prayer is good for all of us. God Bless* Link to post Share on other sites
westernxer Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 Missionary, of course. Link to post Share on other sites
alphamale Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 well if christ died for everyone's sins then no one can really do anything wrong. Link to post Share on other sites
lonelybird Posted March 8, 2007 Share Posted March 8, 2007 well if christ died for everyone's sins then no one can really do anything wrong. WRONG....... Link to post Share on other sites
bluetuesday Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 i'm not a member of a christian church, but i'll have a go. jesus christ, specifically, doesn't condemn sex outside marriage in the bible, but then he doesn't condemn child abuse either so you can't really go on what christ did and didn't say as a guide to what's okay or not. i believe the message of christ regarding sex outside marriage is this: sex is sacred and for your spiriual, mental, emotional and physical wellbeing, it is best kept between two people who are committed to each other and committed to their relationship long term. ideally this would be in a marriage, although a marriage can be a spiritual union, announced privately before god, not just a civil or religious union made legal by going through a traditional wedding ceremony. sex with people you don't want to commit to long term or who you are not in a serious relationship with can have damaging consequences. these damaging consequences arise chiefly from the intent with which sex is undertaken. if the intent is primarily one of gratification of your own body rather than spiritual union with a loved partner, you're having sex for primarily selfish motives and this isn't the highest ideal, spiritually. the damaging consequences i spoke of include, but are not limited to, the karma you create by doing anything from a selfish motive. Link to post Share on other sites
taiko Posted March 9, 2007 Share Posted March 9, 2007 i'm not a member of a christian church, but i'll have a go. , although a marriage can be a spiritual union, announced privately before god, not just a civil or religious union made legal by going through a traditional wedding ceremony. Curious, is this your hope or was it taught or read somewhere by you? I can also see this as being okay if for some reason the civil authority and/or a proclaiming religious authority forbid a license or ceremony. However I think the announcement should also be public even if it has no legal standing by your government. Link to post Share on other sites
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